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Yeah there's definitely a recent uptick in the amount of obvious multi-username posters. You can only take them at face-value though. Pointless trying to identify them or understand why. Clearly there isn't much going on in their lives. Better that they're doing it relatively harmlessly on here than the loopers who do it on FB or X
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12332
Tomsmith here from Cavan
Breffni 40 you are not one that should be talking down to other posters about Posting as you are generally negative to all things posted.
But back to the salient point about other big sports stealing a march on the Gaa . if you look at
Rugby.. a sport where people of a certain standing plays this sport and people from the New Zeland and Aussies come here not for the money on offer just to play the game.
Another sport main aim is to get a young lad transferred to another Country and get big money
Shall I go on naw naw
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4044 - 11/05/2025 10:34:04
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Tomsmith here
I see lesser attended Sports seem to have a few Jurno's and aTv Staion on board in relation to promoting what is on offer. by Sports other than Gaa
I would think that the Anglo Celt is one of the best Provincial papers for promoting our National game Some of the National papers and one of the Red tops dwell on the negative aspect of the Gaa
The pay for play brigade seems to get a lot of publicity every time these fellows raise their heads
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4044 - 20/05/2025 14:44:14
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Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here
I see lesser attended Sports seem to have a few Jurno's and aTv Staion on board in relation to promoting what is on offer. by Sports other than Gaa
I would think that the Anglo Celt is one of the best Provincial papers for promoting our National game Some of the National papers and one of the Red tops dwell on the negative aspect of the Gaa
The pay for play brigade seems to get a lot of publicity every time these fellows raise their heads" Cool story bro.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2362 - 20/05/2025 17:11:03
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Replying To Bon: " Replying To Commodore: "I disagree, I think if you were to pull the stats for Irish Rugby players who play for the major clubs, Provinces or Ireland, the majority attended private or semi-private schools.
Then look at Schools Rugby competitions (See sample below), the majority are private or semi-privates schools.
Leinster Schools Rugby Senior league
- Blackrock College
- Belvedere College
- Castleknock College
- St Mary's College, Dublin
- Terenure College
- St Michael's College, Dublin
- Newbridge College
- Wesley College
- St Gerards School, Bray
- The Kings Hospital
- Clongowes Wood College
- Gonzaga College
- C.B.C Monkstown
- Kilkenny College
- Cistercian College, Roscrea
- St Fintan's High School - Dublin
- Temple Carrig School
Munster Schools Rugby Senior Cup
- Presentation Brothers College, Cork
- Christian Brothers College, Cork
- Rockwell College, Cashel
- Crescent College, Limerick
- St Mulchin's College, Limerick
- Limerick CBS
- The Abbey, Tipperary
- Castletroy College, Limerick
- Glenstal Abbey, Limerick
Maybe Munster has some exceptions, but elsewhere in Ireland in terms of participation, Rugby has been largely driven from private or semi-private schools. Rugby has been for generations one of the sports of British upper class, and that was extended across the Colonial domains via the more exclusive schools etc." Well if the blazer fits- wear it"
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2349-2
Tomsmith here
Yes Bon when you have achieved the status of a senior poster ( yes North of 4000 posts ) you learn to have informative / educational posts and last but not least Posts that all people understand and value.
I have in the past said that our National Game is poorly advertised by some sections of the media in Ireland. but a few like Hoganstand do tremendous work in promoting our National game each week .
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4044 - 26/05/2025 10:07:43
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Replying To tomsmith: " Replying To Bon: "[quote=Commodore: "I disagree, I think if you were to pull the stats for Irish Rugby players who play for the major clubs, Provinces or Ireland, the majority attended private or semi-private schools.
Then look at Schools Rugby competitions (See sample below), the majority are private or semi-privates schools.
