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Replying To Ryanteam: "The big 3 are still alive in the all Ireland series. I would view the big 3 of this century as Limerick, Kilkenny and Tipperary. It's hard not to see one of them winning it, although would be nice seeing an underdog like Cork taking it!" How many AIs have Cork won? Limerick?
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 26/05/2025 20:31:30
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Replying To brayballer: "Oh did I hit a nerve. I have no skin in the Munster Hurling but I would prefer Limerick to win.Why does that bother you? Are you Galway? Do you get upset when other contributors dont support the teams you do? A bit childish really! Just cos I have an address in Wicklow does nt mean Im from there but maybe you not old enough to understand that." Lol I bet you support Liverpool too.... Bet you wish your parents never moved to Bray! It was your own choice to call yourself the Bray baller and put Wicklow as county so enough of that bit
systematic (Galway) - Posts: 180 - 27/05/2025 01:07:29
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Replying To Overdahill: "Ah the annual argument that you should survive in the champonship despite coming last in a 5 team group is upon us. Always very enjoyable." You're missing the point. There are 3 competitions that are qualifying teams. The Munster championship. A bastardized Leinster championship and the next level down from them that you are not qualified to play in those competitions but can go on to play in the National Championship McCarty Cup. Yes it used to be Provincal Champions went into the All-Ireland series but in the attempt to make it better now it is this mishmash. I am not saying this because we're out. I said it from the start. Last year's All-Ireland champions are out of the All-Ireland series and the McDonagh winners will be in. No disrespect but Let's be honest they would not be in an ass's bawl of Clare, Waterford or Wexford. They should have the opportunity to play for the McCarthy Cup but by first qualifying to play in their provincial championship and through that qualifying the same as the rest. That is if you want a provincial qualification system. It is a proper f-k up when the top teams are not in the McCarthy Cup and a team from a lower competition are. Why not the winner s of the Christy Ring and Rackard cups. O they have to qualify first to play in the level above them.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 27/05/2025 01:33:19
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Replying To midlands: "A strike with the hurley is a sending off offence, and several players have been dismissed for what is termed "striking with minimal force". I agree that red cards destroy games, like the recent Cork-Tipp match, but if rules are not enforced we could end up with chaos. Yes, the Galway-Dublin game should have had a few red cards, and I think that referees have a duty of care towards players. For instance, when you compare the red cards shown to Alan Tynan and James Mahon in the latter stages of the league (both of which were, amazingly, upheld on appeal) you have to wonder how Daithi Burke got away with a yellow card yesterday for a far more dangerous challenge. Of course, he wasn't the only player who was lucky yesterday." If you're going to name players here who you believe should have seen red it's strange that you omit Conor Donohue's attempt at beheading a Galway player, one of the most dangerous strikes I have seen in a hurling game.
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 27/05/2025 07:02:25
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "How many AIs have Cork won? Limerick?" Only 2 this millennium. Hope Limerick win another one this year, but if not then I'd be delighted with a Galway win.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 27/05/2025 07:47:05
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Replying To Doylerwex: "We beat siblings in thurles in a Leinster semi final when they were doing up croke park. I want to say 2002??
Didn't we beat Cork there in 16 ?" Thanks Doyler thats right. We ran Kilkenny closer than anyone else that year. We beat Offaly in Nowlan Park also in 03. True we beat Cork in Semple in 2016. Wasn't there myself, the 3rd youngest was only a month or so old and the eldest 2 were too young to bring.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 27/05/2025 08:01:36
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "How many AIs have Cork won? Limerick?" Since inception of GAA, Cork have 30 and Limerick about 12… , but since 2000, Cork have only 2 whilst Limerick have 5. Kilkenny have 36 all Ireland's, and 11 this century (since 2000).., Tipp have 28 all Ireland's and 4 since 2000. Cork have some catching up to do in the roll of honor this century!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 547 - 27/05/2025 08:13:05
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Just on Peter Queallys call for structure change why not try the following.
