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Agree with that except I'd have it 10 12 10. Play each other once in a league format and top 4 or 6 advance to a finals series like aussie rules in each div. Have a secondary knock out cup competition before hand or during the league championship itself with 32 teams all in a hat
boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 218 - 13/04/2025 11:31:01 2601673 Link 0 |
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With the likes of Donegal v Derry, Tyrone v Cavan, Cork v Kerry, Galway v Roscommon and Donegal v Monaghan of little relevance to All Ireland qualification already - having provincial championships as standalone isn't entirely a big leap. The current provincial championships seem to be relying more on the desire to win the championships with low relevance to the All Ireland picture. Possibly somewhere down the line there will be a 3 year trial.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8679 - 13/04/2025 11:50:11 2601675 Link 0 |
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I proposed a three-tier AIC (8-12-8, bottom 4 eliminated) at the end of my AILC structure. Season starts with a league, two-tiers of 16, incorporating 'intra-tier' Prov KO ties. Teams placed top 8, 9-20, 21-28 to AIC tiers 1,2,3. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3185 - 13/04/2025 20:20:48 2601730 Link 0 |
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Is there anyvway you could make it more complicated? !!!!!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2218 - 13/04/2025 23:43:34 2601760 Link 0 |
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No need to crack a nut with a sledgehammer! Cork v Kerry and Galway v Roscommon are just missing a bit of jeopardy. Winning should be sealing All Ireland qualification. Losing meaning the potential banana skin of a playoff. A bit of jeopardy.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8679 - 14/04/2025 11:39:23 2601814 Link 0 |
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In my AILC, winning Cork/Kerry or Galw/Rosc Prov ties contributes to AIC qualification - like in UEFA, league placing determines which of three competitions you qualify for - UCL, UEL or UcfL - or none at all. Winning a Prov title is like Ireland winning rugby's 2025 Triple Crown, while falling short of the ultimate prize. Was it worth winning then - or did we fail? - it can remain in the "eye of the beholder". No need for that sledgehammer ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 3185 - 14/04/2025 15:35:54 2601876 Link 0 |
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Ok but could it just be that the qualifiers should be altered. Like you could have round 1 being 3 from Leinster, 1 from Ulster, 2 each from Connacht and Munster. 4 teams knocked out. Round 2: 4 round 1 winners, 20 other teams that didn't win their Province. 12 ties , those teams join the All Ireland last 16. Last 16 straight knockout. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4457 - 14/04/2025 18:54:29 2601908 Link 0 |
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Tailteann Cup???
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2218 - 14/04/2025 19:34:20 2601921 Link 0 |
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I agree with a lot of that. Munster and Connacht have two provincial rounds to make a final. Ulster and Leinster have three provincial rounds to make a final. Counties knocked out of Provincial Rounds 1 and 2 from the 4 provinces should be treated similarly. Provincial Round 1: 9 losers QUALIFIER ROUND 1: 8 Provincial Round 1 losers. 1 bye based on league ranking to Q2. Provincial Round 2: 12 losers QUALIFIER ROUND 2: 11 PR2 losers and 5 Q1 winners. 1 bye based on league ranking to Q3. Provincial Round 3: 4 losers (after Leinster and Ulster semi finals). QUALIFIER ROUND 3: 3 PR3 losers and 9 Q1 winners. 1 bye based on league ranking to AI. The above can be altered slightly depending on how the Tailteann winner progress in the province. The All Ireland and the Tailteann can still be double elimination format or whatever else suits and is agreeable! All qualifying rounds should use league seeding. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8679 - 14/04/2025 21:17:26 2601944 Link 0 |
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Simply there will be no dead rubbers or one sided games because teams won't want to be relegated back to Intermediate or Junior & teams at top off groups will be going to try get straight through to a semi final. 2nd & 3rd in each group play in Quarter Finals. Realistically only between 10 to 12 teams are competing in the All Ireland Series so why have teams in it who don't have a chance. Have them at Intermediate or Junior level & let the Gaa support them to improve over the years so they can compete when they win an Intermediate All Ireland people always saying teams need to be playing the big teams more often when 99% off them get hammered every year.
Manutd1993 (Longford) - Posts: 2 - 14/04/2025 23:33:11 2601960 Link 1 |
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Whilst it's probably been more of a success than I expected I think the Tailteann cup wasn't actually the solution to the problems with the season. The league could be an important competition as is for the lower level teams and shouldn't be played in February and March. I also think the big issue with the old qualifiers system was that the back door rounds were too numerous. Antrim, or say a Leinster team not making their final, had 3 or 4 rounds to negotiate before rejoining the main pack. You have this down to 1 or 2 rounds to get to a last 16 knockout match. It might actually generate some excitement. Having said all that it wouldn't be my preferred system but I could see why it could also be good for the game. Mostly I think the GAA needs to pick a direction and just go with it. If we want a knockout style championship I don't think it should be tiered and something along these lines could be workable. If they wanted to go more league based there's a strong argument for decoupling from the Provincials and just going with 3 divisions of 12, 10, 10. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4457 - 15/04/2025 10:34:09 2602006 Link 0 |
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This makes the most sense, we're currently caught between wanting more guaranteed meaninful games, and lacking the jeopardy of championship. If you were going with a league-based system, would it make sense to combine your 12-10-10 with provincials, by running provincials like the triple crown in rugby? (@omahant, I think that's your "double up" system?) It would keep the provincial pride, but wouldn't put extra games onto teams Ciaran359 (Galway) - Posts: 22 - 15/04/2025 11:21:32 2602016 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't double up. Suppose Armagh had a Preliminary round Ulster championship game with Fermanagh with the winner emerging to play Cavan, with neither Fermanagh nor Cavan in Armagh's tier, they'd be way better just focusing on their All Ireland fixtures. I'd think Provincial derbies in a 12 team championship would be a big draw. Say you'd 5 Ulster teams in their, 10 of your fixtures would be those derbies. Give Provincial councils a share of gate receipts depending on participating teams and keep them happy. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4457 - 15/04/2025 11:55:05 2602023 Link 0 |
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'Realistically only between 10 to 12 teams are competing in the All Ireland Series so why have teams in it who don't have a chance.' 'Realistically'? Maybe we just get AI to pick the best 2 for the season, go straight to the final, don't bother with a championship. Any county below the top 10 or 12 will have slimmer chance of improving if they can't play against a Super 12 team on a more regular basis. Armagh wouldn't have been a top 12 team for all of McGeeney's tenure. When there was a backdoor championship Tipperary, Fermanagh or Wexford wouldn't have even considered when predicting semi finalists in the years when they were. The GAA won't support Intermediate or Junior counties. They'll just pat them on the head, give them the consolation prize of a Tailteann Cup, tell them that they'll promote it better and pretty much ignore them after that while they put the 'big' games on television. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7890 - 15/04/2025 12:30:00 2602032 Link 0 |