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That doesn't clearly say Provincial Championship, it just says Championship which could mean just the Tailteann Cup Championship??
Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 538 - 09/06/2025 11:38:52 2616051 Link 0 |
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Interesting question re. Limerick v Westmeath. The rule states that the semi-final will be subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible. Unclear whether this refers solely to the actual championship, or whether it considers the TC to be part of the championship too. My gut feeling is it's the first of those, since the Rule Book has separate sections headed "All-Ireland Senior Football Championship" and "Tailteann Cup". The word "championship" is not used in connection with the TC at all. So in that case, Limerick and Westmeath could indeed meet in a semi-final, despite having already met in the group stage. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2945 - 09/06/2025 11:51:42 2616057 Link 1 |
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This is a good one. First off, there's nothing in the rules for either Sam Maguire or Tailteann Cup to say that there can't be a repeat of a provincial championship fixture in the group stage of either of the subsequent competitions. For example, Wicklow played Longford in the Leinster Championship this year. Wicklow were Seed 3 for the TC and Longford were Seed 4 - so they could have been drawn into the same group. Interestingly though, there's nothing in the actual Rule Book to say that there can't be a repeat of a provincial final in the group stages of the All-Ireland SFC. All it says is that provincial champions shall be Seed 1 and provincial runners-up shall be Seed 2, but there's nothing about how certain Seed 1s can't be drawn against certain Seed 2s. It's possible however that there's such a stipulation in separate Competition Regulations or similar. They wouldn't be as easy to find online, if they're even online at all. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2945 - 09/06/2025 12:04:07 2616060 Link 0 |
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I don't think so. As stated in the post above that I must have been writing around the same time you were writing yours, the Rule Book doesn't actually use the word "championship" in relation to the Tailteann Cup at all. Also, if they did mean to refer to the TC again for the semi-final draw, I'd expect them to again use the words "subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1" instead, same as stated for the preliminary quarter-final draws. Obviously there couldn't be a repeat of a pairing from either the preliminaries or the quarter-finals themselves, as there's no way both teams could through from any of those fixtures! Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2945 - 09/06/2025 12:48:04 2616078 Link 0 |
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As good a draw as could have been asked for really, shouldnt be a lot between the teams in any of the fixtures. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1445 - 09/06/2025 13:03:18 2616086 Link 0 |
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Limerick won their group in 2023 but lost in the quarter finals. Last year they were group runners up and lost in the quarter finals. They'll obviously be looking to go further this year. Wexford were the more impressive in the regular league phase. Can go either way. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8929 - 09/06/2025 13:06:55 2616089 Link 0 |
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RTE televise the draw but don't actually show the balls been drawn from the bowls? what's the point of televising it at all if they don't show the actual draw? Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3247 - 09/06/2025 13:23:37 2616102 Link 0 |
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Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2195 - 09/06/2025 14:39:41 2616130 Link 0 |
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Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Some of this is because Kildare is in this competition instead of Clare. It'd be more open if Kildare (they're like 1 in 3 to win). weren't there and the same in season 1 where Meath really should have been in Sam."]The Tailteann Cup has usually suffered from a few teams been in it that probably shouldn't be. The competition winners since inception have been Westmeath, Meath and Down, and the finalists been teams of similar stature also in Cavan, Down twice and Laois probably a bit of an anomaly last year. This year it'll come down to Westmeath, Offaly, Kildare and probably Sligo again. So it's been completely dominated by teams who were relegated from Div 2, or at the top of division 3. I think the competition would be much better served by reducing the numbers to 12, and increasing the Sam Maguire to 20. If Kildare, Offaly, Sligo or Westmeath were in Sam this year under the new rules, they wouldn't be completely out of place. I mean they're not going to win it, but either are half the teams in Sam Maguire anyway. The new rules have brough teams closer together, and has closed the gap. The Tailteann Cup was introduced under the old rules, but so far it's been dominated by teams who shouldn't be in it."]Any chance of answering the question Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2195 - 09/06/2025 14:41:05 2616131 Link 0 |
