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Replying To Sweetspot: "More competitive because for the first time in 30 years, Dublin have lost home advantage against a top 4 team. If the leagues teach anything, it's the value of home advantage and that Dublin are more vulnerable outside of Croke Park. There isn't necessarily a team ready this year to capitalise on it, but I guarantee if we had them in Newbridge instead of Croke Park every time we've played them since 2011, they would not be going for 15 in a row this year. After all, we've beaten them the last three times they've been to Newbridge. Doesn't look like it will be Kildare, but I'm looking forward greatly to a different team winning Leinster." You cannot guarantee that Dublin would not have won those semis outside Croker because you don't know! Maybe I could guarantee that Dublin would have beaten Meath in 2010 if the game was outside Croker and then we would be going for 21 in a row this year, but I can't because I don't know. The Dubs since 2011 and indeed for a few years before that were more than capable of beating any Leinster team at any venue, would they have, I don't know but I do know those Dublin teams were head and shoulders above any Leinster opponents. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 868 - 09/04/2025 11:49:54 2601212 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "You cannot guarantee that Dublin would not have won those semis outside Croker because you don't know! Maybe I could guarantee that Dublin would have beaten Meath in 2010 if the game was outside Croker and then we would be going for 21 in a row this year, but I can't because I don't know. The Dubs since 2011 and indeed for a few years before that were more than capable of beating any Leinster team at any venue, would they have, I don't know but I do know those Dublin teams were head and shoulders above any Leinster opponents." You're right, we'll never know. All we know is that teams have been within 1 point, 2 points, 3 points of Dublin in the Leinster championship numerous times since 2010, and that home advantage is worth at least that, if not more. We can't know what would have happened had Dublin played an important Leinster match outside of Dublin in the last 30 years.. because they haven't. Every single one has been in their back yard. We do know what happened when they played a league game in Newbridge. (1-12 0-12). Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 340 - 09/04/2025 12:16:48 2601216 Link
Meath and Kildare are having some success at underage but it's not being replicated at senior level yet because the younger lads on those teams don't seem to have the size and S&C that Dublin seem to instill in their underage players coming through. If you look at Dublins players coming through, they are all massive athletes with serious power as soon as they arrive on the senior team and if they're not at the required level they won't be there. This cannot be underestimated, I don't think Meath or Kildare have matched that but I think they might be catching on with Meath bringing in Kinlough and Duke this year and getting Menton back. And yes, intelligence is needed too but a big part of these hammerings that Dublin hand out to teams in Leinster is that they bully teams and just blitz them with power, speed and strength. This has to be matched if you are to have a chance against them. NYRoyal (USA) - Posts: 38 - 09/04/2025 14:30:01 2601239 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "You're right, we'll never know. All we know is that teams have been within 1 point, 2 points, 3 points of Dublin in the Leinster championship numerous times since 2010, and that home advantage is worth at least that, if not more. We can't know what would have happened had Dublin played an important Leinster match outside of Dublin in the last 30 years.. because they haven't. Every single one has been in their back yard. We do know what happened when they played a league game in Newbridge. (1-12 0-12)." Again you are saying you know that home advantage would be worth 1, 2 or 3 points to a team in a particular match when you don't know that. Tell that to Cork who drew with Dublin in '83 in the A.I semi at Croker 2-11 to 2-11 and then in Pairc Uí Caoimh got their asses kicked by 11 points. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 868 - 09/04/2025 15:44:05 2601249 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Again you are saying you know that home advantage would be worth 1, 2 or 3 points to a team in a particular match when you don't know that. Tell that to Cork who drew with Dublin in '83 in the A.I semi at Croker 2-11 to 2-11 and then in Pairc Uí Caoimh got their asses kicked by 11 points." We do know that because teams play home and away games every year in the league Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 340 - 09/04/2025 21:42:23 2601304 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "We do know that because teams play home and away games every year in the league" League and championship, apples and oranges, the Dublin team since 2010 lost many a league game in Croker but a different story in the championship. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 868 - 10/04/2025 14:37:18 2601387 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Again you are saying you know that home advantage would be worth 1, 2 or 3 points to a team in a particular match when you don't know that. Tell that to Cork who drew with Dublin in '83 in the A.I semi at Croker 2-11 to 2-11 and then in Pairc Uí Caoimh got their asses kicked by 11 points." I never bought into the home advantage regarding ourselves. We played our 'home' games on the hallowed turf. It brings the best out of teams, and if anything, they try harder there, especially when playing Dublin. We tend to do ok when we have to travel in fairness. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8726 - 10/04/2025 21:57:37 2601448 Link
