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So tomorrow. Against a full strength kilkenny team I would be thinking based on where we are at, would be a positive to get within 10 points.
Kilkenny resting a few so think we will get within a few points of them.
If a miracle does happen and we win I really hope its not taken out of context. 'Shows what we are capable of' 'positive result with next year in mind'. It will only paper over the cracks.
I've mentioned a few times about expectations. Definitely worth our 4 place ranking in leinster.
Kilkenny by 4.
Kids looking forward to going down anyway. Hope they will enjoy the day.
Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 150 - 24/05/2025 21:38:45
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "The way you go on sometimes you'd swear we've absolutely no young lads hurling in the county at all….everyone has more lads playing hurling than us…do Mayo have more hurling clubs than us too?. We don't have a small population at all, we've about the same as Tipp and we're a lot closer in population to Limerick and Galway than they are to even Cork. It was a poor year, we call it a poor year and not going looking for excuses in every game. Playing the poor hand. Sure the teams we played were also missing lads for their games too. I've see the football we play in Wexford, a lot of it is token and not to any crazy standard, like realistically how much of an effect can that have…I'm sick pointing out other dual counties are ok with it and most cases they're operating at a higher level in both. Think this just proves Michael Duignans thing about Wexford, we're always ok with being middling as long as we're not the worst in it (also not that he's some massive saviour figure but just using it to prove a point)
Then why have we the same set up in the first for 4 games if that's the reason for it?
Ya, and Tipp had a terrible year? I'm sure they'll looking for answer as to why they had a terrible year and not trying to dress it up as anything but a bad year. Even the Tipp podcast, Premier Podcast or something (not big fans of there's tbh, too smary and gloating all the time) was calling it out for be very disappointing and what are the reasons for it and why it was such a bad year….instead we'll always go, we were bad but look there was other teams who were even worse…" We were worse than I was hoping, but we lost to an excellent Kilkenny side who are favourites to win it out, and twice to a Galway side who are probably 4th favourites. Today was probably the most disappointing defeat, as we weren't 8 points worse or even close to it. We set up poorly in the first half and gave Limerick the freedom of the middle 3rd. I know 2 of our best minors were injured and couldn't start, and our best probably shouldn't have started either, but I'm not using that as an excuse.
FYI according to the 2024 gaa census Galway have 459 youth hurling teams to our 309. Couple that with the fact that many of our youth hurling teams don't even have 15 players, like numerous teams at our club over the last 10 years, far more than would be the case in Galway, and it's pretty obvious you have way more underage hurlers than us. You would also have way more who don't play football to any level, only 5 of your minor hurlers play high/medium division club football in Galway, whereas most of ours, well over half, play football within a division of where they play hurling.
As regards other counties,
again for your information,
Cork are way out in front with 1023 youth hurling teams.
Dublin are next with 654.
Tipp are next with 511.
Then yourselves with 459.
Limerick with 402
Waterford with 355.
Kilkenny with 312.
Then us with 309.
But at our club in 2024 while we officially had 6 teams, we had 11 minor hurlers, 15 u16 hurlers, 12 u14 hurlers, 14 u12 hurlers, 11 u10 hurlers and around 19 u8s, including girls. Many other local clubs were similar. And at minor this year we have no minor team, and I know for a fact Adamstown, St. Annes and Horeswood, who officially all do have minor hurling teams, don't have 15 minors hurling. They are having to call up a number of u16s to field teams.
Add in the fact that many of the best coaches in the county don't want to coach our development squads, and the fact that our development squads largely only do 1 pitch session a week, on a Saturday morning, and often there are challenge games arranged for those Saturday mornings, it's hard to say our lads did all that poorly. To say that isn't fair on the players.
Maybe best you move back up to your own county and sort out your own problems, 5 AIs total with your playing numbers is not just poor, its pathetic.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 24/05/2025 21:57:25
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "What I think people are most frustrated by is the fact we're not really bridging the gap with the counties ahead of us in the pecking order and haven't been doing so for a while tbh. The Minors were the 7th best team in the country this year and around 7th best is where we have been for a long time as a county now at Minor/U20/Senior level
I think some people see a lack of progress as us going backwards but we're not really going backwards as such, we're pretty much in the exact same position we have been in for the last half-century
I also think people are too quick to complain and take issue with our performances too often. If you think we're not at the races, then you also have to think that there's no quick fix and that it'll take time to change things, have to have patience rather than going on about how bad we are every week or two
This isn't saying that what we're doing right now is guaranteed to work right now, just that even if we are to turn things around, it won't be an overnight thing" In the teens we got knocked out at minor by Laois and Westmeath. The complete record for 2010-2019 is we got knocked out by Dublin 6 times, and Westmeath, Laois and Kilkenny once each. We won it in 2019. But bear in mind Galway weren't in it, and they destroyed us in the 2019 minor AISF.
