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One day of fixtures that makes no sense to me is
Saturday 26 April
Leinster SHC Round 2
Dublin V Wexford, Parnell Park, 4.30pm
Leinster MHC Tier 1 Riound 2
Wexford v Dublin, Chadwicks Wexford Park, TBC
Surely to god the fixtures committees and counties could have came to some agreement to play the minor match as a curtain raiser to the senior game? It would be a great occasion for the young chaps.
Makes zero sense for both sets of supporters to be in different venues for the same counties playing.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 887 - 04/04/2025 09:43:23
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Replying To Past hurler: "One day of fixtures that makes no sense to me is
Saturday 26 April
Leinster SHC Round 2
Dublin V Wexford, Parnell Park, 4.30pm
Leinster MHC Tier 1 Riound 2
Wexford v Dublin, Chadwicks Wexford Park, TBC
Surely to god the fixtures committees and counties could have came to some agreement to play the minor match as a curtain raiser to the senior game? It would be a great occasion for the young chaps.
Makes zero sense for both sets of supporters to be in different venues for the same counties playing." Couldn't agree more.
You'd swear they've no communication with eachother.
I'd argue from the Wexford perspective the same people willing to travel to Parnell are the ones that would attend most minor games.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3467 - 04/04/2025 09:57:44
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Replying To Viking66: "First up it wasn't Junior it was 2nd year. And the score is wrong, though it was bad. In fairness to those lads they were unbeaten all year up to that. They had 3 lads sent off. Heads went down. Happens with 14 year olds.
As regards what Rory said that is largely down to Dept of Education admissions policy. And other schools getting better as schools. For example alot of top young players from Oulart, Ballyhogue and Oylegate, 3 of our top clubs as regards underage, are going to St Mary's instead of St Peters. Or Wexford CBS. That Peters team only has 2 starters off our u15 Development Squad on it.
On a happier note Adamstown won their Leinster Senior D Final this morning. Kilmuckridge also won a Leinster, as did St Mary's and FCJ. It's not all doom and gloom." I know I sound like a broken record on this but if there is talent in Adamstown, Kilmuckridge, St. Mary's and FCJ then does that not still scream combined colleges team to you?
I know it benefits only the top in each school but so what, its 20+ more players playing top level hurling. Could these schools not play their B/C/D comp and the top players play with combined colleges?
I still fear that its all at a lower level Viking66 when players need top level hurling.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1298 - 04/04/2025 10:43:48
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Replying To Viking66: "First up it wasn't Junior it was 2nd year. And the score is wrong, though it was bad. In fairness to those lads they were unbeaten all year up to that. They had 3 lads sent off. Heads went down. Happens with 14 year olds.
As regards what Rory said that is largely down to Dept of Education admissions policy. And other schools getting better as schools. For example alot of top young players from Oulart, Ballyhogue and Oylegate, 3 of our top clubs as regards underage, are going to St Mary's instead of St Peters. Or Wexford CBS. That Peters team only has 2 starters off our u15 Development Squad on it.
On a happier note Adamstown won their Leinster Senior D Final this morning. Kilmuckridge also won a Leinster, as did St Mary's and FCJ. It's not all doom and gloom." You're right, the score was incorrect from the St. Peters social media.
The correct score as per Leinster Council website was -
Leinster PPS 2024-2025 2nd Yr Hurling Semi Final
Kilkenny CBS 2-28
St. Peter's College Wexford 0-8
Venue: Dicksboro
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 887 - 04/04/2025 10:44:03
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I feel you want to be careful with Sean O'Brien and the hype. I saw it for years in Dublin and now in Wexford. Young player hyped to the hilt, I remember when you beat us in the u21 final in Parnell Park and I thought Wexford had a DJ Carey in the making in Conor McDonald yet it hasn't happened and looks less and less likely to happen.
There is such a gulf between minor and senior and you never know how players go or what they do.
You need to mind him and see what happens, not throw him in to the wolves and sink or swim.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1298 - 04/04/2025 10:47:01
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Replying To Past hurler: "One day of fixtures that makes no sense to me is
Saturday 26 April
Leinster SHC Round 2
Dublin V Wexford, Parnell Park, 4.30pm
Leinster MHC Tier 1 Riound 2
Wexford v Dublin, Chadwicks Wexford Park, TBC
Surely to god the fixtures committees and counties could have came to some agreement to play the minor match as a curtain raiser to the senior game? It would be a great occasion for the young chaps.
Makes zero sense for both sets of supporters to be in different venues for the same counties playing." I believe they don't play minor matches before senior matches any more, because the chaps involved are a year younger or at least that is what I heard.
