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Of the leading contenders for the All Ireland, most are a product of sustained U20/21 success.
Dublin won 12 of 18 U20 Leinsters between 2002 and 2020 - resulting in 19 of 20 Leinster Senior titles (and 9 of 14 All Irelands)
Kerry's Munster U21 wins (1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002) produced 6 senior all irelands (1997, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009) and their current run (6 from 8 since 2017) has only started producing all Irelands (1 and counting)
Tyrone's All Irelands were built of sustained U21/20 provincial success and having won 4 of 6 since 2019 - they are coming again)
The Galway current team is built off 5no U20/21 prov titles between 2011 and 2020,
Mayos team from 2011-2021 was built of 7 Prov U20 titles between 2001 and 2009.
Corks 2010 all ireland was a product of 6 Prov U20 titles between (2001 and 2009)
Only Cavan (4 in a row U21 Ulster's from 2011 to 2014) and Cork (7 from 10 between 2011 and 2021) have failed to turn sustained U20 success into a top quality senior intercounty team.
Donegal and Armagh are outliers, having won senior All Irelands in the past 25 years without any sustained underage success.
The question for any intercounty team outside Div 1, would you not be better cutting costs on the senior team for 3-8 years and focus on trying to produce a consistent quality U20 team who win provincial championships before switching funds to then try and win a senior All ireland from that sustained U20 success.
Its worked for Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone and Cork (to a lessor extent) and got Down, Mayo and Galway to a few all Ireland finals, it is surely the only recipe for success unless you have a generational unifying figurehead (Jim McGuinness/Kieran McGeeney/Joe Kiernan/John O Mahony/Brian McEniff/Sean Boylan/Eamon Coleman/Mick O Dwyer).
Its likely easier to focus on the underage, as the GAA football messiahs are not found as frequently as they once were.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1298 - 21/04/2025 17:30:24
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Of the leading contenders for the All Ireland, most are a product of sustained U20/21 success.
Dublin won 12 of 18 U20 Leinsters between 2002 and 2020 - resulting in 19 of 20 Leinster Senior titles (and 9 of 14 All Irelands)
Kerry's Munster U21 wins (1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002) produced 6 senior all irelands (1997, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009) and their current run (6 from 8 since 2017) has only started producing all Irelands (1 and counting)
Tyrone's All Irelands were built of sustained U21/20 provincial success and having won 4 of 6 since 2019 - they are coming again)
The Galway current team is built off 5no U20/21 prov titles between 2011 and 2020,
Mayos team from 2011-2021 was built of 7 Prov U20 titles between 2001 and 2009.
Corks 2010 all ireland was a product of 6 Prov U20 titles between (2001 and 2009)
Only Cavan (4 in a row U21 Ulster's from 2011 to 2014) and Cork (7 from 10 between 2011 and 2021) have failed to turn sustained U20 success into a top quality senior intercounty team.
Donegal and Armagh are outliers, having won senior All Irelands in the past 25 years without any sustained underage success.
The question for any intercounty team outside Div 1, would you not be better cutting costs on the senior team for 3-8 years and focus on trying to produce a consistent quality U20 team who win provincial championships before switching funds to then try and win a senior All ireland from that sustained U20 success.
Its worked for Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone and Cork (to a lessor extent) and got Down, Mayo and Galway to a few all Ireland finals, it is surely the only recipe for success unless you have a generational unifying figurehead (Jim McGuinness/Kieran McGeeney/Joe Kiernan/John O Mahony/Brian McEniff/Sean Boylan/Eamon Coleman/Mick O Dwyer).
Its likely easier to focus on the underage, as the GAA football messiahs are not found as frequently as they once were." Not sure the counties that had senior success following on u20 success pursued the model you suggest and I don't think it would work.
I don't think Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc sacrificed any focus on their senior team.
A planned reduction of focus on the senior set-up cannot be switched back on just like that.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 871 - 21/04/2025 18:28:50
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Replying To sligo joe: "Not sure the counties that had senior success following on u20 success pursued the model you suggest and I don't think it would work.
I don't think Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc sacrificed any focus on their senior team.
A planned reduction of focus on the senior set-up cannot be switched back on just like that." I dont think those counties will switch off senior at this point.
However, the point is still valid - they started with fixing their underage and pushed on from there.
Its a blueprint for all aspiring counties who wish to be at the top table - sort out your underage teams and the rest should follow
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1298 - 22/04/2025 16:44:36
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