Leinster Schools Rugby Senior league
- Blackrock College
- Belvedere College
- Castleknock College
- St Mary's College, Dublin
- Terenure College
- St Michael's College, Dublin
- Newbridge College
- Wesley College
- St Gerards School, Bray
- The Kings Hospital
- Clongowes Wood College
- Gonzaga College
- C.B.C Monkstown
- Kilkenny College
- Cistercian College, Roscrea
- St Fintan's High School - Dublin
- Temple Carrig School
Munster Schools Rugby Senior Cup
- Presentation Brothers College, Cork
- Christian Brothers College, Cork
- Rockwell College, Cashel
- Crescent College, Limerick
- St Mulchin's College, Limerick
- Limerick CBS
- The Abbey, Tipperary
- Castletroy College, Limerick
- Glenstal Abbey, Limerick
Maybe Munster has some exceptions, but elsewhere in Ireland in terms of participation, Rugby has been largely driven from private or semi-private schools. Rugby has been for generations one of the sports of British upper class, and that was extended across the Colonial domains via the more exclusive schools etc." Well if the blazer fits- wear it"
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2349-2
Tomsmith here
Yes Bon when you have achieved the status of a senior poster ( yes North of 4000 posts ) you learn to have informative / educational posts and last but not least Posts that all people understand and value.
I have in the past said that our National Game is poorly advertised by some sections of the media in Ireland. but a few like Hoganstand do tremendous work in promoting our National game each week ."]I'd say they were intelligent posts
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2362 - 27/05/2025 13:20:02
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Replying To Bon: " Replying To tomsmith: "[quote=Bon: "[quote=Commodore: "I disagree, I think if you were to pull the stats for Irish Rugby players who play for the major clubs, Provinces or Ireland, the majority attended private or semi-private schools.
Then look at Schools Rugby competitions (See sample below), the majority are private or semi-privates schools.
Leinster Schools Rugby Senior league
- Blackrock College
- Belvedere College
- Castleknock College
- St Mary's College, Dublin
- Terenure College
- St Michael's College, Dublin
- Newbridge College
- Wesley College
- St Gerards School, Bray
- The Kings Hospital
- Clongowes Wood College
- Gonzaga College
- C.B.C Monkstown
- Kilkenny College
- Cistercian College, Roscrea
- St Fintan's High School - Dublin
- Temple Carrig School
Munster Schools Rugby Senior Cup
- Presentation Brothers College, Cork
- Christian Brothers College, Cork
- Rockwell College, Cashel
- Crescent College, Limerick
- St Mulchin's College, Limerick
- Limerick CBS
- The Abbey, Tipperary
- Castletroy College, Limerick
- Glenstal Abbey, Limerick
Maybe Munster has some exceptions, but elsewhere in Ireland in terms of participation, Rugby has been largely driven from private or semi-private schools. Rugby has been for generations one of the sports of British upper class, and that was extended across the Colonial domains via the more exclusive schools etc." Well if the blazer fits- wear it"
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2349-2
Tomsmith here
Yes Bon when you have achieved the status of a senior poster ( yes North of 4000 posts ) you learn to have informative / educational posts and last but not least Posts that all people understand and value.
I have in the past said that our National Game is poorly advertised by some sections of the media in Ireland. but a few like Hoganstand do tremendous work in promoting our National game each week ."]I'd say they were intelligent posts"].
He announced last December he was retiring from posting on here.
It was one of his more accurate posts (and he's still posting).
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5257 - 27/05/2025 14:23:40
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I have been saying this for a long time. The GAA really needs to up the ante on marketing the games as it is up against global sports that have no end of finances, or coverage. In the 2010's they pumped a lot of money trying to market it in America. When I was a kid you'd see billboards around, the media would be wall to wall coverage, none of that anymore. You have to go looking for what games are on now. it is like they believe tradition will carry it on alone, I train kids under 10's, we have about 30 all of them bar 1 kid, their parents played in some capacity, we don't get kids joining who are on the fringe or parents aren't into sports they'll gravitate to what's on telly or being marketed and that's rugby or soccer. The area I grew up in, in Tallaght was a hurling pocket, we could field 4 hurling teams in street leagues with no club, now hardly anyone plays if anyone at all. Soccer has completely taken over there.