So while the 20s haven't been great so far they have probably been an improvement overall.
We are where we are. We haven't reached an AI Final since the mid 80s at minor. It's not as if we have traditionally been good at the grade, and have gone backwards. Our record at minor since it began in 1928 isn't good, apart from the 1960s.
Hopefully it will get better, but that's going to take alot of work, especially at grassroots level. We don't have great underage hurling playing numbers to start with, and most of our underage hurlers play the same amount of hurling championship games as football championship games, and many do as many football training sessions as hurling ones also, which definitely isn't the case for any of the counties above us in the minor hurling pecking order this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 24/05/2025 22:14:43
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Replying To Magpie2: "You must have been watching a different match than I was. A few good moves but I couldn't see much in the line of players for the future.
Limerick bossed us for most of that game. They were smarter, made fewer errors and took their scores with ease.
Another year with nothing to show for our efforts." Wexford scored 6 points from play in 60 minutes and only 2 points from the starting forwards its just not good enough. The young lads have been let down by a brutal management team. Best players arent being picked its all a buddies club. Wexford will be in Joe McDonagh soon.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Tipp had a terrible year? Their year is far from over yet. They will, at the very least, play an All-Ireland preliminary quarter-final." They didn't win a single championship game this year, despite haing the best team on paper, and being the most successful panel in this agegroup coming up through u14, u15 and u16.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 24/05/2025 22:16:55
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Replying To Yellowhelmet: "So tomorrow. Against a full strength kilkenny team I would be thinking based on where we are at, would be a positive to get within 10 points.
Kilkenny resting a few so think we will get within a few points of them.
If a miracle does happen and we win I really hope its not taken out of context. 'Shows what we are capable of' 'positive result with next year in mind'. It will only paper over the cracks.
I've mentioned a few times about expectations. Definitely worth our 4 place ranking in leinster.
Kilkenny by 4.
Kids looking forward to going down anyway. Hope they will enjoy the day." Hope so lad! Hope mine do too!
Based on this year 4th best is where we are at. Hopefully we can get back up to at least 3rd next year, but with the likely age profile of our team next year that will be a big ask. That having been said we should hopefully be better placed to make a decent challenge in 2-3 years time, when nearly all our likely Senior panel of 26 will be in their peak years, aged 25-30, and will have between 5 and 10 years Senior intercounty hurling, training, and athletic development under their belts.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 24/05/2025 22:22:22
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Replying To Viking66: "We were worse than I was hoping, but we lost to an excellent Kilkenny side who are favourites to win it out, and twice to a Galway side who are probably 4th favourites. Today was probably the most disappointing defeat, as we weren't 8 points worse or even close to it. We set up poorly in the first half and gave Limerick the freedom of the middle 3rd. I know 2 of our best minors were injured and couldn't start, and our best probably shouldn't have started either, but I'm not using that as an excuse.
FYI according to the 2024 gaa census Galway have 459 youth hurling teams to our 309. Couple that with the fact that many of our youth hurling teams don't even have 15 players, like numerous teams at our club over the last 10 years, far more than would be the case in Galway, and it's pretty obvious you have way more underage hurlers than us. You would also have way more who don't play football to any level, only 5 of your minor hurlers play high/medium division club football in Galway, whereas most of ours, well over half, play football within a division of where they play hurling.
As regards other counties,
again for your information,
Cork are way out in front with 1023 youth hurling teams.
Dublin are next with 654.
Tipp are next with 511.
Then yourselves with 459.
Limerick with 402
Waterford with 355.
Kilkenny with 312.
Then us with 309.
But at our club in 2024 while we officially had 6 teams, we had 11 minor hurlers, 15 u16 hurlers, 12 u14 hurlers, 14 u12 hurlers, 11 u10 hurlers and around 19 u8s, including girls. Many other local clubs were similar. And at minor this year we have no minor team, and I know for a fact Adamstown, St. Annes and Horeswood, who officially all do have minor hurling teams, don't have 15 minors hurling. They are having to call up a number of u16s to field teams.
