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Replying To Viking66:  "What progress do you want to see? We have more young lads turning into decent Senior Intercounty players than any other county right now. I agree we don't have many X factor, star type, hurlers coming through right now but neither do any other county. In any case I think you need to be born with that to a certain extent.
Other posters keep mentioning Dublin and Offaly but we have beaten Dublin at minor and u20 this year, the last 2 years our minors beat Offalys by double digits, and this year our minor hurlers beat a good Laois minor team who beat Offaly by 31 points in the previous round to us beating them. We beat Kilkenny and Cork well at minor last year also.
I agree it would be nice to see us win a minor title, but we would need a particularly good crop of lads with a particularly good management team over them, as every year there are very good teams playing for one county or another, though, with the exception of Clare the last 4 years, not the same counties every year."
I'd like us to have something to shout about Viking...something to give us hope. I know we beat those teams in this convoluted system but at the end of the day we weren't the ones in contention in those competitions when it came to the business end.

It makes.it worse for me because I'm living in Dublin involved with Lucan Sarsfields and the momentum building in Dublin hurling is incredible. They're only gpoing to improve. I don't begrudge em it but I'd love to see us with the same positivity

If we've only a small enough group pitting the time in with coaching and playing then I feel we will be also rans.

For most of my life we've been second-rate, why us it ever going to be any different I suppose. Regardless of programs and structures there's still a huge element of luck and timing involved. In the early to late 90s we'd a good team that more or less came at the same time.

That team Liam Dunne ushered in also.came.more or less at.the same time and I feel we massively underachieved with them. Will we ever have a good crop come overca few years again?

I mentioned before I've a few contacts in Naas. Their u12s are playing in Dublin and their over 12s are in Kilkenny leagues. They also run their own championship or go games whatever.

I don't see that level of commitment or ingenuity in Wexford. All I see is negativity and same old stuff repeating.

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 427 - 24/06/2025 15:08:39    2620724

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "That is one thing we firmly agree on."
Me too

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16410 - 24/06/2025 15:08:49    2620726

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Hard to spot in real time but I. Slow motion the one on chinner looked worse"
the one on Lee Chin was scandolous, and the linesman was looking directly at it and 5 yards away.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 831 - 24/06/2025 16:26:48    2620763

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I don't really get the idea of comparing to Dublin clubs to the vast majority of clubs in Ireland, never mind Wexford. Doesn't even have to be the super-clubs, you still can't really compare the teams on the next tier down in Dublin to anyone in Wexford.

And you can't really compare Naas either as they're on their way to being a super-club in time, only really Gorey in Wexford have the capacity to become a super-club and I don't think they're at that stage now

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 584 - 24/06/2025 17:04:28    2620773

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Replying To Viking66:  "Don't understand the 1st part of your post. "Very very poor year when you look at the progress Dublin have made". There wasn't much in our game against Dublin, we had just stretched 3 points clear before the goal that didn't cross the line, despite a good few players not playing to their potential.
Dublin beating Limerick is a great result for them, and credit must go to their players and management. But why does that make our year very very poor instead of just poor? We have never got more than 6 points in a Leinster Round Robin, which is what we got this year.
We are well used to having poor years at this stage. Barring only a few years nearly every year has been a poor year since 1968. And nearly every year before 1955."
Barring only a few years nearly every year has been a poor year since 1968

Cant agree with that, We were very good in the 70's, had a few good teams in the 80s, were very good in the 90s. Whilst we didn't win much in those years we were competitive with the best teams around. They were different eras when there was fewer games so comparisons are difficult. This year was very poor (as were the previous few years) by any standards. What's most concerning is that we are likely to get worse rather than better. Take Chin out of the team and we are beyond ordinary.

FearBeag (Mayo) - Posts: 94 - 24/06/2025 17:29:05    2620779

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Replying To FearBeag:  "Barring only a few years nearly every year has been a poor year since 1968

Cant agree with that, We were very good in the 70's, had a few good teams in the 80s, were very good in the 90s. Whilst we didn't win much in those years we were competitive with the best teams around. They were different eras when there was fewer games so comparisons are difficult. This year was very poor (as were the previous few years) by any standards. What's most concerning is that we are likely to get worse rather than better. Take Chin out of the team and we are beyond ordinary."
We've spent alot of those years in the 2nd tier of the League. We havent won a League since 1973. We have only won Leinster 6 times since then. Most of those years Galway weren't in Leinster either. At underage we haven't won any AI u21s or minors in that time either.
The fact that we had good teams in some of those years doesn't change the fact that mostly they were poor years. If anything it makes those years even poorer in terms of under achievement.
Lads need to take the rose tinted glasses off. Comparing our current lack of success to previous years when in reality we weren't much more successful then than we are now isn't going to help us get more successful going forwards.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16410 - 24/06/2025 21:58:00    2620829

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I don't really get the idea of comparing to Dublin clubs to the vast majority of clubs in Ireland, never mind Wexford. Doesn't even have to be the super-clubs, you still can't really compare the teams on the next tier down in Dublin to anyone in Wexford.

