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Time Limit On A Scorable Free?

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "For what it's worth, another little-known rule where there'd probably be uproar if it ever happened and the referee applied the rule properly -
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.

It's Rule 2.7(a) from Part 2 of the Rule Book.

Basically means he could dribble it soccer-style for as far as he wants, and even do a couple of keepy-uppies, before giving it a 'proper' kick.

And by the absolute letter of the law, he'd even be able to pick it up and carry it with just one hand, because the rule specifies hands (plural)."
You missed part C, if someone other than the goalie is taking the kickout the player receiving the ball could pass it back to him. The rule is specific to the goalkeeper receiving the ball from the kickout.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 26/09/2024 13:19:57    2571952

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Replying To NoDice:  "At a club game over the weekend and the referee was giving players a limit of 15 seconds for scorable frees from the time the whistle was blown to allow the kick be taken. Whistle sometimes being blown before the kicker had the ball even placed.

I'm aware of the 15 seconds limit on an advanced mark. But is there a time limit on a regular free/45 attempts?"
Two wrongs don't make a right. Oddly enough the its a rule that could be introduced as every ref has stopwatches that would allow them to time it. However I would say the timing in Football is generally very quick as most frees are not in kickable positions - so Hurling its a bigger issue but perhaps since there are no rules in hurling its not a problem!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 26/09/2024 13:24:39    2571955

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "For what it's worth, another little-known rule where there'd probably be uproar if it ever happened and the referee applied the rule properly -
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.

It's Rule 2.7(a) from Part 2 of the Rule Book.

Basically means he could dribble it soccer-style for as far as he wants, and even do a couple of keepy-uppies, before giving it a 'proper' kick.

And by the absolute letter of the law, he'd even be able to pick it up and carry it with just one hand, because the rule specifies hands (plural)."
You missed part C, if someone other than the goalie is taking the kickout the player receiving the ball could pass it back to him. The rule is specific to the goalkeeper receiving the ball from the kickout."
Am just taking them one at a time! But yes, 2.7(c) is another anomaly:
A player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to their team's goalkeeper without another player playing the ball.

It's meant to prevent the player taking the kick-out from playing a "one-two" with somebody else. But it assumes that the goalkeeper is taking the kick-out.

However, if the full-back (for example) takes the kick-out and taps it short to a corner-back who's standing just outside the arc, then the corner-back is entitled to tap it right back to the full-back, since he's not passing to the goalkeeper.

On the other hand, if the corner back solos all the way to the other end of the field, then solos all the way back again, and then passes to his goalkeeper, he's committed an offence, since no other player has had the ball. It would be a free to the opposition.

And as already established, if it was a very short pass from within his own small square, then it would be a penalty to the opposition.

Obviously unlikely to ever happen, but this would be the correct application of the rule.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/09/2024 13:53:23    2571959

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While we're at it, another part of Rule 2.7(a) of the Playing Rules of Gaelic Football:
If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, The goalkeeper shall stay in the small rectangle, and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line, outside the semi-circular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.

However, nothing about where the other players have to be if the goalkeeper is taking the kick-out. It would be counter-productive, but you could put all 14 of your other players back on your goal line if you wanted to.

And there's this part of Rule 4, which lists technical fouls - it says that one such foul will be:
To bounce the ball more than once consecutively after catching it.

What about if you gain possession by picking the ball from the ground? i.e. not by catching it?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/09/2024 19:10:28    2572011

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "The problem is I don't believe it happened. Hope that clears it up for you. Refs make mistakes all the time. Tough job. You think a ref will be ruined by you saying what game this took place in. Hardly. Also it never happened."
It did happen as I was there…. I was making the point that referees are being saddled with too many ridiculous rules and in this case despite the opposition calling out his error he did the same thing again…. Now they are going to have to try and implement even more rule changes…. It's all going to lead to the game descending into even more chaos but clowns like you can't see this…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 26/09/2024 20:30:33    2572015

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "While we're at it, another part of Rule 2.7(a) of the Playing Rules of Gaelic Football:
If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, The goalkeeper shall stay in the small rectangle, and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line, outside the semi-circular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.