Replying To realdub: "I never bought into the home advantage regarding ourselves. We played our 'home' games on the hallowed turf. It brings the best out of teams, and if anything, they try harder there, especially when playing Dublin. We tend to do ok when we have to travel in fairness." You think teams play their best and try their hardest in Croke Park, versus say, getting a crack at the Dubs on their home ground? You're mad. Ye did well for a half in Tralee this year and badly in all other away games. As is the case with most teams, you tend to do far better at home than away. Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 340 - 10/04/2025 22:37:35 2601454 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Again you are saying you know that home advantage would be worth 1, 2 or 3 points to a team in a particular match when you don't know that. Tell that to Cork who drew with Dublin in '83 in the A.I semi at Croker 2-11 to 2-11 and then in Pairc Uí Caoimh got their asses kicked by 11 points." Of course he knows that! Why? because everyone with any basic understanding of sport knows that.. its proven in every league or knock out competition on the planet, gaa included..The fact you had to go back almost 45 years for an example that favours your point, is in fact, just proving his.. It's hard to believe anyone would claim "home advantage" is actually not an advantage. Jesus wept, I hope you're on a wind up.. cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 167 - 11/04/2025 00:55:55 2601463 Link
Replying To cuttothebone: "Of course he knows that! Why? because everyone with any basic understanding of sport knows that.. its proven in every league or knock out competition on the planet, gaa included..The fact you had to go back almost 45 years for an example that favours your point, is in fact, just proving his.. It's hard to believe anyone would claim "home advantage" is actually not an advantage. Jesus wept, I hope you're on a wind up.." Not on a wind up at all and maybe if you read more slowly or read twice you will not make claims that I said something that I didn't say. Specifically I never said that playing at home is not advantageous in general. The other Kildare poster assessed home advantage as being worth 3pts to the home team and extrapolated from that to claim Dublin would have lost two or three Leinster championship games if they were playing away as they only won these two/three games in Croker by 1 or 2 pts. While I agree that a home tie is generally an advantage I'm saying you cannot apply a generality to a particular game. So now if you read my post again you might notice that I specifically used the word "particular". sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 868 - 11/04/2025 11:30:43 2601487 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Not on a wind up at all and maybe if you read more slowly or read twice you will not make claims that I said something that I didn't say. Specifically I never said that playing at home is not advantageous in general. The other Kildare poster assessed home advantage as being worth 3pts to the home team and extrapolated from that to claim Dublin would have lost two or three Leinster championship games if they were playing away as they only won these two/three games in Croker by 1 or 2 pts. While I agree that a home tie is generally an advantage I'm saying you cannot apply a generality to a particular game. So now if you read my post again you might notice that I specifically used the word "particular"." No you can't apply a generalisation to a particular game but allow me to do so anyways. We'd have beaten ye in 2011 had that game been in Newbridge. I'm not saying any team in Leinster would have beaten Dublin while they went on their run of all irelands, that was the best team of all time.. but for years we watched the Dubs and every other province give out about the rest of Leinster, while this glaring flaw in the competitions fairness was plain to see. Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 340 - 11/04/2025 11:42:51 2601488 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Whatever about Dublin, money etc surely to God Meath and Kildare could at least be at the same level over the last decade as small Counties like Ros and Monaghan!" I think you're right - though maybe a little bit harsh in that 2 years ago Kildare beat Roscommon by a point before losing to Monaghan by a point. Last year Meath lost to Monaghan by a goal. Even still - its a fair enough point; both Meath and Kildare should be better. The main thing this shows is the importance of having a provincial championship to aim for. Throughout the time that the money pumped into Dublin was helping to set them up with the best team seen in GAA - Monaghan and Roscommon were able to aim for and win provincial championships. This can't be understated. Kildare and Meath were aiming to be the best of the rest in Leinster and there's not trophy for that. This had a big impact in Kildare - with a lot more kids playing Soccer and Rugby than football. I've made the point on there that Kildare have produced more Irish internationals in both Rugby and Soccer than All Stars this century. I do think the corner has been turned; with a lot more focus on the underage structures in the county and has been seen in the underage levels and indeed coming though with the hurlers. The last excuse we had was Dublin being given home advantage for every Semi-Final in Leinster; this is gone too. So no more excuses. Its time to step up and see the playing field level on the pitch. I think we're going to see a few great years in the Leinster championship starting this year. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 420 - 11/04/2025 12:29:27 2601497 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "No you can't apply a generalisation to a particular game but allow me to do so anyways. We'd have beaten ye in 2011 had that game been in Newbridge. I'm not saying any team in Leinster would have beaten Dublin while they went on their run of all irelands, that was the best team of all time.. but for years we watched the Dubs and every other province give out about the rest of Leinster, while this glaring flaw in the competitions fairness was plain to see." I respect your opinion that Kildare would have won a game in Newbridge, a game that didn't take place, so as Paul Brady says "the answer is, nobody knows" sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 868 - 11/04/2025 13:15:52 2601505 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "You cannot guarantee that Dublin would not have won those semis outside Croker because you don't know! Maybe I could guarantee that Dublin would have beaten Meath in 2010 if the game was outside Croker and then we would be going for 21 in a row this year, but I can't because I don't know. The Dubs since 2011 and indeed for a few years before that were more than capable of beating any Leinster team at any venue, would they have, I don't know but I do know those Dublin teams were head and shoulders above any Leinster opponents." The last time the Dubs lost a Leinster Championship match outside of Croke Park was in 1981 when Laois beat them in Tullamore at the semi-final stage. Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 1014 - 12/04/2025 06:31:24 2601557 Link
Replying To hyperache: "The fact that absolutely nothing has come of Kildare's underage success over the last 5/10 years is absolutely damning. There's something seriously amiss with the structure and set up. 2 All Ireland U20 teams (2018, 2023), another team that reached a final (2022) - and a couple of decent minor teams who won a Leinster championship and were beaten Leinster finalists a few time. Now those 2023 U20 players are probably still coming through an can improve, but the foundations are certainly there. It seems to happen to Meath too, very competitive at underage level, beating the likes of Dublin, but by the time the same group comes through to Senior level, the Dublin players seem to be miles ahead. Something gets lost in that transition from underage to Senior. Part of it is probably the cultural aspect of joining a winning team and being able to integrate with less expectations. over the last 10 years, Dublin have been able to bring in youngsters almost under the radar, and by the time they were 22/23, they have 2 All Irelands and have developed." Kildare produce machine type footballers. Athletic lads with lack of ball skills. Meath produce more natural ballers. LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 164 - 15/04/2025 09:56:29 2601989 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "No you can't apply a generalisation to a particular game but allow me to do so anyways. We'd have beaten ye in 2011 had that game been in Newbridge. I'm not saying any team in Leinster would have beaten Dublin while they went on their run of all irelands, that was the best team of all time.. but for years we watched the Dubs and every other province give out about the rest of Leinster, while this glaring flaw in the competitions fairness was plain to see." that kildare always filled their togs against the dubs. LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 164 - 15/04/2025 10:01:55 2601992 Link
kildare "united nations" beat the dubs in 1998 & 2000 with Brian Lacey(Tipp), Karl O'Dwyer(Kerry),Brian Murphy(Cork), Cathal Sheridan(Meath) and Gavin Keane(Waterford). LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 164 - 15/04/2025 10:05:00 2601995 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "You think teams play their best and try their hardest in Croke Park, versus say, getting a crack at the Dubs on their home ground? You're mad. Ye did well for a half in Tralee this year and badly in all other away games. As is the case with most teams, you tend to do far better at home than away." Not mad mate, going on my experience i always thought Croker brought the best out of teams. Regarding ourselves, we've a pretty good record outside of croker up until recently, but we're not half as good as we were. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8726 - 15/04/2025 13:55:58 2602052 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "No you can't apply a generalisation to a particular game but allow me to do so anyways. We'd have beaten ye in 2011 had that game been in Newbridge. I'm not saying any team in Leinster would have beaten Dublin while they went on their run of all irelands, that was the best team of all time.. but for years we watched the Dubs and every other province give out about the rest of Leinster, while this glaring flaw in the competitions fairness was plain to see." You'd have beaten us in 2011 if it had of been in Newbridge? How do you make that out? realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8726 - 15/04/2025 13:58:05 2602053 Link
Replying To realdub: "You'd have beaten us in 2011 if it had of been in Newbridge? How do you make that out?" All other things being equal - Kildare would have got the home town decision instead of Dublin. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 420 - 16/04/2025 13:06:16 2602216 Link