brookerbruiser (Dublin) - Posts: 11 - 27/05/2025 17:17:12
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Replying To brookerbruiser: "I have been saying this for a long time. The GAA really needs to up the ante on marketing the games as it is up against global sports that have no end of finances, or coverage. In the 2010's they pumped a lot of money trying to market it in America. When I was a kid you'd see billboards around, the media would be wall to wall coverage, none of that anymore. You have to go looking for what games are on now. it is like they believe tradition will carry it on alone, I train kids under 10's, we have about 30 all of them bar 1 kid, their parents played in some capacity, we don't get kids joining who are on the fringe or parents aren't into sports they'll gravitate to what's on telly or being marketed and that's rugby or soccer. The area I grew up in, in Tallaght was a hurling pocket, we could field 4 hurling teams in street leagues with no club, now hardly anyone plays if anyone at all. Soccer has completely taken over there." Interest has been declining for years. There's probably a lot of factors:
Split Season: it's killing interest in the game; less people watching and attending. This needs to be fixed fast.
Paywall: GAA+ would be great to show extra games and provide additional coverage but shouldn't be given a main package. Only one match on RTE this weekend. There should be a Saturday evening game free to air along with 2 free to air on Sundays. GAA+ would still be great value showing extra games.
Competitiveness: it's not good for the game to have one team dominating all the time. A Louth Meath Leinster final brings a lot more interest than a Dublin procession. We should encourage more even country team preparation across the board.
Youth Outreach: Plenty of clubs are doing great work but some could use more help. In some areas we need to put coaches in to coach the coach.
Neutral grounds: More home games please. Brings a great buzz to the area. This could be the secret sauce in the Munster hurling championship.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 450 - 29/05/2025 11:30:35
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Replying To brianb: "Interest has been declining for years. There's probably a lot of factors:
Split Season: it's killing interest in the game; less people watching and attending. This needs to be fixed fast.
Paywall: GAA+ would be great to show extra games and provide additional coverage but shouldn't be given a main package. Only one match on RTE this weekend. There should be a Saturday evening game free to air along with 2 free to air on Sundays. GAA+ would still be great value showing extra games.
Competitiveness: it's not good for the game to have one team dominating all the time. A Louth Meath Leinster final brings a lot more interest than a Dublin procession. We should encourage more even country team preparation across the board.
Youth Outreach: Plenty of clubs are doing great work but some could use more help. In some areas we need to put coaches in to coach the coach.
Neutral grounds: More home games please. Brings a great buzz to the area. This could be the secret sauce in the Munster hurling championship." The GAA own their broadcast rights and GAA+. If they can make money selling more subscriptions for big games, which should have good attendances, why would they give RTE TV the rights to broadcast those games?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8032 - 29/05/2025 13:17:21
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I wouldn't say they've stolen a March, more along the lines of we handed it to them.
The GAA owned and dominated the summer months in Ireland and we basically gave it up.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/declan-lee-jim-gavin-looks-like-the-ideal-man-to-sort-out-gaas-waning-popularity-and-the-split-season-logjam/a1656488947.html
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1512 - 29/05/2025 14:25:18
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Replying To tearintom: "I wouldn't say they've stolen a March, more along the lines of we handed it to them.
The GAA owned and dominated the summer months in Ireland and we basically gave it up.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/declan-lee-jim-gavin-looks-like-the-ideal-man-to-sort-out-gaas-waning-popularity-and-the-split-season-logjam/a1656488947.html" At least a couple of things in that article don't stand up to scrutiny.
First is how he blames reduced attendances in the early rounds on lack of jeopardy - saying it's not like the old days, when you knew your team could be gone after just one match, and so you "had" to be there. But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
Second is how he bemoans how more people couldn't see Meath beating Dublin in the Leinster semi-final since it wasn't on TV. But remember the other matches that were on the same day: Donegal v Down in Ulster Football, and both Waterford v Clare and Cork v Tipperary in Munster Hurling.