Run off the Munster and Leinster Championships on a purely knockout basis.
Once completed we could seed the 4 provincial finalists into 4 groups of 3 teams
(Just imagine that Limerick & KK win their provincials)
Pot 1 - Munster Winners Limerick
Pot 2 - Munster Runners up - Cork
Pot 3 Leinster winners - Kilkenny
Pot 4 Leinster Runners Up - Galway
From here we have an open draw with the remaining 8 teams in the senior championship (I am including the Joe McDonagh Cup Winners, Laois for now) The mock draw I completed was as follows
Pot 1 - Limerick (G.W), Wexford & Clare (R-Up)
Pot 2 - Cork (G.W), Dublin (R-Up) & Antrim
Pot 3 - Kilkenny (G.W), Offaly & Waterford (R-up)
Pot 4 - Galway (R-up), Laois & Tipp (G.W)
Top two teams in each group go to All Ireland Quarter Finals where the group winners are seeded, then open draw to see who they play with no repeat pairings from group stage
Limerick V Galway
Kilkenny V Dublin
Tipperary V Waterford
Cork V Clare
Semi finals from here etc.
With the 4 teams that finished bottom of the group stages have an open draw to see who gets relegated to Joe McDonagh Cup Hurling (Mock Draw)
relegation semi finals
Laois V Offaly
Antrim V Wexford
Losers of this relegated
This format would ensure every senior intercounty player with a minimum of 4 intercounty games just as they have at the moment while 83% of teams would have minimum 5 games (AI Quarter Finals and Relegation Final)
The one major issue I have would be with the Joe McDonagh winners as not sure to allow they a grace year in senior and remove them from the relegation process or just say well done on winning Joe McD but you've been relegated down there again for next year.
Any thoughts?
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "How many AIs have Cork won? Limerick?" Say nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cork have to make themselves underdogs because they can't deal with the favourites tag.
LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 163 - 27/05/2025 09:45:43
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Replying To Crashingwaves: "If you're going to name players here who you believe should have seen red it's strange that you omit Conor Donohue's attempt at beheading a Galway player, one of the most dangerous strikes I have seen in a hurling game." I mnetioned Daithi Burke because his challenge was somewhat similar to Tynan's and Mahon's, except that it was frontal and so much more dangerous. I also mentioned that Daithi wasn't the only player lucky to stay on the field. Donohue's strike was of an entirely different nature. The referee probably couldn't see it but his umpires were very close to the incident.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 610 - 27/05/2025 10:17:24
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Replying To bountyboy22: "Just on Peter Queallys call for structure change why not try the following.
Run off the Munster and Leinster Championships on a purely knockout basis.
Once completed we could seed the 4 provincial finalists into 4 groups of 3 teams
(Just imagine that Limerick & KK win their provincials)
Pot 1 - Munster Winners Limerick
Pot 2 - Munster Runners up - Cork
Pot 3 Leinster winners - Kilkenny
Pot 4 Leinster Runners Up - Galway
From here we have an open draw with the remaining 8 teams in the senior championship (I am including the Joe McDonagh Cup Winners, Laois for now) The mock draw I completed was as follows
Pot 1 - Limerick (G.W), Wexford & Clare (R-Up)
Pot 2 - Cork (G.W), Dublin (R-Up) & Antrim
Pot 3 - Kilkenny (G.W), Offaly & Waterford (R-up)
Pot 4 - Galway (R-up), Laois & Tipp (G.W)
Top two teams in each group go to All Ireland Quarter Finals where the group winners are seeded, then open draw to see who they play with no repeat pairings from group stage
Limerick V Galway
Kilkenny V Dublin
Tipperary V Waterford
Cork V Clare
Semi finals from here etc.
