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Brian Fenton Retirement!

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Replying To LimerickForLiam24:  "Dara O'Shea and Jack Barry miles ahead of Fenton."
That oul non 5 in a row PTSD is causing you some issues! You really should get it looked at! Just saying!

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 288 - 25/11/2024 19:31:56    2581234

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Replying To Onion_Sack:  "That oul non 5 in a row PTSD is causing you some issues! You really should get it looked at! Just saying!"
Sound Tom

LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 159 - 28/11/2024 10:15:27    2581561

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Replying To LimerickForLiam24:  "Dara O'Shea and Jack Barry miles ahead of Fenton."
6 in a rows aren't for everyone.

Also, it's Darragh Ó Sé. Have enough respect for the man that you actually spell his name correctly.

Dara O'Shea is an Irish international soccer player, not really in Fenton's league as an inter-county midfielder.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13792 - 28/11/2024 10:54:48    2581569

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Replying To LimerickForLiam24:  "Dara O'Shea and Jack Barry miles ahead of Fenton."
how to say i know nothing about football without using the words i know nothing about football

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2957 - 03/12/2024 19:38:38    2582249

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Brian Fenton and Jack O Shea are way ahead of the pack; nobody else comes close.
They have very similar records: both won 7 AI medals and have 6 All Stars.
Brian scored 4-72 in 64 championship games (1.3 points/game), while Jack scored 11-55 in 53 championship games (1.6 points/game). While Jack scored more goals, strangely, he seems never to have scored a goal in Croke Park.
A big difference is that Jack played championship for 16 years, while Brian played for only 9.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 322 - 04/12/2024 20:32:42    2582400

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Brian Fenton and Jack O Shea are way ahead of the pack; nobody else comes close.
They have very similar records: both won 7 AI medals and have 6 All Stars.
Brian scored 4-72 in 64 championship games (1.3 points/game), while Jack scored 11-55 in 53 championship games (1.6 points/game). While Jack scored more goals, strangely, he seems never to have scored a goal in Croke Park.
A big difference is that Jack played championship for 16 years, while Brian played for only 9."
There were a lot less Championship games though when Jack O'Shea played, very hard to compare players from different generations. They were both 2 of the best ever, there's no doubting that imo.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3139 - 04/12/2024 22:59:14    2582411

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Brian Fenton and Jack O Shea are way ahead of the pack; nobody else comes close.
They have very similar records: both won 7 AI medals and have 6 All Stars.
Brian scored 4-72 in 64 championship games (1.3 points/game), while Jack scored 11-55 in 53 championship games (1.6 points/game). While Jack scored more goals, strangely, he seems never to have scored a goal in Croke Park.
A big difference is that Jack played championship for 16 years, while Brian played for only 9."
Did Jack O Shea not score a wonder goal v Offaly in the 1981 All Ireland Final….. strange a Kerry person would forget that…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3673 - 05/12/2024 07:15:49    2582414

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Brian Fenton and Jack O Shea are way ahead of the pack; nobody else comes close.
They have very similar records: both won 7 AI medals and have 6 All Stars.
Brian scored 4-72 in 64 championship games (1.3 points/game), while Jack scored 11-55 in 53 championship games (1.6 points/game). While Jack scored more goals, strangely, he seems never to have scored a goal in Croke Park.
A big difference is that Jack played championship for 16 years, while Brian played for only 9."
1981 All Ireland Final one of the great goals ever scored by Jack O Shea

GCCABU (Westmeath) - Posts: 21 - 05/12/2024 07:57:59    2582417

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "There were a lot less Championship games though when Jack O'Shea played, very hard to compare players from different generations. They were both 2 of the best ever, there's no doubting that imo."
And Fento retired in his prime. There is easily another 4 years in him.

I am still hopeful he will return after some time out though.....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4116 - 05/12/2024 09:28:19    2582426

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Replying To Fionn:  "And Fento retired in his prime. There is easily another 4 years in him.

I am still hopeful he will return after some time out though....."
I hope he changes his mid too, maybe some time away will cause him to have a rethink, the new rules coming into play might tempt him back you never Know.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3139 - 05/12/2024 10:11:33    2582437

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Replying To Fionn:  "And Fento retired in his prime. There is easily another 4 years in him.