And you can't really compare Naas either as they're on their way to being a super-club in time, only really Gorey in Wexford have the capacity to become a super-club and I don't think they're at that stage now"
Population fallacy. It is everywhere in GAA.
Ballyhale disprove it in a heart beat.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1400 - 24/06/2025 22:06:29    2620831

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Replying To countyman2022:  "the one on Lee Chin was scandolous, and the linesman was looking directly at it and 5 yards away."
I thought Crummey deserved to be sent off v Wexford. It was stupid.
Saturday was careless more than malicious but Hegarty made sure he saw red. Yes I know he gave the referee a decision and that was stupid.
The one issue I do have is whether the top counties get an easier time of referees than us, Wexford, and so on?
The worst hit I saw was Daithi Burke, how he did not walk I will never know.
Rory O'Connor, sent off for nothing v Clare last year and many similar tackles go unpunished in the Munster championship each year.
I believe referees lack the cajones to send off players from the Munster counties and Kilkenny but they don't think twice about the middle of the road counties. I don't believe Hegarty would have hit the deck v Cork for example because he wouldn't have been as sure of a red card being given and the replay would have laughed him out of the joint.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1400 - 24/06/2025 22:13:17    2620833

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As a limerick supporter,I agree hego made a lot of challange but crummy did leave his elbow out and ref wasn't left with much of an option..
Not sure I'd agree on Munster counties getting away with more from refs..Barrett sent off v Clare for minimum contact,a lot made by opposition player.
McCarthy sent off v cork but wasnt fer decision,he got word from linesman..
The crackdown on challenges above the shoulder is no harm but has to right across the board.
I've watched a lot of minor and under20 matches and these seem to be reffed completely different to senior..
What is the overall standard of reffing like on the Wexford scene..I know in limerick it is very dodgy but referees just aren't coming through,so if we complain matches just won't be played..it's a job I'd never do..I've done umpire a lot and that can be bloody difficult..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2561 - 24/06/2025 23:14:00    2620845

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I thought Crummey deserved to be sent off v Wexford. It was stupid.
Saturday was careless more than malicious but Hegarty made sure he saw red. Yes I know he gave the referee a decision and that was stupid.
The one issue I do have is whether the top counties get an easier time of referees than us, Wexford, and so on?
The worst hit I saw was Daithi Burke, how he did not walk I will never know.
Rory O'Connor, sent off for nothing v Clare last year and many similar tackles go unpunished in the Munster championship each year.
I believe referees lack the cajones to send off players from the Munster counties and Kilkenny but they don't think twice about the middle of the road counties. I don't believe Hegarty would have hit the deck v Cork for example because he wouldn't have been as sure of a red card being given and the replay would have laughed him out of the joint."
Every county is screwed by the refs at different times though Exiled. For Cork, AI final last year we were denied a leveling free at the end due to an awful call by the ref. Wexford will feel rightly aggrieved by the ref/umpire decisions vs Dublin in Parnell. Likewise Waterford should probably have had a stonewall penalty + black card vs Cork in PuC. Every county has ref decisions where they feel hard done by. It's about how you respond to them that counts and in fairness Dublin did that brilliantly last Saturday albeit could have no complaints about Crummey's red. Regardless of Hegarty's reaction, it is a stonewall red and arguing otherwise is nonsense.
On Wexford, I think Dublin provided ye an example of what's possible with a brilliant attitude, smart coach and hard work. NOC has had a brilliant impact on the Dubs and I wonder is Rossiter that calibre of manager? I don't think there's much difference skill and talent wise between Wexford and Dublin yet that Dublin performance was of an incredibly high standard which I haven't seen from a Wexford team (apart from the seemingly annual performance vs Kilkenny).
Lastly, I don't know if it's been said already but I'd love to see Wexford change their club championship and the potential benefits. I think ye'd get from that would be huge. We changed our structure in Cork to a format which is much more cut throat which resulted in each game been of massive importance. This resulted in a noticeable increase in quality in the Club Championship and many down here would argue that it's played a key role in the revival of the Cork hurler's.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 63 - 24/06/2025 23:26:51    2620847

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Population fallacy. It is everywhere in GAA.
Ballyhale disprove it in a heart beat."
I never said you can't be great club without being a super club though, I said it just doesn't really make sense to compare Wexford clubs against Dublin clubs

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 584 - 25/06/2025 07:17:50    2620863

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Lads if ye haven't seen it I'd highly recommend Gizzy Lyng's Laorcha Gael. It's very good.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3770 - 25/06/2025 09:24:20    2620869