With the 4 teams that finished bottom of the group stages have an open draw to see who gets relegated to Joe McDonagh Cup Hurling (Mock Draw)
relegation semi finals
Laois V Offaly
Antrim V Wexford
Losers of this relegated
This format would ensure every senior intercounty player with a minimum of 4 intercounty games just as they have at the moment while 83% of teams would have minimum 5 games (AI Quarter Finals and Relegation Final)
The one major issue I have would be with the Joe McDonagh winners as not sure to allow they a grace year in senior and remove them from the relegation process or just say well done on winning Joe McD but you've been relegated down there again for next year.
Any thoughts?" So.... The football structure? Good one :)
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Replying To midlands: "I mnetioned Daithi Burke because his challenge was somewhat similar to Tynan's and Mahon's, except that it was frontal and so much more dangerous. I also mentioned that Daithi wasn't the only player lucky to stay on the field. Donohue's strike was of an entirely different nature. The referee probably couldn't see it but his umpires were very close to the incident." When a Dublin player questioned the ref re issuing a yellow card to DB, the referee, who was near both players, answered saying that what he saw was a shoulder to the chest and not the head. Marty and Duignan could hear his reply through their headphones. I agree that it was dangerous but the other strike with the hurley could have been fatal.
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 27/05/2025 11:38:58
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Replying To Ryanteam: "Since inception of GAA, Cork have 30 and Limerick about 12… , but since 2000, Cork have only 2 whilst Limerick have 5. Kilkenny have 36 all Ireland's, and 11 this century (since 2000).., Tipp have 28 all Ireland's and 4 since 2000. Cork have some catching up to do in the roll of honor this century!" In my lifetime I have seen Cork, KK and to some extent Tipp dominate. Limerick's domination is a recent phenomenon and I imagine once their road is run either KK, Cork or Tipp or all three will dominate to some degree. I hope I'm wrong. In the west we'd always support the less fortunate teams. I haven't anything against any county, in recent years I would support the team that plays skilful and fast hurling. Cork were doing that this year but I didn't like their cynicism against Waterford the other day.
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 27/05/2025 11:54:36
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Replying To systematic: "So.... The football structure? Good one :)" Basicaally yes
bountyboy22 (USA) - Posts: 48 - 27/05/2025 14:06:55
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Replying To bountyboy22: "Just on Peter Queallys call for structure change why not try the following.
Run off the Munster and Leinster Championships on a purely knockout basis.
Once completed we could seed the 4 provincial finalists into 4 groups of 3 teams
(Just imagine that Limerick & KK win their provincials)
Pot 1 - Munster Winners Limerick
Pot 2 - Munster Runners up - Cork
Pot 3 Leinster winners - Kilkenny
Pot 4 Leinster Runners Up - Galway
From here we have an open draw with the remaining 8 teams in the senior championship (I am including the Joe McDonagh Cup Winners, Laois for now) The mock draw I completed was as follows
Pot 1 - Limerick (G.W), Wexford & Clare (R-Up)
Pot 2 - Cork (G.W), Dublin (R-Up) & Antrim
Pot 3 - Kilkenny (G.W), Offaly & Waterford (R-up)
Pot 4 - Galway (R-up), Laois & Tipp (G.W)
Top two teams in each group go to All Ireland Quarter Finals where the group winners are seeded, then open draw to see who they play with no repeat pairings from group stage
Limerick V Galway
Kilkenny V Dublin
Tipperary V Waterford
Cork V Clare
Semi finals from here etc.
With the 4 teams that finished bottom of the group stages have an open draw to see who gets relegated to Joe McDonagh Cup Hurling (Mock Draw)
relegation semi finals
Laois V Offaly
Antrim V Wexford
Losers of this relegated
This format would ensure every senior intercounty player with a minimum of 4 intercounty games just as they have at the moment while 83% of teams would have minimum 5 games (AI Quarter Finals and Relegation Final)
The one major issue I have would be with the Joe McDonagh winners as not sure to allow they a grace year in senior and remove them from the relegation process or just say well done on winning Joe McD but you've been relegated down there again for next year.
