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3 up concerns me. Will it not change the game to be more like soccer - well set-up teams settling for counter attacking? With 3 speedsters than can win their own ball on the half-way line the attacking team will likely have 4 back plus the goalie (unless it's Niall Morgan). The attacking team will then have 10 v 12 defenders. The defence will be happy to defend deep until they get the inevitable turnover, quickly get it forward to one of the 3 attackers who will go on a run with empty spaces in front of them for a point or a goal. Then they will let the opposition have the kickout - rinse and repeat. A massive emphasis on fitness. The 'tactical' county managers will have a field day and it will soon seep into club football. Or am I missing something? Newman21 (Donegal) - Posts: 39 - 21/10/2024 08:22:00 2576083 Link
Replying To omahant: "A 4-pointer however, is only worth 2 red flags. I wonder if streamlining the scoring back to '3 and 1' would be better?: Goal - 3 pts Over from at/outside the 40m arc - 1 pt Over from inside the arc, ONLY after 45-20 kick - 1 pt Over from inside the arc, without 45-20 - 0 pts (wide). I'm underwhelmed with the retained long series of hand passing - perhaps only a 'total of two' should be allowed in any sequence of unbroken possession, after the 2nd, a 'forward' kick pass should be required." So what ? Just a big hoof it kick down the field like the 80s? veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 601 - 21/10/2024 08:45:00 2576086 Link
Replying To Newman21: "3 up concerns me. Will it not change the game to be more like soccer - well set-up teams settling for counter attacking? With 3 speedsters than can win their own ball on the half-way line the attacking team will likely have 4 back plus the goalie (unless it's Niall Morgan). The attacking team will then have 10 v 12 defenders. The defence will be happy to defend deep until they get the inevitable turnover, quickly get it forward to one of the 3 attackers who will go on a run with empty spaces in front of them for a point or a goal. Then they will let the opposition have the kickout - rinse and repeat. A massive emphasis on fitness. The 'tactical' county managers will have a field day and it will soon seep into club football. Or am I missing something?" I feel you're right - the big test would be when a defensively mined tactical team bring their interpretation to it. With the keeper adding an extra man I think its easier to play keep ball. Teams will do this as with 3 back the risk of being caught forward is less. I'd expect to see a lot of over and back between the 70 and the 45. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 335 - 21/10/2024 10:35:59 2576103 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "So what ? Just a big hoof it kick down the field like the 80s?" Or maybe the player with can look up the field pick out a place where space on the field exists kick the ball to where a teammate has used his initiative and ran into that space (there should be more space available now) rather than what happens a lot of the time now where often he gets the ball unmarked at jogging pace from a team mate 5 meters away and passes it on to another unmarked player 5 meters away also running at jogging pace. The modern style of football in some ways is a dumbed down version of football. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1386 - 21/10/2024 11:50:07 2576130 Link
All in all I think the rules make the game a lot better. Rules to keep - 3 players up at all times. - Solo and go. - Advanced mark. - No back pass to goalkeeper. Rules to tweak - 2 pointer should be from open play only. - Bring 4 point for goal back to 3. Rules to abandon - The kick out may be difficult for club team playing against a wind. Teams will set up around the arc to defend. Rules to add - 5 subs permitted in each half hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 411 - 21/10/2024 12:00:35 2576136 Link
Replying To hopballref: "All in all I think the rules make the game a lot better. Rules to keep - 3 players up at all times. - Solo and go. - Advanced mark. - No back pass to goalkeeper. Rules to tweak - 2 pointer should be from open play only. - Bring 4 point for goal back to 3. Rules to abandon - The kick out may be difficult for club team playing against a wind. Teams will set up around the arc to defend. Rules to add - 5 subs permitted in each half" Good points there. 2pts for kicking 45s shouldn't be brought in anyway. All converted frees and 45s should be 1pointers only, I agree. I think the 4pt goal is a good idea though. So many games have no goals nowadays, but then again the new rules should initiate more goals anyway, so perhaps 3pts for them is about right. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3850 - 21/10/2024 12:48:36 2576144 Link
There are many positives. We want a more open game for sure. Do we need all the changes? I don't think so but the committee are adamant they all compliment each other. I am not so sure. One thing is for certain. The gap between weaker teams and stronger ones is going to get a lot bigger, especially at club level. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8094 - 21/10/2024 13:03:45 2576151 Link