On the assumption there'd still be at least one and possibly two of those matches on the same day, no matter what system was used, what TV station would choose in advance to show what was an expected routine victory for Dublin, over what promised to be much more close and more entertaining matches elsewhere?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2897 - 29/05/2025 16:06:17
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Replying To Pikeman96: "At least a couple of things in that article don't stand up to scrutiny.
First is how he blames reduced attendances in the early rounds on lack of jeopardy - saying it's not like the old days, when you knew your team could be gone after just one match, and so you "had" to be there. But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
Second is how he bemoans how more people couldn't see Meath beating Dublin in the Leinster semi-final since it wasn't on TV. But remember the other matches that were on the same day: Donegal v Down in Ulster Football, and both Waterford v Clare and Cork v Tipperary in Munster Hurling.
On the assumption there'd still be at least one and possibly two of those matches on the same day, no matter what system was used, what TV station would choose in advance to show what was an expected routine victory for Dublin, over what promised to be much more close and more entertaining matches elsewhere?" Is he just blinkered and sees only Dublin and Croke Park.
Fine crowds at many matches last month or so.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2363 - 29/05/2025 16:36:14
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Replying To Pikeman96: "At least a couple of things in that article don't stand up to scrutiny.
First is how he blames reduced attendances in the early rounds on lack of jeopardy - saying it's not like the old days, when you knew your team could be gone after just one match, and so you "had" to be there. But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
Second is how he bemoans how more people couldn't see Meath beating Dublin in the Leinster semi-final since it wasn't on TV. But remember the other matches that were on the same day: Donegal v Down in Ulster Football, and both Waterford v Clare and Cork v Tipperary in Munster Hurling.
On the assumption there'd still be at least one and possibly two of those matches on the same day, no matter what system was used, what TV station would choose in advance to show what was an expected routine victory for Dublin, over what promised to be much more close and more entertaining matches elsewhere?" But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
100% I want to see a knockout football championship and jeopardy games. The sole reason for giving second and third chances for 'bigger' counties is to create more television and media-related revenue for the GAA. The auld 'sure it's not fair they'll be out after one game' is a load of rubbish. Adult intercounty footballers, even in 2025, can definitely cope with going out of the Championship after losing a game. The GAA brought this scheduling arrangement, or lack of it, on themselves and with more games and more games on different live platforms, can't hope to sustain average attendances. Less games, more jeopardy, hopefully bigger crowds and a better TV watch, please. I won't hold my breath.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8032 - 29/05/2025 16:37:43
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Replying To Pikeman96: "At least a couple of things in that article don't stand up to scrutiny.
First is how he blames reduced attendances in the early rounds on lack of jeopardy - saying it's not like the old days, when you knew your team could be gone after just one match, and so you "had" to be there. But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
Second is how he bemoans how more people couldn't see Meath beating Dublin in the Leinster semi-final since it wasn't on TV. But remember the other matches that were on the same day: Donegal v Down in Ulster Football, and both Waterford v Clare and Cork v Tipperary in Munster Hurling.
On the assumption there'd still be at least one and possibly two of those matches on the same day, no matter what system was used, what TV station would choose in advance to show what was an expected routine victory for Dublin, over what promised to be much more close and more entertaining matches elsewhere?" No I don't think anyone wants a return to straight knockout, I know I certainly don't. But I don't want to see championships over before summer even begins and fhe current system either personally speaking.
There has to be a rethink I feel And that rethink has to include a reduction in the amount of games particularly in the intercounty football championship and a realisation that we need to push back all ireland finals into August and stretch out the championships somewhat to give it room to breathe.
I was talking to our club manager last night asking him how we was fixed for start of fhe championships and he was listing out the fellas missing with holidays and those who had told him they were going to electric picnic! The reality is people are still organising things and going away in July and August anyway cos that's the months most people do so what's the point?
