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Buffers Alley into Intermediate A Football having only began kicking a ball with new rules in July and probably only trained a couple of times with the big ball all year.

Football is really at a low ebb in the county. Be interesting to see if they continue to not enter a team in the league.

ourballref (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 03/11/2025 07:46:43    2642739

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the football panel will be interesting after listening to hegerty talking to spratt, heard in park noone he has asked has turned him down, now i doubt thats true, we will now soon, were has the year gone?

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3024 - 03/11/2025 08:28:37    2642740

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Replying To beano:  "The senior may not have been a classic, but if was some team performance from Castletown. Shels completely off-kilter and let themselves down after the full time whistle. Ironic considering the worst challenge of the game came from them- just take your beating.

To a man, Castletown were excellent, Higgins the game changer again, but others pushed him for MOTM, especially young O'Hagan starting his first final. None of Shels big names really stood up, apart from Donohoe and Conor Hearne. They were too focused on hitting two-pointers in the first half, successful from only one. Castletown picked them apart with ease every time they turned the ball over.

Back-to-back titles and three in four years puts them down as one of the best club sides ever in terms of consistency, and they are the first team to retain on four different occasions.

Unbelievable weekend for the club with the junior B's winning too. Never seen indiscipline like it in the second half from Martins. Completely lost the head. Special mention to Colm Morris, surely one of the oldest ever goal scorers in a county final?"
Disappointing to read your post, you always seem to have good insights. Both sets of players and fans let themselves down here, I think you need to take off your maroon tinted glasses.

Also it is well know why St. Martins players lost there heads with one particular player, I'm sure that will come out later in the week so I wont be discussing here. Just to say I have no affliction to any of the clubs involved so looking at it from a neutral.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/11/2025 09:55:50    2642759

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Replying To ourballref:  "Buffers Alley into Intermediate A Football having only began kicking a ball with new rules in July and probably only trained a couple of times with the big ball all year.

Football is really at a low ebb in the county. Be interesting to see if they continue to not enter a team in the league."
Maybe they enjoy it asxa distraction . Instead of being constantly reminded of how far hurling has fallen down in their own club . They probably wont bother collecting the trophy .
Success at junior football may just give them a lift and help in some way to incresse their chances at the hurling nothing as bad as year after year busting a gut with no return . You cannot beat success to lift a clubs spirits in eithrr code.
You also have to remember its 4th division football they won playing against a lot of 2nd teams. Any decent level hurling team should be at least playing at inter A level football. Where fitness and some decent footballers will get you a long way and tatics/systems etc are not as prominent . 3 or 4 good footballers can carry a team .
Cloughbawn won inter A and also won their first round in leinster Junior championship dont imagine they played lot of football in training either. Just goes to show if they did, what they just might achieve. .
As regards lowest ebb i think both codes in the county are at low ebb . Hurling will always be number 1 but we are in a seriously precarious situation .
Hurling has the pick of the crop and if anyone is interested in playing county it will be their first choice .where as football prob does nt have the 35 best footballers in the county available hurling does .
Both codes put in huge effort but both dont get the same respect .
Some of hurlers on panel want to be someone or think they are someone whilst lads on football panel just want to be the best they can and love playing the game . Which would u want in your camp going to war . .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 490 - 03/11/2025 10:06:28    2642763

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "You've put no context to any of your post and blamed other teams as a Castletown supporter no doubt. Yes Shels started that row by as far as i saw but I understand the Castletown player that got hit had plenty to say to the said player. Yes supporters shouldn't be involved but also players shouldn't be saying stuff, I consider that to be the lowest of the low and both sides were throwing plenty of punches at the end, so for me both sides let themselves down.

Secondly the Martins sendings off in the junior b steamed from the player who got hit, for his previous few days antics before the game, with Ciaran Lyng not being allowed play. Again Martins shouldn't be hitting players but at least when you call out opposition teams, at least put some context to it.

And by the way, I don't support either team but I've been told the back story from those teams supporters of why those instances occurred."
I'll answer the second part first.

The Lyng incident was brought up by the county board itself, nothing to with Castletown.