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Kildare shouldn't but hard to rule out Offaly with Harte involved. Kildare getting the week rest might be enough to prevail Sligo to edge Fermanagh. Westmeath one of the favourties of this competition should beat Wicklow. Limerick v Wexford a real 50/50 tie but again the week rest could allow Limerick to edge it. Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 492 - 09/06/2025 15:03:04 2616138 Link 0 |
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Who knows, they always do this with their 'televised' draw. it's been pointed out before, let's say the GAA had particular fixture they'd like to see happen, wouldn't be hard to rig it, easier when the public can't see the actual draw, wasn't it in FIFA /UEFA that it was rumoured they were freezing the balls in each bowl of the teams they wanted to meet? Anyway typical RTE can do nothing right, show the bowls as the draw is being made at least, halfwits. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3247 - 09/06/2025 15:13:30 2616147 Link 1 |
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You can get odds of 5/1 on Wicklow to win, doubtful will home advantage be enough to get them through.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3653 - 09/06/2025 15:15:46 2616148 Link 0 |
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As good a draw as could have been asked for really, shouldnt be a lot between the teams in any of the fixtures. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1445 - 09/06/2025 15:26:57 2616153 Link 0 |
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Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Some of this is because Kildare is in this competition instead of Clare. It'd be more open if Kildare (they're like 1 in 3 to win). weren't there and the same in season 1 where Meath really should have been in Sam."]The Tailteann Cup has usually suffered from a few teams been in it that probably shouldn't be. The competition winners since inception have been Westmeath, Meath and Down, and the finalists been teams of similar stature also in Cavan, Down twice and Laois probably a bit of an anomaly last year. This year it'll come down to Westmeath, Offaly, Kildare and probably Sligo again. So it's been completely dominated by teams who were relegated from Div 2, or at the top of division 3. I think the competition would be much better served by reducing the numbers to 12, and increasing the Sam Maguire to 20. If Kildare, Offaly, Sligo or Westmeath were in Sam this year under the new rules, they wouldn't be completely out of place. I mean they're not going to win it, but either are half the teams in Sam Maguire anyway. The new rules have brough teams closer together, and has closed the gap. The Tailteann Cup was introduced under the old rules, but so far it's been dominated by teams who shouldn't be in it."]Any chance of answering the question"]The answer was in the post "The competition winners since inception have been Westmeath, Meath and Down, and the finalists been teams of similar stature also in Cavan, Down twice and Laois probably a bit of an anomaly last year"....."I think the competition would be much better served by reducing the numbers to 12, and increasing the Sam Maguire to 20". If Sam Maguire was increased to 20 this year - then Westmeath, Kildare and Offaly (but not Laois) wouldn't be in the Tailteann Cup - in his view, they shouldn't be in it - increasing the likelihood of a Sligo/Fermanagh/Limerick/Wexford win. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1445 - 09/06/2025 15:34:11 2616155 Link 0 |
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Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3247 - 09/06/2025 15:38:24 2616158 Link 0 |
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What happened Westmeath in that Limerick game? They seemed to batter everyone else they play. Wicklow get into a QF by losing against the only strong opposition they played, tight enough win over Laois and beat Waterford handy.
FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 172 - 09/06/2025 15:47:01 2616163 Link 0 |
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Fermanagh v Sligo. Hard to call this one, maybe home advantage swings it to FERMANAGH. Wicklow. v Westmeath. Have to fancy WESTMEATH here. Kildare v Offaly. KILDARE should win this, with a bit to spare. Limerick v Wexford. WEXFORD by a few points. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 606 - 09/06/2025 15:59:43 2616165 Link 0 |
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They're halfwits and you're coming up with a conspiracy theory for some pairing that you can't even name? What were they trying to avoid? Wexford playing in Newbridge in case the Slaneysiders would wreck Kildare Village??
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2195 - 09/06/2025 16:19:47 2616170 Link 0 |
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Hope you are right!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16293 - 09/06/2025 17:04:22 2616185 Link 0 |
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They did it deliberately so we couldn't go to Eddie Rockets before the game ;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16293 - 09/06/2025 17:05:13 2616186 Link 0 |