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Who Can Stop Cork This Year?

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Replying To Viking66:  "Can I get a cup of what you are drinking today?"
With or without sugar mo cara.?

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3231 - 21/07/2025 20:27:24    2627001

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2025/0721/1524596-cork-in-a-state-of-fragility-as-cahill-plan-comes-off/

Interesting read.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4545 - 21/07/2025 21:52:05    2627008

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Cork beat themselves again. Bad day for hurling. Objectively though, still the best team in the country, as laughable as it might sound now!

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4201 - 22/07/2025 02:20:51    2627022

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Replying To 32_4_1:  "Cork beat themselves again. Bad day for hurling. Objectively though, still the best team in the country, as laughable as it might sound now!"
32_4_1 What are you smoking? :-)

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 22/07/2025 09:44:42    2627036

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Replying To slayer:  "You're taking into account the number of chances Cork could/should have scored, but not doing the same for Tipperary, in order to arrive at a theoretical Cork victory?

Tipperary missed chances too. What most people are marveling at is how they restricted Cork to so little effort on goal, while being lethal themselves at the other end. Yesterday's game threw up a second half that I doubt I'll ever see the likes of again in my lifetime and the credit has to go to Tipperary for that, not to bemoan what Cork may have missed."
slayer (Limerick)

I understand and I take on board the honesty of your post, separately other posters are scrutinizing the amount of wide's that Tipp. had some say at least 18 to make sure that Corks goaling chances didn't matter, I'm not bringing Cork's wide's into the debate either, neither am I trying to diminish Tipp's well-earned victory, all I'm saying is Cork were denied 6 scores totaling 00 - 16, which were made up of 4 goals that should have been under normal circumstances but were but went askew by the woodwork, one more goal that should have been but as saved by the keeper, finally 00 - 01 that was deflected by the top of the post, Cork's wide's not included.

Cork started the second half 00 - 06 to the good, were they overawed by the occasion and the distinct possibility of being crowned All Ireland Champions after so many years waiting, so is there the possibility they were suffering from delayed stage fright.?

When a team is down rub their noses in it, I don't agree with that.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3231 - 22/07/2025 09:52:51    2627038

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Replying To supersub15:  "slayer (Limerick)

I understand and I take on board the honesty of your post, separately other posters are scrutinizing the amount of wide's that Tipp. had some say at least 18 to make sure that Corks goaling chances didn't matter, I'm not bringing Cork's wide's into the debate either, neither am I trying to diminish Tipp's well-earned victory, all I'm saying is Cork were denied 6 scores totaling 00 - 16, which were made up of 4 goals that should have been under normal circumstances but were but went askew by the woodwork, one more goal that should have been but as saved by the keeper, finally 00 - 01 that was deflected by the top of the post, Cork's wide's not included.

Cork started the second half 00 - 06 to the good, were they overawed by the occasion and the distinct possibility of being crowned All Ireland Champions after so many years waiting, so is there the possibility they were suffering from delayed stage fright.?

When a team is down rub their noses in it, I don't agree with that."
No, I don't agree with rubbing their noses in it either. What I hear most from any Cork person I've met is that the second half was a system malfunction. The balls that you mention, hitting the post, hitting the crossbar and the penalty save - which team reacted first in all cases? That, in my opinion, is why Tipperary won.

I think Tipperary had better preparation and prepared better for the final. If Pat Ryan stays on, I think Cork will take massive learnings from the 2025 season.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 22/07/2025 10:07:44    2627043

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Replying To Fionn:  "https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2025/0721/1524596-cork-in-a-state-of-fragility-as-cahill-plan-comes-off/

Interesting read."
Totally.

One interesting snippet from this article is on Tipp's margin of victory in All Ireland finals. The smallest I've seen is 4 points (1-16 to 0-15 v Kilkenny in 1991). The 5 others I've seen have ranged from 8 points to 18 and each of those 5 wins, Tipp got well on top of their opponent.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 22/07/2025 10:11:53    2627044

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Replying To slayer:  "No, I don't agree with rubbing their noses in it either. What I hear most from any Cork person I've met is that the second half was a system malfunction. The balls that you mention, hitting the post, hitting the crossbar and the penalty save - which team reacted first in all cases? That, in my opinion, is why Tipperary won.