Secondly, if Shels started the row, and someone ran in looking to do damage, I don't think its Castletown's fault if they ended up getting a comuppence. Stuff is said in every match in the country, doesn't mean it has to escalate.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1513 - 03/11/2025 11:02:27    2642775

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The Ciaran Lyng thing is a curious one. I'll start here by saying I've no connection to either club. But I have it on good authority that it was nothing to do with Castletown. In fact, it's said that the first Castletown knew of it was when somebody in St. Martin's called somebody there to give out about "ratting them out".

I believe the whole thing arose after somebody not directly connected with any club innocently asked a Co. Board official last week "how come Lyng is allowed to play Junior B this year, considering he played senior last year (in Wicklow)?". The answer was "he must have been regraded", and there is indeed provision to go back two steps - first go back one step at the start of the year, and then go back another step when further regrading is allowed after two rounds of the championship groups in Senior down to Junior A.

But when they went to check this, they discovered he'd never been regraded at all. An accidental and unfortunate oversight by St. Martin's, but absolutely in breach of the rules then to ever play him in Junior B in the first place.

Probably should have been caught earlier in the year and maybe questions to be asked about why it wasn't, but saying "he's after playing loads of times already, can you not let him play this time as well?" is like saying "ah Guard, you didn't catch me the last ten times I was speeding and holding my phone, so why are you fining me now?"

I'm told Castletown even indicated they wouldn't object to him playing. But the CCC decided they couldn't turn a blind eye to somebody playing illegally once they knew about it, particularly because another club was already sanctioned earlier in the year for fielding an illegal player.

Bottom line is that St. Martin's were absolutely wrong to ever let Lyng play Junior B at all since he hadn't been regraded, no matter how accidental that oversight was. If they had just quietly accepted the notice they got that he shouldn't play in the final, and just left him off the team and said he'd injured himself the day before or something, then there'd hardly be a word about it.

Instead, the whole county knows that St. Martin's were in breach of the rules but still thought they should be allowed to break the rules again. And Castletown are being accused of something which I believe they didn't do. It's a very unfortunate situation for both clubs.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3219 - 03/11/2025 13:55:50    2642817

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Replying To beano:  "I'll answer the second part first.

The Lyng incident was brought up by the county board itself, nothing to with Castletown.

Secondly, if Shels started the row, and someone ran in looking to do damage, I don't think its Castletown's fault if they ended up getting a comuppence. Stuff is said in every match in the country, doesn't mean it has to escalate."
See the guards are investigating, a teenager from the Shels I believe suffering facial injuries. I dont agree with the above, think both teams need to be looking at themselves, puts a bad look for Wexford football. https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gardai-investigating-after-teen-sustains-facial-injuries-in-brawl-after-wexford-football-final/a153731070.html

And the second part, Ciaran Lyng played all through the districts and championship and it was 'just brought up' at a county board meeting. Fair enough...., I'll leave it that.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 03/11/2025 14:07:39    2642821

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The Ciaran Lyng thing is a curious one. I'll start here by saying I've no connection to either club. But I have it on good authority that it was nothing to do with Castletown. In fact, it's said that the first Castletown knew of it was when somebody in St. Martin's called somebody there to give out about "ratting them out".

I believe the whole thing arose after somebody not directly connected with any club innocently asked a Co. Board official last week "how come Lyng is allowed to play Junior B this year, considering he played senior last year (in Wicklow)?". The answer was "he must have been regraded", and there is indeed provision to go back two steps - first go back one step at the start of the year, and then go back another step when further regrading is allowed after two rounds of the championship groups in Senior down to Junior A.

But when they went to check this, they discovered he'd never been regraded at all. An accidental and unfortunate oversight by St. Martin's, but absolutely in breach of the rules then to ever play him in Junior B in the first place.

Probably should have been caught earlier in the year and maybe questions to be asked about why it wasn't, but saying "he's after playing loads of times already, can you not let him play this time as well?" is like saying "ah Guard, you didn't catch me the last ten times I was speeding and holding my phone, so why are you fining me now?"

I'm told Castletown even indicated they wouldn't object to him playing. But the CCC decided they couldn't turn a blind eye to somebody playing illegally once they knew about it, particularly because another club was already sanctioned earlier in the year for fielding an illegal player.