Add in the fact that many of the best coaches in the county don't want to coach our development squads, and the fact that our development squads largely only do 1 pitch session a week, on a Saturday morning, and often there are challenge games arranged for those Saturday mornings, it's hard to say our lads did all that poorly. To say that isn't fair on the players.
Maybe best you move back up to your own county and sort out your own problems, 5 AIs total with your playing numbers is not just poor, its pathetic." Everyone's an idiot but you ain't it…..let's just stay doing what we're doing, it's going well. We're overachieving if anything really
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 332 - 24/05/2025 22:36:53
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "The way you go on sometimes you'd swear we've absolutely no young lads hurling in the county at all….everyone has more lads playing hurling than us…do Mayo have more hurling clubs than us too?. We don't have a small population at all, we've about the same as Tipp and we're a lot closer in population to Limerick and Galway than they are to even Cork. It was a poor year, we call it a poor year and not going looking for excuses in every game. Playing the poor hand. Sure the teams we played were also missing lads for their games too. I've see the football we play in Wexford, a lot of it is token and not to any crazy standard, like realistically how much of an effect can that have…I'm sick pointing out other dual counties are ok with it and most cases they're operating at a higher level in both. Think this just proves Michael Duignans thing about Wexford, we're always ok with being middling as long as we're not the worst in it (also not that he's some massive saviour figure but just using it to prove a point)
Then why have we the same set up in the first for 4 games if that's the reason for it?
Ya, and Tipp had a terrible year? I'm sure they'll looking for answer as to why they had a terrible year and not trying to dress it up as anything but a bad year. Even the Tipp podcast, Premier Podcast or something (not big fans of there's tbh, too smary and gloating all the time) was calling it out for be very disappointing and what are the reasons for it and why it was such a bad year….instead we'll always go, we were bad but look there was other teams who were even worse…" There's no dual county comparable to us.
The only ones operating at s higher level than us are Galway, Cork and Dublin. Even that is debatable but no county has as many dual club players as we do. We're almost totally unique in that at our level.
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Replying To Viking66: "In the teens we got knocked out at minor by Laois and Westmeath. The complete record for 2010-2019 is we got knocked out by Dublin 6 times, and Westmeath, Laois and Kilkenny once each. We won it in 2019. But bear in mind Galway weren't in it, and they destroyed us in the 2019 minor AISF.
So while the 20s haven't been great so far they have probably been an improvement overall.
We are where we are. We haven't reached an AI Final since the mid 80s at minor. It's not as if we have traditionally been good at the grade, and have gone backwards. Our record at minor since it began in 1928 isn't good, apart from the 1960s.
Hopefully it will get better, but that's going to take alot of work, especially at grassroots level. We don't have great underage hurling playing numbers to start with, and most of our underage hurlers play the same amount of hurling championship games as football championship games, and many do as many football training sessions as hurling ones also, which definitely isn't the case for any of the counties above us in the minor hurling pecking order this year." I don't really think young players doing one hurling session and one football session is really the issue though, think it's fine as long as their parents have them hurling at home. Would imagine for example that the McGraths wouldn't have had more than one hurling training session per week with Loughmore/Castleleiney at under-age but they would've been playing multiple club matches per week, would've been training with development squads, and would likely have been hurling at home in their own time
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 24/05/2025 22:54:04
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Replying To Viking66: "Did you not screenshot it?
https://wexfordweekly.com/2025/05/23/wexford-senior-hurling-team-named-for-kilkenny-clash/wexford-news/
There's a link for you. Bizarrest post I've seen in a long time.
Would you not recognise the lads at this stage?" Don't know anything about screenshots viking.
It's an age thing really.
Thanks for the link. Yes I would know the lads fairly well but I like checking from time to time.
Sure isn't that what the programme is for as uninteresting as it is.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 25/05/2025 00:16:12
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Replying To Bryson: "Wexford scored 6 points from play in 60 minutes and only 2 points from the starting forwards its just not good enough. The young lads have been let down by a brutal management team. Best players arent being picked its all a buddies club. Wexford will be in Joe McDonagh soon." Strong words Bryson. Not very nice saying we were let down by a brutal management team and it's a buddies club.