It does not make sense to have them on the same day, my main idea here would be play minor on Sunday and you can get in to the minor match for free if you buy a ticket for the senior match.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1298 - 04/04/2025 10:52:37
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I believe they don't play minor matches before senior matches any more, because the chaps involved are a year younger or at least that is what I heard.
It does not make sense to have them on the same day, my main idea here would be play minor on Sunday and you can get in to the minor match for free if you buy a ticket for the senior match." We played a minor & senior double-header v Galway in Wexford Park last year.
But the obvious difficulty in making this one with Dublin a double-header is that Dublin are home for the senior, and Wexford are home for the minor. Highly unlikely our minor management would agree to give up home advantage and play in Parnell Park instead just to make things easier for supporters. The obvious answer instead is just to switch the minor match to the Sunday, and it's a good idea that a ticket for the senior match would get you into the minor match too.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2805 - 04/04/2025 11:24:45
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Our Minors and Seniors are both playing away to Galway one weekend after the other too I believe
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 195 - 04/04/2025 11:31:56
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Replying To Paull: "Our Minors and Seniors are both playing away to Galway one weekend after the other too I believe" Correct. Minors are away to Galway on Saturday May 3rd and seniors are away to Galway on Saturday May 10th.
And that's not the end of it. If the minors have to play a quarter-final, it's down for the same Saturday May 10th as the seniors will be in Galway, It'll be away to one of the teams coming out of Tier 2 of the competition, which means it definitely won't be in Galway!
And the semi-finals are down for Saturday May 17th - i.e. the day the seniors are home to Offaly. Again, the minor match could be anywhere.
Galway and Dublin are in the same boat. Their seniors are also to play at home on Saturday May 17th but their minors could also have to play a semi-final in a different county on the same day.
I honestly don't know why all these minor matches couldn't just have been fixed for the Sundays.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2805 - 04/04/2025 13:02:56
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I know I sound like a broken record on this but if there is talent in Adamstown, Kilmuckridge, St. Mary's and FCJ then does that not still scream combined colleges team to you?
I know it benefits only the top in each school but so what, its 20+ more players playing top level hurling. Could these schools not play their B/C/D comp and the top players play with combined colleges?
I still fear that its all at a lower level Viking66 when players need top level hurling." St Mary's are hurling Leinster A grade in some ages as it is. FCJ will be hurling Senior A in 2 years time also. We will likely have 4 schools hurling Senior A then, which will expose way more boys to top level schools hurling than a combined colleges team would. That wouldn't have happened if we had of had a combined colleges team the last while.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15284 - 04/04/2025 13:21:12
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I know I sound like a broken record on this but if there is talent in Adamstown, Kilmuckridge, St. Mary's and FCJ then does that not still scream combined colleges team to you?
I know it benefits only the top in each school but so what, its 20+ more players playing top level hurling. Could these schools not play their B/C/D comp and the top players play with combined colleges?
I still fear that its all at a lower level Viking66 when players need top level hurling." And when exactly would they train? And the school concerned would obviously be without their best players for their own teams also.
We have had to cancel several u14 club training sessions already this year to facilitate schools teams.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15284 - 04/04/2025 13:23:59
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Just to be absolutely clear I'm not saying any of those players are better.
I'm just making the point that great prospects don't always come to fruition so we can't be getting carried away.
You're right about Burke actually but I'm sure you'll forgive me as that era was fairly forgettable.
I don't remember Lacey playing so I'll have to scan over a few programs." Absolutely. Even really good u20s sometimes don't make good Seniors. Collins hasn't made the jump for Galway, and Richie Leahy didn't for Kilkenny. Harry Shine was exceptional, played minor 3 years, and still isn't a regular Senior starter.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15284 - 04/04/2025 13:27:15
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Replying To Past hurler: "One day of fixtures that makes no sense to me is
Saturday 26 April
Leinster SHC Round 2
Dublin V Wexford, Parnell Park, 4.30pm
Leinster MHC Tier 1 Riound 2
Wexford v Dublin, Chadwicks Wexford Park, TBC
Surely to god the fixtures committees and counties could have came to some agreement to play the minor match as a curtain raiser to the senior game? It would be a great occasion for the young chaps.
Makes zero sense for both sets of supporters to be in different venues for the same counties playing." Id rather we didn't give up home advantage for our minors tbh.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15284 - 04/04/2025 13:28:26
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I wouldnt be in favour of blowing up young sean o brien just yet. Yes he looks a incredible talent but its not as easy as that. He already is a marked player everytime he goes out. Its only natural to get excited anytime a exciting player comes along i.e adam screeney but as others have said liam collins gave some incredible displays for galway but i remember him coming on against limerick a few years ago and he looked like a 14 year old completely lost. I think he isnt on the galway panel this year something went on.aidan walsh of cork also gave some exceptional performances for cork hurlers u21 but its a different ball game at senior. Up the road billy drennan was a very good underage player and had a good league at senior for kk but he has gone so far back he will do well to make the 26 this year a kk lad told me at the u20 match last wknd. He also told me kk won the u20 final a few years ago albeit flukey but not one player can hold down a spot at senior. Harry shine the obvious but from what i could see he looks overweight and is struggling to get up to the speed.