Bottom line is that St. Martin's were absolutely wrong to ever let Lyng play Junior B at all since he hadn't been regraded, no matter how accidental that oversight was. If they had just quietly accepted the notice they got that he shouldn't play in the final, and just left him off the team and said he'd injured himself the day before or something, then there'd hardly be a word about it.

Instead, the whole county knows that St. Martin's were in breach of the rules but still thought they should be allowed to break the rules again. And Castletown are being accused of something which I believe they didn't do. It's a very unfortunate situation for both clubs."
Regardless of the grade is that normal protocol for illegal player/grading.... -Club play an illegal player all year that plays a huge part in getting them to a county final. Few days before county final county board find out and only sanction is on the player ? Jimmies and every other team that played Martins en route to final right to feel aggrieved.

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 190 - 03/11/2025 15:12:50    2642834

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "See the guards are investigating, a teenager from the Shels I believe suffering facial injuries. I dont agree with the above, think both teams need to be looking at themselves, puts a bad look for Wexford football. https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gardai-investigating-after-teen-sustains-facial-injuries-in-brawl-after-wexford-football-final/a153731070.html

And the second part, Ciaran Lyng played all through the districts and championship and it was 'just brought up' at a county board meeting. Fair enough...., I'll leave it that."
It wasn't brought up at a County Board meeting. As I've explained above, somebody with no connection at all just happened to ask a County Board officer, who then looked into it. That's a different thing altogether.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3219 - 03/11/2025 16:35:22    2642848

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Regardless of the grade is that normal protocol for illegal player/grading.... -Club play an illegal player all year that plays a huge part in getting them to a county final. Few days before county final county board find out and only sanction is on the player ? Jimmies and every other team that played Martins en route to final right to feel aggrieved."
Yup, darn tootin' that every other team they played has right to feel aggrieved.

Thing is, clubs normally have only three days to lodge an objection after a match if there's an issue with scorekeeping or anything like that. Without digging into the Rule Book right now, I presume same applies if they feel the opposition fielded an illegal player. So they'd all be out of time to lodge an objection at this stage.

Worth pointing out though that as things stand, there's no actual sanction against the player or club. Only thing that happened was that they were advised he shouldn't play. Presume it's still open to CCC to investigate and issue sanctions by way of suspensions/fines if they want to.. They wouldn't be bound by the three-day rule in the way the other clubs are.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3219 - 03/11/2025 16:40:13    2642849

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Been thinking hard about all this, what a mess

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17497 - 03/11/2025 18:06:07    2642862

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Can someone explain how the rules actually work? I always thought if you didn't feature for a clubs first team in any particular year you could play for second team after first round of champ is played? Is it different for transfers?

Longtimefirsttime (Wexford) - Posts: 10 - 03/11/2025 18:40:06    2642865

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Replying To Longtimefirsttime:  "Can someone explain how the rules actually work? I always thought if you didn't feature for a clubs first team in any particular year you could play for second team after first round of champ is played? Is it different for transfers?"
I am fairly sure you can only drop down 1 grade. So the next available lower grade. That was not Junior B in St.Martins case.

Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 228 - 03/11/2025 18:48:57    2642867

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Replying To Longtimefirsttime:  "Can someone explain how the rules actually work? I always thought if you didn't feature for a clubs first team in any particular year you could play for second team after first round of champ is played? Is it different for transfers?"
U can play for your 2nd team after your first team has playerd even if yiu played with ur 1st team in previous year .
But you cant play for your 3rd team if you played with 1st team.in previous year .
Problem with st Martins was it was their 3rd team and you cant skip the level ur 2nd team plays at .
Same would apply to hurling if he played hurling with his former clubs first team .
As regards how it came to fore i ve no idea . But there are many ways to put the word out without directly reporting it . Right word in the right fellas ear but please dont mention my name .
Guarantee someone will be checking out the hurling situation now too .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 490 - 03/11/2025 19:38:46    2642877

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Replying To Formertownie:  "U can play for your 2nd team after your first team has playerd even if yiu played with ur 1st team in previous year .
But you cant play for your 3rd team if you played with 1st team.in previous year .
Problem with st Martins was it was their 3rd team and you cant skip the level ur 2nd team plays at .
Same would apply to hurling if he played hurling with his former clubs first team .
As regards how it came to fore i ve no idea . But there are many ways to put the word out without directly reporting it . Right word in the right fellas ear but please dont mention my name .
Guarantee someone will be checking out the hurling situation now too ."
You can definitely go back two grades in a year according to the process I described above. Back one grade at the start of the year when everybody is regraded anyway, and then back another grade after two rounds of the championships, when some further regradings are allowed. I know of a case where this was done for a valid reason and it was all above board.