It's like we changed everything for the worse imho and it still doesn't matter and again yes that will mean in the likes of wexford we may have to reduce the amount of games rather than what we did in increasing the amount of games with zero jeopardy in the hurling championship.
I seen Larry Murphy bemoaning it, John Mullane, Peter Queally etc, we dint need rid of the split season but we do have to change and amend it imho, particularly if we are to take the promotion of hurling in any way seriously.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1512 - 29/05/2025 16:58:15
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Replying To GreenandRed: "But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
100% I want to see a knockout football championship and jeopardy games. The sole reason for giving second and third chances for 'bigger' counties is to create more television and media-related revenue for the GAA. The auld 'sure it's not fair they'll be out after one game' is a load of rubbish. Adult intercounty footballers, even in 2025, can definitely cope with going out of the Championship after losing a game. The GAA brought this scheduling arrangement, or lack of it, on themselves and with more games and more games on different live platforms, can't hope to sustain average attendances. Less games, more jeopardy, hopefully bigger crowds and a better TV watch, please. I won't hold my breath." First off, I'm considering hurling more than football. The current football structures at least mean that 12 of the top counties will be playing until the weekend of June 21/22. Eight more will be playing in the Tailteann Cup until the same time. On the other hand, all the emphasis this week is on how the likes of Lee Chin (Wexford), Stephen Bennett (Waterford) and Shane O'Donnell and Tony Kelly (Clare) won't be seen in inter-county action again this year.
But thing is, a return to knock-out or a one-chance-backdoor means they might only be seen once or twice in a year anyway. And the same would apply to football.
I happen to agree that a large part of the issue is that inter-county competitions have become too bloated, with all sorts of round-robins and back doors (I'm referring to Minor & Under-20 as well as Senior). But I'm not sure that a return to "the real old way" is the solution.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2897 - 29/05/2025 17:01:53
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100% I want to see a knockout football championship and jeopardy games. The sole reason for giving second and third chances for 'bigger' counties is to create more television and media-related revenue for the GAA. The auld 'sure it's not fair they'll be out after one game' is a load of rubbish. Adult intercounty footballers, even in 2025, can definitely cope with going out of the Championship after losing a game. The GAA brought this scheduling arrangement, or lack of it, on themselves and with more games and more games on different live platforms, can't hope to sustain average attendances. Less games, more jeopardy, hopefully bigger crowds and a better TV watch, please. I won't hold my breath." First off, I'm considering hurling more than football. The current football structures at least mean that 12 of the top counties will be playing until the weekend of June 21/22. Eight more will be playing in the Tailteann Cup until the same time. On the other hand, all the emphasis this week is on how the likes of Lee Chin (Wexford), Stephen Bennett (Waterford) and Shane O'Donnell and Tony Kelly (Clare) won't be seen in inter-county action again this year. But thing is, a return to knock-out or a one-chance-backdoor means they might only be seen once or twice in a year anyway. And the same would apply to football. I happen to agree that a large part of the issue is that inter-county competitions have become too bloated, with all sorts of round-robins and back doors (I'm referring to Minor & Under-20 as well as Senior). But I'm not sure that a return to "the real old way" is the solution."
In gaa players especially at minor and under 20 are expected to play for far too many teams and train for all of them on top of that.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3761 - 29/05/2025 18:29:50
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Replying To Pikeman96: " Replying To GreenandRed: "But does anybody really want to go back to straight knock-out, or at best, one back-door opportunity, such that you could be gone anyway after only two matches?