Closer to home conor mac was certain to be a superstar but that definitely never materialized yes he has had some great days but not consistent enough. Oisin pepper looked the real deal a few years ago. Rory o connor came with a big reputation but like mac he doesnt do it enough or gets involved in silly messing and gets distracted. Its often the lads with a lower key build up that will give a good decade hurling senior county. Imo theres nothing wrong about getting excited with a yonger player but we just need to be careful because its a bendy road. What way has minor preparation gone or who are the front runners? Waterford didnt look to bad in munster. Galway will probably be strong. Kk could carry the scars of last years embarrassing defeat and could be frail when it gets to the heavy lifting.i belive this is a good wexford minor bunch so a leinster final would be a great start
Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 50 - 05/04/2025 00:27:43
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I feel you want to be careful with Sean O'Brien and the hype. I saw it for years in Dublin and now in Wexford. Young player hyped to the hilt, I remember when you beat us in the u21 final in Parnell Park and I thought Wexford had a DJ Carey in the making in Conor McDonald yet it hasn't happened and looks less and less likely to happen.
There is such a gulf between minor and senior and you never know how players go or what they do.
You need to mind him and see what happens, not throw him in to the wolves and sink or swim." Mac was very reliant on his size and strength. At underage that meant he could walk through lads especially close to goal. To be fair at club level he did the same in two county finals. But I don't think he ever developed his movement and first touch as much as he needed to for the top level. From memory ROC and Dunbar were exceptional underage players but have never consistently showed it at senior. That's the way it goes. I remember Chin at underage level but bar his size I can't recall him standing out. He was one that kept improving his game. Matt O'Hanlon was another who kept improving nearly every year he was on the senior panel.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 373 - 05/04/2025 09:41:56
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Replying To Slowandshortsighted: "I wouldnt be in favour of blowing up young sean o brien just yet. Yes he looks a incredible talent but its not as easy as that. He already is a marked player everytime he goes out. Its only natural to get excited anytime a exciting player comes along i.e adam screeney but as others have said liam collins gave some incredible displays for galway but i remember him coming on against limerick a few years ago and he looked like a 14 year old completely lost. I think he isnt on the galway panel this year something went on.aidan walsh of cork also gave some exceptional performances for cork hurlers u21 but its a different ball game at senior. Up the road billy drennan was a very good underage player and had a good league at senior for kk but he has gone so far back he will do well to make the 26 this year a kk lad told me at the u20 match last wknd. He also told me kk won the u20 final a few years ago albeit flukey but not one player can hold down a spot at senior. Harry shine the obvious but from what i could see he looks overweight and is struggling to get up to the speed.
Closer to home conor mac was certain to be a superstar but that definitely never materialized yes he has had some great days but not consistent enough. Oisin pepper looked the real deal a few years ago. Rory o connor came with a big reputation but like mac he doesnt do it enough or gets involved in silly messing and gets distracted. Its often the lads with a lower key build up that will give a good decade hurling senior county. Imo theres nothing wrong about getting excited with a yonger player but we just need to be careful because its a bendy road. What way has minor preparation gone or who are the front runners? Waterford didnt look to bad in munster. Galway will probably be strong. Kk could carry the scars of last years embarrassing defeat and could be frail when it gets to the heavy lifting.i belive this is a good wexford minor bunch so a leinster final would be a great start" We held our own against Waterford until we had a lad sent off in the u16A final last year, and they have beaten Tipp and Limerick so far in this years Munster Minor Championship.
At the same time with minors so much is all about having the heads right on the day, and keeping them right for 60 minutes during the game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15284 - 05/04/2025 10:33:32
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I know I sound like a broken record on this but if there is talent in Adamstown, Kilmuckridge, St. Mary's and FCJ then does that not still scream combined colleges team to you?
I know it benefits only the top in each school but so what, its 20+ more players playing top level hurling. Could these schools not play their B/C/D comp and the top players play with combined colleges?
I still fear that its all at a lower level Viking66 when players need top level hurling." Combined colleges is only really feasible at Senior level, not really workable for Junior/Second Year/First Year
If there was one Wexford school in Senior 'A', then combined colleges would make a lot of sense
If there were two Wexford schools in Senior 'A', you could argue that combined colleges would make some sense although I'm not so sure
If there were three Wexford schools in Senior 'A', then combined colleges would make little sense
If there were four Wexford schools in Senior 'A', then combined colleges would make zero sense
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 413 - 05/04/2025 21:26:49
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