On your other point - hadn't occurred to me, but you're right that there's a possibility that somebody from Castletown mentioned it to somebody not connected with Castletown and asked that person to have "a quiet word" with somebody.

But that still doesn't change the fact that St. Martin's broke the rules and then got annoyed that they weren't allowed to continue breaking them. Surely that's not a good look for any club, and again, they could have avoided it if they just quietly left him off the team and said he was injured or something.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3219 - 03/11/2025 23:00:46    2642901

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Shels vs Castletown in the u21 this weekend should be tasty enough

btwex90 (Wexford) - Posts: 48 - 04/11/2025 09:36:06    2642917

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You can definitely go back two grades in a year according to the process I described above. Back one grade at the start of the year when everybody is regraded anyway, and then back another grade after two rounds of the championships, when some further regradings are allowed. I know of a case where this was done for a valid reason and it was all above board.

On your other point - hadn't occurred to me, but you're right that there's a possibility that somebody from Castletown mentioned it to somebody not connected with Castletown and asked that person to have "a quiet word" with somebody.

But that still doesn't change the fact that St. Martin's broke the rules and then got annoyed that they weren't allowed to continue breaking them. Surely that's not a good look for any club, and again, they could have avoided it if they just quietly left him off the team and said he was injured or something."
Totally agree they broke the rules and should hold their hands up i m not defending st martins . To think it would ve been ok to keep playing him stinks of arrogance . Be even worse uf they knew the situation from the very start . Say was more a social outing than any real ambition to have a decent 3rd team in football.
I dont know if any sanctions will be applied but dont think it can be swept under the carpet .
Prob lucky enough the situation at end of the county final will be the focus now.
You are def more up on the rules than myself but i definitely thought if you played 1st team in previous year you could nt go from first team to 3rd team regardless of regrading after 2nd round games . Dont the 3 players up for regrading get reviewed by c board after 2nd round and only sanctuined after that .
The player in question could played role with intermediates juniors never mind junior b.
For clarification was there an actual objection went in or just a word from someone to st martins to say you know this player is illegally particpating at junior b .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 490 - 04/11/2025 11:30:15    2642949

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You can definitely go back two grades in a year according to the process I described above. Back one grade at the start of the year when everybody is regraded anyway, and then back another grade after two rounds of the championships, when some further regradings are allowed. I know of a case where this was done for a valid reason and it was all above board.

On your other point - hadn't occurred to me, but you're right that there's a possibility that somebody from Castletown mentioned it to somebody not connected with Castletown and asked that person to have "a quiet word" with somebody.

But that still doesn't change the fact that St. Martin's broke the rules and then got annoyed that they weren't allowed to continue breaking them. Surely that's not a good look for any club, and again, they could have avoided it if they just quietly left him off the team and said he was injured or something."
I don't believe this is the case, I looked into for my club Senior down to Junior B and was told by County Board a player can not drop 2 grades in the one year. This was hurling but assume its same for football. St Anne's had to give away the points in Junior Hurling when the beat St Pat's in the first round as they forgot to regrade players from last year so in theory fielded ineligible players so were docked the points. Do agree that all teams the Martins beat on the way can feel aggrieved.

paddybull (Wexford) - Posts: 58 - 04/11/2025 11:51:03    2642957

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Replying To btwex90:  "Shels vs Castletown in the u21 this weekend should be tasty enough"
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1104/1542066-garda-probe-as-teen-hospitalised-after-wexford-final/

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/338409


Will it go ahead so close to what happened at the weekend.?

Fans should not be getting involved in on field fracas...

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4724 - 04/11/2025 12:33:56    2642961

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Don't think st martins played a illegal player on purpose, simple/ stupid mistake definitely. But Castletown more than likely spread the rumour hoping county board would get wind of it maybe county board at fault too

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 04/11/2025 13:01:50    2642974

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