100% I want to see a knockout football championship and jeopardy games. The sole reason for giving second and third chances for 'bigger' counties is to create more television and media-related revenue for the GAA. The auld 'sure it's not fair they'll be out after one game' is a load of rubbish. Adult intercounty footballers, even in 2025, can definitely cope with going out of the Championship after losing a game. The GAA brought this scheduling arrangement, or lack of it, on themselves and with more games and more games on different live platforms, can't hope to sustain average attendances. Less games, more jeopardy, hopefully bigger crowds and a better TV watch, please. I won't hold my breath." First off, I'm considering hurling more than football. The current football structures at least mean that 12 of the top counties will be playing until the weekend of June 21/22. Eight more will be playing in the Tailteann Cup until the same time. On the other hand, all the emphasis this week is on how the likes of Lee Chin (Wexford), Stephen Bennett (Waterford) and Shane O'Donnell and Tony Kelly (Clare) won't be seen in inter-county action again this year. But thing is, a return to knock-out or a one-chance-backdoor means they might only be seen once or twice in a year anyway. And the same would apply to football. I happen to agree that a large part of the issue is that inter-county competitions have become too bloated, with all sorts of round-robins and back doors (I'm referring to Minor & Under-20 as well as Senior). But I'm not sure that a return to "the real old way" is the solution."
Then 9 games over the next 8 weeks.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2363 - 29/05/2025 18:45:55
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The GAA own their broadcast rights and GAA+. If they can make money selling more subscriptions for big games, which should have good attendances, why would they give RTE TV the rights to broadcast those games?" They could sell the rights to RTE, TV3 or TG4. BBC NI might be interested in taking a package.
Putting most of the games on GAA+ hides them from people.
There are around 130 intercounty senior championship matches on. 31 games will be shown Free to air. 40 will be behind a pay wall. Meaning over 50 games aren't shown.
I'd suggest that most of the games behind the paywall move into free to air. GAA+ should strive to show as many of the 50 games not shown as far as possible.
Every GAA weekend should have a Saturday evening game and a 2pm and 4pm game free to air.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 450 - 30/05/2025 12:56:39
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Replying To brianb: "They could sell the rights to RTE, TV3 or TG4. BBC NI might be interested in taking a package.
Putting most of the games on GAA+ hides them from people.
There are around 130 intercounty senior championship matches on. 31 games will be shown Free to air. 40 will be behind a pay wall. Meaning over 50 games aren't shown.
I'd suggest that most of the games behind the paywall move into free to air. GAA+ should strive to show as many of the 50 games not shown as far as possible.
Every GAA weekend should have a Saturday evening game and a 2pm and 4pm game free to air." I'm not saying they're right or wrong having as many games on GAA+. But it probably makes business sense for them to do it, try and expand their subscription and advertisements base. They can also look after the quality of their programmes which, for me, are better than what RTE TV do. RTE radio's GAA coverage is very good. There is no free to air television in Ireland if your paying for a mandatory TV licence. You have a choice if you want to subscribe to GAA+, Sky Sports, TNT, Netflix, Disney, etc. On top of the licence most of us pay a provider to connect to RTE, Virgin Media and TG4, unless you have Saorview. Scrapping the TV licence and using the revenue that government takes in from Broadcast and Internet activities to fund RTE could be a way to go and people could decide if they want to use the money saved to subscribe to various services.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8032 - 30/05/2025 13:24:22
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100% I want to see a knockout football championship and jeopardy games. The sole reason for giving second and third chances for 'bigger' counties is to create more television and media-related revenue for the GAA. The auld 'sure it's not fair they'll be out after one game' is a load of rubbish. Adult intercounty footballers, even in 2025, can definitely cope with going out of the Championship after losing a game. The GAA brought this scheduling arrangement, or lack of it, on themselves and with more games and more games on different live platforms, can't hope to sustain average attendances. Less games, more jeopardy, hopefully bigger crowds and a better TV watch, please. I won't hold my breath." Another big part of the problem with so many second chances is that the very strong counties are harder for a weaker county to beat twice. And very hard to beat 3 or 4 times. The current systems in both hurling and football are definitely helping the strongest counties.
It also diminishes the League. The League was the League, and the Championship was the Championship. Now the Championship is more of a League than a real Championship.
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