Replying To Doylerwex: "I will repeat what I said before.
I really think we need both.
You could argue that the team of 88, 91 or 93 were technically better than 96. The only thing Griffin changed was mentality.
Gizzy was an exceptional hurler. But he got the best out of himself in an era where we were way off the pace. Again, he did that through the attitude of being connected to our past.
We need to include this as well as the technical stuff to be at our best.
There's plenty of evidence for this." NO, Gizzy done that by training hard.
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Replying To Tiger1: "With underage its hard to gauge like look at young mullen for Kilkenny never struck a ball the other night but was their best player all year so thats just the way it is with young lads so our lads could be better as they get older." Absolutely. Mullen was very poor. Can happen to any 16 year old. Great prospect still though. Bear in mind last year we played that Waterford team in the u16a final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16331 - 17/06/2025 11:52:07
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I will repeat what I said before.
I really think we need both.
You could argue that the team of 88, 91 or 93 were technically better than 96. The only thing Griffin changed was mentality.
Gizzy was an exceptional hurler. But he got the best out of himself in an era where we were way off the pace. Again, he did that through the attitude of being connected to our past.
We need to include this as well as the technical stuff to be at our best.
There's plenty of evidence for this." Gizzy was an exceptional freetaker. Not sure I'd go as far as say he was an exceptional intercounty hurler though. He was very good ok.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I will never agree I'm afraid.
Of course you need all of those things for any sport, but hurling is far more than sport.
You need the collective identity and will of the whole county.
That's how individuals will get the best out of themselves.
Hurling and conditioning are prerequisite. The culture is the extra bit.
You need both of them." Where was this interview? If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are. In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning. Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer) With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at? I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first? Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more.
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Replying To countyman2022: "NO, Gizzy done that by training hard." He trained harder than everyone else. Why ? Because he was motivated by something far bigger than himself. That's the whole point you're missing.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3736 - 17/06/2025 12:54:11
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Where was this interview? If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are. In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning. Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer) With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at? I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first? Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more." With the greatest respect, you write like somebody who's totally lost your connection to where you came from.
Rosslare were beaten in an intermediate final a couple of years back and their playing population is tiny.
Griffin is very involved in fairness from nursery right up to the men.
He's also given talks to hundreds of teams from clubs, schools and county seniors for the last 30 years.
Dempsey, Conran, Dunne all had him involved in some way.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3736 - 17/06/2025 12:58:17
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Where was this interview? If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are. In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning. Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer) With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at? I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first? Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more." That's harsh on Griffin and feels like you are playing the man there. For me history, myth-making etc have place, its no harm for young lads to know they are part of something bigger, storytelling is massively power and arguably certainly to us as human beings. It DOES NOT replace, good coaching, practice, S&C, diet etc but it can be part of a package. For me hurling is more than 'just a sport' and I if others had seen it as this 100 + years ago I don't think we might even have it today. It was this 'something bigger' that inspired the foundation of the GAA. To reiterate, none of this replaces the basics, but it could be part of psychological preparation around the game, I would suggest use with care.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 116 - 17/06/2025 13:15:12
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Replying To countyman2022: "But didn't you know we beat KK in the Park two years ago because they sang Boolavogue before the match?" No
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16331 - 17/06/2025 14:24:56
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Where was this interview? If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are. In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning. Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer) With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at? I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first? Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more." There were only 2000 of us to see us lose to Westmeath I've been to dances with more people at them. Not at crossroads granted.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16331 - 17/06/2025 14:29:57
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Replying To wexford2012: "That's harsh on Griffin and feels like you are playing the man there. For me history, myth-making etc have place, its no harm for young lads to know they are part of something bigger, storytelling is massively power and arguably certainly to us as human beings. It DOES NOT replace, good coaching, practice, S&C, diet etc but it can be part of a package. For me hurling is more than 'just a sport' and I if others had seen it as this 100 + years ago I don't think we might even have it today. It was this 'something bigger' that inspired the foundation of the GAA. To reiterate, none of this replaces the basics, but it could be part of psychological preparation around the game, I would suggest use with care." Collective history can inspire for sure, but as you say it has to be part of a greater approach, not the whole approach.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16331 - 17/06/2025 14:31:34
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Replying To Viking66: "There were only 2000 of us to see us lose to Westmeath I've been to dances with more people at them. Not at crossroads granted." I'd have had you down as a rave dancer, rather than a crossroads one.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2845 - 17/06/2025 14:48:10
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Replying To wexford2012: "That's harsh on Griffin and feels like you are playing the man there. For me history, myth-making etc have place, its no harm for young lads to know they are part of something bigger, storytelling is massively power and arguably certainly to us as human beings. It DOES NOT replace, good coaching, practice, S&C, diet etc but it can be part of a package. For me hurling is more than 'just a sport' and I if others had seen it as this 100 + years ago I don't think we might even have it today. It was this 'something bigger' that inspired the foundation of the GAA. To reiterate, none of this replaces the basics, but it could be part of psychological preparation around the game, I would suggest use with care." I'm delighted somebody else is getting this.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3736 - 17/06/2025 15:42:08
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I'd have had you down as a rave dancer, rather than a crossroads one." I didn't say what kinda dances CC :-D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16331 - 17/06/2025 16:17:30
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