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "Every county is screwed by the refs at different times though Exiled. For Cork, AI final last year we were denied a leveling free at the end due to an awful call by the ref. Wexford will feel rightly aggrieved by the ref/umpire decisions vs Dublin in Parnell. Likewise Waterford should probably have had a stonewall penalty + black card vs Cork in PuC. Every county has ref decisions where they feel hard done by. It's about how you respond to them that counts and in fairness Dublin did that brilliantly last Saturday albeit could have no complaints about Crummey's red. Regardless of Hegarty's reaction, it is a stonewall red and arguing otherwise is nonsense.
On Wexford, I think Dublin provided ye an example of what's possible with a brilliant attitude, smart coach and hard work. NOC has had a brilliant impact on the Dubs and I wonder is Rossiter that calibre of manager? I don't think there's much difference skill and talent wise between Wexford and Dublin yet that Dublin performance was of an incredibly high standard which I haven't seen from a Wexford team (apart from the seemingly annual performance vs Kilkenny).
Lastly, I don't know if it's been said already but I'd love to see Wexford change their club championship and the potential benefits. I think ye'd get from that would be huge. We changed our structure in Cork to a format which is much more cut throat which resulted in each game been of massive importance. This resulted in a noticeable increase in quality in the Club Championship and many down here would argue that it's played a key role in the revival of the Cork hurler's."
I'd say you're spot on in that to be honest.

I still believe we have an overall higher standard or player than Dublin do but look where they are. They're far better than us at putting winning performances together consistently.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3770 - 25/06/2025 09:25:33    2620870

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I'd say you're spot on in that to be honest.

I still believe we have an overall higher standard or player than Dublin do but look where they are. They're far better than us at putting winning performances together consistently."
More talented players =/= Better players

I don't know if we're even more talented than Dublin although I don't think it really matters tbh, we'd be dangerous enough if we emptied the tank day in, day out

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 584 - 25/06/2025 10:34:07    2620888

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "More talented players =/= Better players

I don't know if we're even more talented than Dublin although I don't think it really matters tbh, we'd be dangerous enough if we emptied the tank day in, day out"
Yeah point taken. I'm guilty of it all the time but that type of language probably does nothing to help is improve.

The team is the sum of the parts and in the last two seasons in spite of how frustrating our games with them have been, they've proven themselves to be better than us at getting results.

To me that's a combination of attitude, commitment and discipline being generally superior to ours.

You could say the same about the defeat of the Martin's last year in Leinster.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3770 - 25/06/2025 10:40:08    2620890

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "More talented players =/= Better players

I don't know if we're even more talented than Dublin although I don't think it really matters tbh, we'd be dangerous enough if we emptied the tank day in, day out"
Its not a singing contest so the word talent is irrelevant, we can have all the nice wristy (only in Ireland does such a word exist?) Hurlers, but the game requires much more than that from the physical to the mental. So yeah, they have proven that they have the better hurlers.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2023 - 25/06/2025 11:44:50    2620919

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Replying To zinny:  "Its not a singing contest so the word talent is irrelevant, we can have all the nice wristy (only in Ireland does such a word exist?) Hurlers, but the game requires much more than that from the physical to the mental. So yeah, they have proven that they have the better hurlers."
Spot on Zinny. For me Better=more effective.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16410 - 25/06/2025 12:24:41    2620930

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "Every county is screwed by the refs at different times though Exiled. For Cork, AI final last year we were denied a leveling free at the end due to an awful call by the ref. Wexford will feel rightly aggrieved by the ref/umpire decisions vs Dublin in Parnell. Likewise Waterford should probably have had a stonewall penalty + black card vs Cork in PuC. Every county has ref decisions where they feel hard done by. It's about how you respond to them that counts and in fairness Dublin did that brilliantly last Saturday albeit could have no complaints about Crummey's red. Regardless of Hegarty's reaction, it is a stonewall red and arguing otherwise is nonsense.
On Wexford, I think Dublin provided ye an example of what's possible with a brilliant attitude, smart coach and hard work. NOC has had a brilliant impact on the Dubs and I wonder is Rossiter that calibre of manager? I don't think there's much difference skill and talent wise between Wexford and Dublin yet that Dublin performance was of an incredibly high standard which I haven't seen from a Wexford team (apart from the seemingly annual performance vs Kilkenny).
Lastly, I don't know if it's been said already but I'd love to see Wexford change their club championship and the potential benefits. I think ye'd get from that would be huge. We changed our structure in Cork to a format which is much more cut throat which resulted in each game been of massive importance. This resulted in a noticeable increase in quality in the Club Championship and many down here would argue that it's played a key role in the revival of the Cork hurler's."
One of the better posts about wexford hurling from a Cork man.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1525 - 25/06/2025 12:27:46    2620931

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Replying To zinny:  "Its not a singing contest so the word talent is irrelevant, we can have all the nice wristy (only in Ireland does such a word exist?) Hurlers, but the game requires much more than that from the physical to the mental. So yeah, they have proven that they have the better hurlers."
Just to be clear though, you do acknowledge that if it were a singing competition we'd do really well?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3770 - 25/06/2025 13:41:41    2620961

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Sorry to tread on old ground again, but do lads feel it is at least a responsibility or duty of clubs to produce county players?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3770 - 25/06/2025 13:42:43    2620962

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