Why would they go for lesser players?
Maybe you should retract your statement which I'm sure is hurtful to the management team.
I believe the problems are more deep rooted than what you say.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 501 - 25/05/2025 00:47:14
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Replying To hunting: "Any word how the development squads got on this morning" Our B team were hammered by Dublin's B team in u16s . Our u15s beat Dublin by a couple of points. Only team we can compete with is Dublin and Tier 2 counties and thats from u14 to Senior. We cant compete with the Munster teams and Kilkenny and Galway that set up in Ferns is terrible the coaching is non existent
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Replying To hunting: "Any word how the development squads got on this morning" U14 in Cork
Game 1
Purple team Won 3.11 to 1.6
Gold team won 1.10 to 9 points
Game 2
Purple team beaten 2.12 to 1.11
Gold team won 3.11 to 14
Purple team put all subs on in second game and lost due to that.
U15s
A team Won against Dublin 1.21 to 19 points
B team won against Meath 4.15 to 1.15
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 10:02:24
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Replying To hunting: "Any word how the development squads got on this morning" U14 in Cork
Game 1
Purple team Won 3.11 to 1.6
Gold team won 1.10 to 9 points
Game 2
Purple team beaten 2.12 to 1.11
Gold team won 3.11 to 14
Purple team put all subs on in second game and lost due to that.
U15s
A team Won against Dublin 1.21 to 19 points
B team won against Meath 4.15 to 1.15
Tbh results have been pretty good the last couple of years at u14, u15, and u16. They seem to drop off at minor and u20.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 10:03:32
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Replying To Magpie2: "Don't know anything about screenshots viking.
It's an age thing really.
Thanks for the link. Yes I would know the lads fairly well but I like checking from time to time.
Sure isn't that what the programme is for as uninteresting as it is." Suppose it is, and you could use them for small scale stats work either. And keeping scores
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 12:35:51
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I don't really think young players doing one hurling session and one football session is really the issue though, think it's fine as long as their parents have them hurling at home. Would imagine for example that the McGraths wouldn't have had more than one hurling training session per week with Loughmore/Castleleiney at under-age but they would've been playing multiple club matches per week, would've been training with development squads, and would likely have been hurling at home in their own time" Undoubtedly. Exceptionally good players
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 12:36:45
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Everyone's an idiot but you ain't it…..let's just stay doing what we're doing, it's going well. We're overachieving if anything really" I never said we should stay doing what we are doing. Unlike you I've put out loads of different ways we might improve on this forum, some good, some not so good, and some totally unworkable. That's what forums are primarily for, putting out ideas and getting feedback on them. That and having a bit of banter and craic!
And I always try to stay positive as I can, players and managements read this forum, and lads like you saying our young players are really poor doesnt help them get better, and is insulting to them and their families. If you are going to criticise individuals or panels then at least try and point out where you think they might improve.
Sure what would you have us do? Just give up hurling and football because we don't meet your lofty expectations?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 12:45:08
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Everyone's an idiot but you ain't it…..let's just stay doing what we're doing, it's going well. We're overachieving if anything really" Tell us what you think we should be doing differently, and how much of your own time and money you are prepared to put into seeing your ideas put into practice. I'm self employed, I charge 50 euro an hour for what I do for a living, and put in an average of well over 20 hours a week into my involvement with the club, district and county. I'm also a lone parent. You do the maths for yourself.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 12:50:11
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Replying To Bryson: "Our B team were hammered by Dublin's B team in u16s . Our u15s beat Dublin by a couple of points. Only team we can compete with is Dublin and Tier 2 counties and thats from u14 to Senior. We cant compete with the Munster teams and Kilkenny and Galway that set up in Ferns is terrible the coaching is non existent" We beat Cork at u14 yesterday? We got to the Tony Forristal A final last year, we surely beat a Munster County on the way to that final?
Maybe you should apply coach a squad next year?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16027 - 25/05/2025 13:10:32
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Replying To Bryson: "Our B team were hammered by Dublin's B team in u16s . Our u15s beat Dublin by a couple of points. Only team we can compete with is Dublin and Tier 2 counties and thats from u14 to Senior. We cant compete with the Munster teams and Kilkenny and Galway that set up in Ferns is terrible the coaching is non existent" We beat every Munster team we played from 14-16 last year except Waterford who beat us by a point
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