Any thoughts?" At least you are using some thought process that makes sense. I incidentally I also disagree with the relegation in the Leinster championship. If Offaly were relegated when on the way up how does that improve them. I would normally say the same about Antrim but Davy has destroyed them. Imagine the disparity if Waterford were relegated to the McDonagh after going toe to toe with all the Munster teams and beating the All-Ireland champions and not in the 2026 McCarthy cup. On top of that Limerick throwing a dead rubber against Clare. A lot of nonsense put forward by some with no interest in promoting the best options.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 27/05/2025 14:36:08
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Thought I was seeing things earlier when I saw the price of Munster final tickets.this after increasing prices for round robin.I know people will say don't go,it's getting to that stage I'm afraid..
Leinster final plus joe mc final are €40 and tickets being given out to get children going to the final..
Terrace tickets for round robin in Leinster could be got for €15..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2527 - 27/05/2025 17:18:30
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Stephen Bennet is some man
Apparently a lot of chronic injuries, cant train etc.
Waterford were the lowest scoring team this year - they scored 4-88 but he was the highest scorer overall in the round robin with 4-33
(source is wikipedia but I think its correct)
thats nearly half of their points total or put it another way the rest of Waterford only scored 55 points over 4 games
I know they left him up front alone a lot and seemed to prioritize defence (they only conceded 3 goals) but there are limits
So praise for him, but questioning the contributions of rest of the team and/or the tactics
I hope he can play next season but even if he does Waterford have to find a way to spread the scoring burden
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 126 - 27/05/2025 22:07:25
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Thought I was seeing things earlier when I saw the price of Munster final tickets.this after increasing prices for round robin.I know people will say don't go,it's getting to that stage I'm afraid..
Leinster final plus joe mc final are €40 and tickets being given out to get children going to the final..
Terrace tickets for round robin in Leinster could be got for €15.." Supply and demand and all that!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2350 - 27/05/2025 23:32:27
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Replying To bountyboy22: "Just on Peter Queallys call for structure change why not try the following.
Run off the Munster and Leinster Championships on a purely knockout basis.
Once completed we could seed the 4 provincial finalists into 4 groups of 3 teams
(Just imagine that Limerick & KK win their provincials)
Pot 1 - Munster Winners Limerick
Pot 2 - Munster Runners up - Cork
Pot 3 Leinster winners - Kilkenny
Pot 4 Leinster Runners Up - Galway
From here we have an open draw with the remaining 8 teams in the senior championship (I am including the Joe McDonagh Cup Winners, Laois for now) The mock draw I completed was as follows
Pot 1 - Limerick (G.W), Wexford & Clare (R-Up)
Pot 2 - Cork (G.W), Dublin (R-Up) & Antrim
Pot 3 - Kilkenny (G.W), Offaly & Waterford (R-up)
Pot 4 - Galway (R-up), Laois & Tipp (G.W)
Top two teams in each group go to All Ireland Quarter Finals where the group winners are seeded, then open draw to see who they play with no repeat pairings from group stage
Limerick V Galway
Kilkenny V Dublin
Tipperary V Waterford
Cork V Clare
Semi finals from here etc.
With the 4 teams that finished bottom of the group stages have an open draw to see who gets relegated to Joe McDonagh Cup Hurling (Mock Draw)
relegation semi finals
Laois V Offaly
Antrim V Wexford
Losers of this relegated
This format would ensure every senior intercounty player with a minimum of 4 intercounty games just as they have at the moment while 83% of teams would have minimum 5 games (AI Quarter Finals and Relegation Final)
The one major issue I have would be with the Joe McDonagh winners as not sure to allow they a grace year in senior and remove them from the relegation process or just say well done on winning Joe McD but you've been relegated down there again for next year.
Any thoughts?" Good thinking in many ways but politically unsellable.Why? No Joe Mac county would vote for it for obvious reasons.Munster council are hardly going to throw away millions nor are Leinster counties with an Easier path to All Ireland.
You will have to come up with a plan benefiting the second tier and maintain the importance of the Munster championship in particular to reach a 60% vote.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1716 - 28/05/2025 14:02:34
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