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What Is The Best Of Jim Gavins Ideas

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I see some protagonists of the 3 up/back system are depending on roars from the sideline to enforce it at club, under age etc..
Ah here...."
I think what people who are saying is the tactical way modern day Gaelic football has evolved to be played is a disaster and a dead end and therefore in this light it is worth letting these trial rules come into force and have time to bed in for a year to see how they play out.
Letting the current styles of play continue is not a good option.
We know there will be bedding in issues but we need to give time to see will these be overcome when we get used to them.

And then even if there are issues after a year will these issues really more serious than the current negative styles of play spectators and players are having to deal with.
Also maybe after a year there could be some obvious tweaks to new rules which are identified.

There may also be issues with more teams taking bigger beatings, again lets review after a year-
It may be a case of deciding is it really much worse if a team takes a 20 point beating than a 10 point beating playing a thick blanket defense making no attempt to to win.

GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 22/10/2024 11:19:50    2576324

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whats stopping a club groundman lining out the new arc 37 meters at one end of the pitch? home team immediatly at an advantage

Pushup567 (Leitrim) - Posts: 5 - 22/10/2024 12:28:01    2576336

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Replying To Pushup567:  "whats stopping a club groundman lining out the new arc 37 meters at one end of the pitch? home team immediatly at an advantage"
7 metres from the top of the D & 5 metres inside the 45.

everytomdick&harry (Monaghan) - Posts: 19 - 22/10/2024 13:54:35    2576355

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Is changing ends at half time no longer a rule???????

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1864 - 22/10/2024 13:56:59    2576357

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "
Replying To hopballref:  "All in all I think the rules make the game a lot better.

Rules to keep
- 3 players up at all times.
- Solo and go.
- Advanced mark.
- No back pass to goalkeeper.

Rules to tweak
- 2 pointer should be from open play only.
- Bring 4 point for goal back to 3.

Rules to abandon
- The kick out may be difficult for club team playing against a wind. Teams will set up around the arc to defend.

Rules to add
- 5 subs permitted in each half"
Good points there. 2pts for kicking 45s shouldn't be brought in anyway. All converted frees and 45s should be 1pointers only, I agree.

I think the 4pt goal is a good idea though. So many games have no goals nowadays, but then again the new rules should initiate more goals anyway, so perhaps 3pts for them is about right."
Reports suggest that they're going to leave the goal at 3 points and just 1 point for a 45. I think the ratios between the scores are now going to be all wrong. 2 'long points' will then exceed the value of a goal, which is crazy. This devalues a goal and could lead to less of them, even though they are the most exciting score in a game.

The ratio between a long and short point at 2:1 is also imbalanced. It's 3:2 in basketball, which is about right. I know it is not realistic but it should be about 8:3:2 between goals, long and short points. They were originally considering 5:2:1 which undervalued the 'short point' but wasn't bad.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 119 - 22/10/2024 14:55:33    2576372

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Replying To Pushup567:  "whats stopping a club groundman lining out the new arc 37 meters at one end of the pitch? home team immediatly at an advantage"
That's where Leitrim have being going wrong for all these years. Its a game of two halves - can you spread the word?

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 413 - 22/10/2024 15:06:41    2576377

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I see some protagonists of the 3 up/back system are depending on roars from the sideline to enforce it at club, under age etc..
Ah here...."
From my experience there will be no issue with players and keeping 3 up.

In fact the issue may be deciding which 3, there will be no shortage of takers in my club volunteering tonbe one of the 3, in fact begging and will have no problem not coming out, most didn't want to do it in the first place.

I think people are over thinking that this will be an issue in particular.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1419 - 22/10/2024 15:16:57    2576381

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1v1, kick and go, dissent.

The rest are either terrible ideas or can't be done at club level so should not be entertained.

Klaxon could stay as it's not a change to playing rules of the game.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 430 - 22/10/2024 16:37:54    2576405

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here from Cavan

I have read the proposed rule changes and I am of the opinion that if these were to implemented you would need at least two referees in each game, but back to the proposals I feel the best of them are
No1 3 Forwards to be up front at all times
No2 No pass back to the Keeper
No3 Kickout to travel out 45 yeards
No4 Two points for a long range shot out 40 yard from Goal.
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No5 lastly keep them two Boyous that ruined our game away from Gaa games

If these five are not already included get them included for the weekend"
Remains to be seen if Gaelic football has gone past the point of saving! Soccer and rugby are more entertaining. The club games are particularly hard to watch, and being reflected in falling attendances. Harte didn't need to employ this drivel with Tyrone, as his all Ireland winning teams had excellent footballers. Mc Guinness won club titles with Glenties and all Ireland in 2012 with donegal, so in his eyes, the end justified the means. Latest rule changes look drastic!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 364 - 22/10/2024 16:42:05    2576409

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