I think Tipperary had better preparation and prepared better for the final. If Pat Ryan stays on, I think Cork will take massive learnings from the 2025 season."
That's fine with me, so we'll leave it at that.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3231 - 22/07/2025 10:46:16    2627057

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Replying To Yadse:  "Corks fragility reminds me a little of Tipp in the 70s and 80s
Tipp went from 71 to 89 with no AI, and until 88 to actually get to a final. They went from 71 to 87 with no Munster
They couldnt buy a win back then and people talking about culture and how Tipp are the aristocrats have short memories
Back then Cork were the dominant force in Munster and it felt like other teams had to be a lot better than them to actually beat them - Kilkenny excepted
All that has changed now
I guess winning and the winning mentality is fragile and until Cork win an AI this will be a deadweight on them"
Exactly. Things change over time. Limerick went from being nearly men (and not even that) for decades, to serial winners who couldn't lose a final of any kind.
Kilkenny who were ruthless winners, have now lost last their 4 finals and haven't won in 10 years.
Sometimes it can be a win/loss that's a catalyst, other times it's just the natural evolution of a team, or an increase/drop in quality, which can have multiple reasons.
The bottom line is nothing is set in stone and there's always the hope of improvement, if the right steps are taken with development, resources etc.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2474 - 22/07/2025 11:44:43    2627079

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Replying To supersub15:  "Yes, you could say Cork beat themselves, at the same time you would have to admire and say well done to Tipp, for taking advantage of that situation.

Cork had a number of self inflicted lost scoring chances that humbled Tipp's final score.

A Cork ball that was destined for the net, sadly it hit the hit the post that was destined for the net, came out and was sort of cleared.

A Cork ball that was destined for the net, alas it hit the cross bar, that carried no score.

A Cork ball that was destined for a point hit the top of the post and went wide.

A Cork penalty that should have rattled the back of the net but was saved by the keeper. (No penalty should be saved in the game of hurling.)

Cork was reduced to 14 players.

The Cork keeper was unfortunate to try and save the ball that was destined for a point but to find it in the back of his net.

Although Tipp's next goal was flicked in nicely, any other day it may not have happened as easily.

I make that 05-01. I make that 00-16 that went a begging for Cork."
Where are you getting the 5 missed goals from? Their shots off the post were for points. They had one goal shot off the crossbar. The penalty came when the game was completely done as a contest.
Tipp actually had more wides than Cork and had more goal chances. Connolly missed a great chance in the first half, and they had a goal disallowed for a close call on a square ball. Let's add those scores to Tipp's total while we're at it so. It would still be a hammering.
Cork were miles off it in the second half. A few shots for points that came off the post and a shot off the crossbar weren't going to change that.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2474 - 22/07/2025 11:56:47    2627083

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It was the strangest of atmospheres I have ever witnessed in the second half on Sunday. It felt like a funeral. I don't know why but after the semi finals I had very contrasting emotions on Cork. One one side of us were decent Cork folk, good people. On the other side were the "Were from Cork" brigade. Insufferable, annoying, sneering, jeering, and all the rest. Could not wait to get away from them.
But the difference in the second half was Tipp wanted it, won every breaking ball and had giants all over the pitch. Cork had players who just went hiding all over the pitch.
I lost 5 club county finals at various levels before I eventually got one and its the worst feeling ever losing a county final let alone an All-Ireland final. I would back the decision to cancel the homecoming, a homecoming without a cup is not worth having for any team. Who really wants to be on a stage, or attend a sympathy parade? You lose you lick your wounds and get ready to come back stronger. Never mind your ifs and buts, its too late.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1450 - 22/07/2025 12:11:29    2627093

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the expression 'to do a Cork on it' will enter the GAA lexicon ...

The only way I (as a neutral) can explain it is mentally Cork were undercooked for what Tipp threw at them. Full credit to the Tipp management and players who were completely on-form and played what was in front of them. The fact Cork cancelled the homecoming event speaks volumes as to the complete malfunction that occurred and probably the right thing to do IMHO in the circumstances.

Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 582 - 22/07/2025 12:33:29    2627109

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Where are you getting the 5 missed goals from? Their shots off the post were for points. They had one goal shot off the crossbar. The penalty came when the game was completely done as a contest.
Tipp actually had more wides than Cork and had more goal chances. Connolly missed a great chance in the first half, and they had a goal disallowed for a close call on a square ball. Let's add those scores to Tipp's total while we're at it so. It would still be a hammering.
Cork were miles off it in the second half. A few shots for points that came off the post and a shot off the crossbar weren't going to change that."
Sorry, but I'd be only repeating myself if I was to repost.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3231 - 22/07/2025 12:56:33    2627124