However, nothing about where the other players have to be if the goalkeeper is taking the kick-out. It would be counter-productive, but you could put all 14 of your other players back on your goal line if you wanted to.

And there's this part of Rule 4, which lists technical fouls - it says that one such foul will be:
To bounce the ball more than once consecutively after catching it.

What about if you gain possession by picking the ball from the ground? i.e. not by catching it?"
That one is covered as they define what a catch is

To gain control of the ball with the hand(s) in a way which prevents it falling to the ground.


However what is important here is the prevents it from falling to the ground. A player could bounce the ball numerous time as long as they don't catch it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 26/09/2024 20:46:38    2572021

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@zinny - had overlooked the definition of 'catch'. Would have thought that if you use the toe to lift the ball into your hands, in such a way that toe and hands are all in contact with the ball at one point, then you wouldn't be actually "catching" it since it's not in flight at any stage. But that definition closes that one off.

And yes, still the case that you can dribble basketball-style. I've seen this happen occasionally, with two hops. But only occasionally!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 27/09/2024 12:14:53    2572080

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "@zinny - had overlooked the definition of 'catch'. Would have thought that if you use the toe to lift the ball into your hands, in such a way that toe and hands are all in contact with the ball at one point, then you wouldn't be actually "catching" it since it's not in flight at any stage. But that definition closes that one off.

And yes, still the case that you can dribble basketball-style. I've seen this happen occasionally, with two hops. But only occasionally!"
And I have seen a ref in a Senior game in Wexford blow it up. I would doubt there are many on them that could explain what a catch is. Not bashing refs or anything as we can't get enough of them but there are so many rules it actually requires constant review by a ref and that does not happen. Some of the events we pointed out could happen but if the last time the ref picked up the rule book to read it was 10yrs ago, how will they ever know. Refs sometimes don't believe that are also part of the problem.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 27/09/2024 13:14:53    2572093

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Morning lads, started a new topic yesterday but hasnt been put up by admin.
Is this the norm or unusual

Clayhog (Kerry) - Posts: 10 - 28/09/2024 10:44:26    2572175

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "It did happen as I was there…. I was making the point that referees are being saddled with too many ridiculous rules and in this case despite the opposition calling out his error he did the same thing again…. Now they are going to have to try and implement even more rule changes…. It's all going to lead to the game descending into even more chaos but clowns like you can't see this…!"
Sure you are the one saying the game is dead and needs changes. Also it didn't happen and you weren't there. Making up stories to back up a point you are making is a bit sad really.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 28/09/2024 16:17:49    2572210

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Sure you are the one saying the game is dead and needs changes. Also it didn't happen and you weren't there. Making up stories to back up a point you are making is a bit sad really."
Sorry to disappoint you but I was there and it did happen…… A bit sad when all you can muster up is " It didn't happen and you weren't there"…. The game is dead and the dogs in the streets even know that.. Changes are needed but dropping some of the stupid rule changes they brought in would make far more sense than bringing in more nonsensical rules that will only make the refs job more difficult, confuse the players and totally frustrate the already dwindling amount of supporters…. The saddest thing of all is that people like you can't see that the game is in big trouble and just keep your head buried in the sand…really sad….!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 28/09/2024 17:28:51    2572213

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Sorry to disappoint you but I was there and it did happen…… A bit sad when all you can muster up is " It didn't happen and you weren't there"…. The game is dead and the dogs in the streets even know that.. Changes are needed but dropping some of the stupid rule changes they brought in would make far more sense than bringing in more nonsensical rules that will only make the refs job more difficult, confuse the players and totally frustrate the already dwindling amount of supporters…. The saddest thing of all is that people like you can't see that the game is in big trouble and just keep your head buried in the sand…really sad….!"
I can keep saying it didn't happen because it didn't. And you must think everyone is stupid to claim it happened twice.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 28/09/2024 19:31:43    2572236

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I can keep saying it didn't happen because it didn't. And you must think everyone is stupid to claim it happened twice."
Were you at the game…? No… because you had your head buried in the deep sand … sad..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 28/09/2024 21:22:51    2572265

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