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Tailteann Cup 2025

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Who shouldn't be in it?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2195 - 07/06/2025 21:43:36    2615628

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The current structure works well but could be used to allow the TC be what it was always supposed to be - an opportunity to keep playing in the summer and develop the weaker counties.

Keep current 16 - 16 SM - TC split

2026 has new double elimination format

SM Cup Round 1 - 8 v 8 (should be open draw)
SM Cup Round 2A winners into SM Cup qfinals
SM Cup round 2B winners play 2A losers with winners into SM Cup q finals
SM Round 2B losers drop to SM Shield

TC Cup Round 2A winners into SM Shield qfinals
TC Cup Round 2B winners play 2A losers in TC Cup qfinals
Round 2B losers enter TC Shield
TC Shield home final winners go to NYC to play TC shield final.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1445 - 08/06/2025 07:36:12    2615673

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Replying To macca999:  "When see the offaly v NYC score hard not to feel for Leitrim missing out.

Great and important NYC participate, get opportunity but like the hurling needs to be done in right way.

Maybe a playoff between NYC and lowest ranked third place.

Though next year format changing for all iteland so assuming tailteann cup be same structure but no mention yet?"
Why is it important new york participate?

boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 352 - 08/06/2025 08:52:14    2615685

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So we're back to the top 2 teams from the groups in the QFs which kinda shows the format was not much assistance to the lower teams. At least with the open draw next year and qualifiers it'll level it out. A team that loses twice in a championship shouldn't progress. It's probably the 8 teams you'd have expected at the beginning of the competition but perhaps maybe not Offaly and Westmeath having away QFs. Looking forward to the draw tomorrow. Wicklow, Fermanagh and Limerick at home gives them a great chance of progression. A Kildare Westmeath QF or Semi opens up the door big time for an outsider to reach the final. Offaly and Fermanagh QF would remove one of the chasing pack too!

Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 538 - 08/06/2025 16:40:01    2615781

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Replying To Sligoman1234:  "So we're back to the top 2 teams from the groups in the QFs which kinda shows the format was not much assistance to the lower teams. At least with the open draw next year and qualifiers it'll level it out. A team that loses twice in a championship shouldn't progress. It's probably the 8 teams you'd have expected at the beginning of the competition but perhaps maybe not Offaly and Westmeath having away QFs. Looking forward to the draw tomorrow. Wicklow, Fermanagh and Limerick at home gives them a great chance of progression. A Kildare Westmeath QF or Semi opens up the door big time for an outsider to reach the final. Offaly and Fermanagh QF would remove one of the chasing pack too!"
Westmeath can't meet Kildare in the semi final; if they manage to win their quarter final… however; I've a feeling they will be drawn against Kildare tomorrow morning in the quarter final!

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1083 - 08/06/2025 20:54:19    2615905

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Replying To Matthew:  "Westmeath can't meet Kildare in the semi final; if they manage to win their quarter final… however; I've a feeling they will be drawn against Kildare tomorrow morning in the quarter final!"
Is the semi finals not open draw?

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1176 - 08/06/2025 22:22:14    2615930

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Replying To macca999:  "Is the semi finals not open draw?"
No, teams who've played in the group stages can't meet again at this stage........I'm not sure about the semi-finals

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 180 - 08/06/2025 22:39:01    2615937

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Replying To macca999:  "Is the semi finals not open draw?"
Agreed. There's no restriction for semi final. It's only in Sam Maguire that repeat provincial finalists can't meet at semi final level…well so a quick google says.

Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 538 - 08/06/2025 22:44:25    2615940

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RTÉ couldn't have got one football pundit to review the four games for 5/10 minutes tonight I see. Yet on other weekends where there was 1/2 hurling games in a football packed weekend they always managed to get in a panel and 20/30 mins of the show.

Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 538 - 08/06/2025 23:02:26    2615943

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Replying To macca999:  "Is the semi finals not open draw?"
I think the semi-final draw is open. There's no reason why Kildare and Westmeath can't meet in the semi-final or in tomorrow's draw. It's only teams who met previously in the Tailteann group stages can't play each other. Eg Kildare won't be drawn against Sligo but can be drawn against Westmeath even though they played in the Leinster championship which has no bearing on the Tailteann draw. Kildare will play one of Westmeath, Offaly or Wexford.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3032 - 08/06/2025 23:47:28    2615950

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We are down to the last 8 in the competition .
I make it
1 Div 2 team left,
4 Div 3 teams and
3 Div 4 teams.
Therefore there's no need for another tier.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2129 - 08/06/2025 23:51:06    2615952

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Replying To Matthew:  "Westmeath can't meet Kildare in the semi final; if they manage to win their quarter final… however; I've a feeling they will be drawn against Kildare tomorrow morning in the quarter final!"
Why could they meet at quarter but not semi? Is semi not open draw? Westmeath can face Kildare, Fermanagh or Wicklow.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 823 - 09/06/2025 00:37:47    2615958

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Replying To macca999:  "Is the semi finals not open draw?"
No.

Can't meet teams in the semi finals you met previously in your provincial championship. So it looks like a Westmeath Kildare final now.

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1083 - 09/06/2025 08:43:03    2615977

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Tailteann Cup quarter-final draw
Fermanagh v Sligo
Wicklow v Westmeath
Kildare v Offaly
Limerick v Wexford
Group winners have home advantage. Kildare v Offaly and Limerick v Wexford are a repeat of league finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8929 - 09/06/2025 09:16:11    2615980

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Replying To Matthew:  "No.

Can't meet teams in the semi finals you met previously in your provincial championship. So it looks like a Westmeath Kildare final now."
Re run of the div 4 final for us. Not looking past that tbh.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16293 - 09/06/2025 09:36:33    2615989

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Just to confirm what the Rule Book says about repeat pairings:

Quarter-Finals
The four first-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four Preliminary Quarter- Finals winners. Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1.

Semi-Finals
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.

So it really is the case that Kildare couldn't play Westmeath in the semi-final, since they've already met in the championship, and no other repeat pairing is possible.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2945 - 09/06/2025 10:09:04    2615999

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Just to confirm what the Rule Book says about repeat pairings:

Quarter-Finals
The four first-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four Preliminary Quarter- Finals winners. Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1.

Semi-Finals
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.

So it really is the case that Kildare couldn't play Westmeath in the semi-final, since they've already met in the championship, and no other repeat pairing is possible."
If it's the way you think there's a strong chance Kildare and Westmeath could meet in final , but would the fact Limerick v Westmeath also played in group mean that pairing couldn't meet ?
Big chance for Limerick or Wexford to get a semi final spot for starters regardless in a competition both have a chance of winning unlike the all ireland itself , tailtean cup has been a great initiative

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 753 - 09/06/2025 10:40:40    2616015

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Is avoidance of provincial pairings usually just finalists in the All Championship?
Kerry played Cork again and Tyrone are playing Cavan again.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8929 - 09/06/2025 10:45:01    2616018

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Just to confirm what the Rule Book says about repeat pairings:

Quarter-Finals
The four first-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four Preliminary Quarter- Finals winners. Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1.

Semi-Finals
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.

So it really is the case that Kildare couldn't play Westmeath in the semi-final, since they've already met in the championship, and no other repeat pairing is possible."
Thanks for confirming what I said above! The Offaly and Kildare game is the standout match for next weekend.

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1083 - 09/06/2025 10:52:50    2616027

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Replying To OpenStand:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "Just to confirm what the Rule Book says about repeat pairings:

Quarter-Finals
The four first-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four Preliminary Quarter- Finals winners. Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1.

Semi-Finals
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.

So it really is the case that Kildare couldn't play Westmeath in the semi-final, since they've already met in the championship, and no other repeat pairing is possible."
If it's the way you think there's a strong chance Kildare and Westmeath could meet in final , but would the fact Limerick v Westmeath also played in group mean that pairing couldn't meet ?
Big chance for Limerick or Wexford to get a semi final spot for starters regardless in a competition both have a chance of winning unlike the all ireland itself , tailtean cup has been a great initiative"
I agree. The TC is excellent. I don't think there's a need for a 3rd tier competition. 3 of the 8 quarter finalists are from div 4, and all 8 have a chance of winning their QF.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16293 - 09/06/2025 11:24:30    2616045

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