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "It was the strangest of atmospheres I have ever witnessed in the second half on Sunday. It felt like a funeral. I don't know why but after the semi finals I had very contrasting emotions on Cork. One one side of us were decent Cork folk, good people. On the other side were the "Were from Cork" brigade. Insufferable, annoying, sneering, jeering, and all the rest. Could not wait to get away from them.
But the difference in the second half was Tipp wanted it, won every breaking ball and had giants all over the pitch. Cork had players who just went hiding all over the pitch.
I lost 5 club county finals at various levels before I eventually got one and its the worst feeling ever losing a county final let alone an All-Ireland final. I would back the decision to cancel the homecoming, a homecoming without a cup is not worth having for any team. Who really wants to be on a stage, or attend a sympathy parade? You lose you lick your wounds and get ready to come back stronger. Never mind your ifs and buts, its too late."
They won Munster and the League, the least they could do is give the families that followed them in huge numbers around the country an evening of their time. And followed them despite the fact that the only Championship game they won in play all year outside of Cork was the game against Dublin.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 22/07/2025 13:46:31    2627147

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Replying To supersub15:  "With or without sugar mo cara.?"
sachet of mushroom cuppa soup be better :-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 22/07/2025 13:48:31    2627148

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That was an absolute capitulation and serious questions have to be asked of management and players. A 21 point turn around and to only score 2 points in 35 mins in Croker in mid July shocking. As a cork friend said to me mentality midgets. For all the talk of cork hurling and great lads coming through when ya still have Cahalane & Lehane coming on it says enough they were not able to deliver 10 years ago. P Ryan seems like a gent and I genuinely feel for him but I don't see how he can continue. Hindsight is great but should he have moved Downey when on a yellow or even taking him off? Look what Cahill did made hard calls got rid of players. Cork have not had a good spine for 20 years. Serious soul searching needed

Eire89 (Galway) - Posts: 377 - 22/07/2025 13:48:57    2627150

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Replying To Yadse:  "Corks fragility reminds me a little of Tipp in the 70s and 80s
Tipp went from 71 to 89 with no AI, and until 88 to actually get to a final. They went from 71 to 87 with no Munster
They couldnt buy a win back then and people talking about culture and how Tipp are the aristocrats have short memories
Back then Cork were the dominant force in Munster and it felt like other teams had to be a lot better than them to actually beat them - Kilkenny excepted
All that has changed now
I guess winning and the winning mentality is fragile and until Cork win an AI this will be a deadweight on them"
Great post.

Was at the game in Limerick in 1983 when Tipp ended their championship win famine. They hadn't won a championship game since 1973. They beat Clare 2-11 to 1-11 in the GG & the euphoria was unreal. I grew up thinking Tipperary were minnows, only to read about their history. Then they won the 1987 Munster Final and while it was all knockout back then, they kept going until they won back Liam MacCarthy in 1989. There was no social media back then but you could sense the pressure on them right up to that Antrim game in September 1989, having won an all Ireland in every decade etc.

Cork now, probably similar alright. Perhaps up until 2005 Cork always knew they'd pop up with an all Ireland out of nowhere (e.g. 1990) but the longer the gap goes the harder it is to win it, as we well know in Limerick.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 22/07/2025 13:59:47    2627156

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Replying To Viking66:  "They won Munster and the League, the least they could do is give the families that followed them in huge numbers around the country an evening of their time. And followed them despite the fact that the only Championship game they won in play all year outside of Cork was the game against Dublin."
Not a popular opinion, but I fully respect Cork not having a homecoming. I'm sure as they see it, they didn't win the trophy they want and most likely feel they let Cork down. Why force the Management & Players into a situation they obviously don't want? They'll meet the public in the 2026 NHL when a bit of time has passed and they can go again.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 22/07/2025 14:02:47    2627157

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Replying To slayer:  "Not a popular opinion, but I fully respect Cork not having a homecoming. I'm sure as they see it, they didn't win the trophy they want and most likely feel they let Cork down. Why force the Management & Players into a situation they obviously don't want? They'll meet the public in the 2026 NHL when a bit of time has passed and they can go again."
This probably won't get past admin, but I was at a very recent losing homecoming where the highlight of the evening was when we were treated to a clearly inebriated member of management walk onto the stage holding his dog.
That made my mind up on the excercise....

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 548 - 22/07/2025 14:15:54    2627169

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Replying To Viking66:  "They won Munster and the League, the least they could do is give the families that followed them in huge numbers around the country an evening of their time. And followed them despite the fact that the only Championship game they won in play all year outside of Cork was the game against Dublin."
Spare us the faux outrage. You couldn't give one hoot about Cork or our fans.

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 440 - 22/07/2025 14:24:26    2627172

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