I am still hopeful he will return after some time out though....."
I often wonder how the likes of Brian - top class athlete as well as footballer - can keep it going at the elite level, which the Dubs undoubtedly are, even as far as their thirties. The commitment is unbelievable and private lives have to take second place. If he decides to stay away, the very best of luck to him. He certainly owes nobody anything.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1546 - 05/12/2024 10:41:27    2582443

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Did Jack O Shea not score a wonder goal v Offaly in the 1981 All Ireland Final….. strange a Kerry person would forget that…?"
He did indeed.Jacko scored one of the greayest goals ever scored in An All Ireland final.The ball was worked from one end of the field to the orher without Offaly touching the ball and Jacko hit a screamer past Martin Furlong.Jacko played less than 20 championshop games in croke park as they were no qualifiers then compared to Fenton who woukd have played close to 60 championship games in croke park.
Fenton is thw best midfiekder since Jacko imo and while of course im biased I think Jacko was the best midfielder ive seen.Its very hard to judge players and teams from different eras as one has to take the opposition into account too and its hard to judge.
However imo Jacko played against better midfielders than Fenton in his era and always shone brighly .Jacko played against Dermot Earley Wille Joe Oadden Declan Barron Plunlett DonaghyTeddy McCarthy and of course played against thevgreat Brian Mullins many a time.For those reasons id have Jacko top of the hill .

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 05/12/2024 12:25:51    2582460

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Replying To Fionn:  "And Fento retired in his prime. There is easily another 4 years in him.

I am still hopeful he will return after some time out though....."
7/8 years playing county football is long enough for anyone…. Putting yourself through all that and having no real social life outside the game… When these guys take a break they would find it very hard to recommit to all the disciplined training again..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3673 - 05/12/2024 13:14:33    2582473

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "7/8 years playing county football is long enough for anyone…. Putting yourself through all that and having no real social life outside the game… When these guys take a break they would find it very hard to recommit to all the disciplined training again.."
I think going forward the longevity of GAA inter county players will diminish tbh.

The amount of games has increased substantially since the 70's, 80's, 90's etc.
Added to that the more professional approach these days.

With the new rules, the pace of the game is only going to get faster as well.

31, and at this best, is still young to Retire imo but the demands are so great now.
Greater than ever in my opinion.

We no longer have, or rarely have, dual inter county players anymore also.

As for returning - it will come down to his hunger to come back.
I certainly wouldnt rule it out, but the chances are slim.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4116 - 05/12/2024 13:44:48    2582481

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Did Jack O Shea not score a wonder goal v Offaly in the 1981 All Ireland Final….. strange a Kerry person would forget that…?"
You are correct. I forgot! It was, though, the only championship goal he scored in Croke Park.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 322 - 05/12/2024 14:28:35    2582494

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "He did indeed.Jacko scored one of the greayest goals ever scored in An All Ireland final.The ball was worked from one end of the field to the orher without Offaly touching the ball and Jacko hit a screamer past Martin Furlong.Jacko played less than 20 championshop games in croke park as they were no qualifiers then compared to Fenton who woukd have played close to 60 championship games in croke park.
Fenton is thw best midfiekder since Jacko imo and while of course im biased I think Jacko was the best midfielder ive seen.Its very hard to judge players and teams from different eras as one has to take the opposition into account too and its hard to judge.
However imo Jacko played against better midfielders than Fenton in his era and always shone brighly .Jacko played against Dermot Earley Wille Joe Oadden Declan Barron Plunlett DonaghyTeddy McCarthy and of course played against thevgreat Brian Mullins many a time.For those reasons id have Jacko top of the hill ."
Yes, I somehow forgot that 1981 goal. That was the only goal Jack scored in Croke Park; by "Croke Park" I mean in All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals - no other championship games in Croke Park for Kerry in Jack's time.
But, here's another odd similarity between Jack and Brian: Brian also scored only 1 goal across All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals. (Please stay calm if it turns out Brian scored 2 goals! I'm only human).

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 322 - 05/12/2024 15:05:10    2582500

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Replying To Aibrean:  "You are correct. I forgot! It was, though, the only championship goal he scored in Croke Park."
But what a goal it was

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3673 - 05/12/2024 15:36:11    2582503

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Comparing the massive increase in games these days, I just checked:-

Brian Fenton had 64 Dublin appearances over 10 years
Jack o Shea had 53 Kerry appearances over 17 years

So longevity is definitely going to be an issue going forward.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4116 - 05/12/2024 15:41:43    2582504

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Yes, I somehow forgot that 1981 goal. That was the only goal Jack scored in Croke Park; by "Croke Park" I mean in All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals - no other championship games in Croke Park for Kerry in Jack's time.
But, here's another odd similarity between Jack and Brian: Brian also scored only 1 goal across All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals. (Please stay calm if it turns out Brian scored 2 goals! I'm only human)."
Well tbf the midfielders main role id as a playmaker so scoring is an added. bonus..

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 05/12/2024 18:53:44    2582539

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