Replying To hopballref: "All in all I think the rules make the game a lot better. Rules to keep - 3 players up at all times. - Solo and go. - Advanced mark. - No back pass to goalkeeper. Rules to tweak - 2 pointer should be from open play only. - Bring 4 point for goal back to 3. Rules to abandon - The kick out may be difficult for club team playing against a wind. Teams will set up around the arc to defend. Rules to add - 5 subs permitted in each half" Would agree in general Rules to keep - 3 players up at all times. ABSOLUTELY - Solo and go. ABSOLUTELY - Advanced mark. ABSOLUTELY - No back pass to goalkeeper. I THINK SO BUT I THINK INVENTIVE MANAGERS WILL FIND A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT THIS AND REDUCE EFFECTIVENESS. MIGHT NEED MORE THOUGHT Rules to tweak - 2 pointer should be from open play only. MAYBE THIS ONE IS FOR THE ABANDONMENT CATEGORY . YOU CANT HAVE A SITUATION WHEREBY SOMEONE IS FOULED GOING FOR A 2 POINTER AND THEN GETS A FREE TO GET 1. I SEE THE BENEFIT IN IT THOUGH SO MAYBE SOME TWEAK THAT ALLOWS A GUY TO SOLO AND KICK THE FREE - Bring 4 point for goal back to 3. FULLY AGREE. 4 POINTS IS TOO MUCH Rules to abandon - The kick out may be difficult for club team playing against a wind. Teams will set up around the arc to defend. I LIKE THIS ONE AND WOULD NOT ABANDON FULLY. WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT NEEDS MODIFYING TO ACCOUNT FOR WIND OR LOWER GRADES WHERE PLAYERS STRUGGLE TO COMFORTABLE CLEAR THE ARC. MAYBE OUTLINE A SET OF CRITERIA WHERE THE KICK OUT GETS TAKEN FROM A DISTANCE A LITTLE FURTHER OUT IN SOME SCENARIOS. Rules to add - 5 subs permitted in each half WOULD NEITHER STRONGLY AGREE NOR DISAGREE, BUT INITIAL REACTION WOULD BE NO NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR CHANGE SAKE anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 949 - 21/10/2024 14:48:55 2576182 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "There are many positives. We want a more open game for sure. Do we need all the changes? I don't think so but the committee are adamant they all compliment each other. I am not so sure. One thing is for certain. The gap between weaker teams and stronger ones is going to get a lot bigger, especially at club level." I think the gap between weaker and stronger teams is more of a problem at county level. The county boundaries were imposed by our colonial masters to suit their own agenda, which was how best to administer a foreign land with no regard for the native population. Clubs on the other hand are based on the old parish system which has remained unchanged for hundreds of years. All clubs in any given county will find their own level be it senior, intermediate or junior. The exception to this might be the increase in "super clubs" like Kilmacud, Ballyboden and now Cuala in Dublin, which have more signed up members than the whole of Leitrim. tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 330 - 21/10/2024 15:22:05 2576187 Link
Replying To tireoghainabu: "I think the gap between weaker and stronger teams is more of a problem at county level. The county boundaries were imposed by our colonial masters to suit their own agenda, which was how best to administer a foreign land with no regard for the native population. Clubs on the other hand are based on the old parish system which has remained unchanged for hundreds of years. All clubs in any given county will find their own level be it senior, intermediate or junior. The exception to this might be the increase in "super clubs" like Kilmacud, Ballyboden and now Cuala in Dublin, which have more signed up members than the whole of Leitrim." Clubs teams are graded in Leagues and Championships Counties are graded in the Leagues and somewhat in the Sam/TC. The Provincial Inter Co Championships is where you get the weak playing the strong. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1890 - 21/10/2024 16:26:38 2576209 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Clubs teams are graded in Leagues and Championships Counties are graded in the Leagues and somewhat in the Sam/TC. The Provincial Inter Co Championships is where you get the weak playing the strong." It's the exact same at club level. The bottom end of senior and intermediate will get absolutely wiped by bigger teams under new rules as they don't have the players do try and go toe to toe. And smaller squads too. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8094 - 21/10/2024 17:02:52 2576222 Link
The advanced mark is totally ridiculous… catch the ball , have a shot and regardless of the outcome you get another chance… makes a complete laugh of the game… as is handing the ball to the opponent when giving a free away…such nonsense..Leave the scoring system alone… Keep the 3 v 3 and put more restrictions on goalkeepers coming out… use the countdown clock and the miked up referee…! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2940 - 21/10/2024 20:04:10 2576249 Link
Just think in new rules a team could get 18 points and loose to a team who gets 5 scores I know highly unlikely need get rid of new scoring completely also bring ball forward 50 meters and 2 points for kicking 45 also I don't agree with this new afvangec rules u get 10 seconds and u don't score u then get free ur advantage should be it it's like having ur cake and eating it Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 940 - 21/10/2024 20:49:32 2576251 Link

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