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Overtime Showdown

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Just re introduce replays and stop all this nonsense of games having to be finished at the first time of asking… Extra time in the replay and then whatever other method of separating teams would be far more effective and acceptable… This rushed through season is really turning people of county football big time…"
How is it rushed through? This year took a heap of games just to get the last 16 down to a last 12.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17069 - 21/09/2024 10:44:27    2571116

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Replying To Viking66:  "How is it rushed through? This year took a heap of games just to get the last 16 down to a last 12."
Well the Final is 6/7 weeks earlier hence there is no time for replays… that all equates to a rushed championship or is that too difficult for you to work out…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 21/09/2024 13:30:56    2571156

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Well the Final is 6/7 weeks earlier hence there is no time for replays… that all equates to a rushed championship or is that too difficult for you to work out…?"
If they got rid of half the pointless games before the finals there would be plenty of time for replays. It's not rocket science. Even a lad like you who apparently has learning difficulties should be able to grasp that one. The problem isn't when the final is. It's the fact there are too many games before it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17069 - 21/09/2024 14:15:59    2571159

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A problem with the Overtime Showdown is advantage of the elements. Team A could have advantage of a gale force wind for the opening score. Their opponent then left with a wind tunnel to try and claw back the score!
With the 40m arc, there should be 5 kicks for points from hand for the shootout. The centre point of the arc, the two points where the arc meets the 20m line and the two quarter points. The current penalty shootouts are soccer style. Work from left to right:
1. Left point where arc meets 20m line.
2. Left quarter point of the arc.
3. Central point of the arc
4. Right quarter point of the arc.
5. Right point where arc meets 20m line.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9187 - 21/09/2024 15:02:38    2571166

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Replying To Viking66:  "If they got rid of half the pointless games before the finals there would be plenty of time for replays. It's not rocket science. Even a lad like you who apparently has learning difficulties should be able to grasp that one. The problem isn't when the final is. It's the fact there are too many games before it."
I agree with you about the pointless games but enough of clowns on here seem to think it's the right thing… As you say get rid of them and there would be plenty of time for replays… but I still think the Final is on too early

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 21/09/2024 16:08:47    2571175

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "
Replying To CeachtPeile:  "What do you think of this proposal to replace penalty shootouts? Would the score have to be from play? Winning by a free.... One ref's free is another ref's wave play on. Penalties are definite, player v player. Defo lose the yank "overtime" nonsense. And have to be a time limit."
100% agree. Big issue there is that scores from frees are not excluded. So it becomes very easy for a ref with an axe to grind to award a couple of soft frees and win the game that way. At least with penalties, there's not much a ref can do to throw the game.

As for the idea that "penalty taking is not a core skill of the game", that's not the case - penalties during the game are an integral feature of Gaelic football, for heaven's sake. It is a skill, and a test of nerve.

And if you get a replay, then teams have had 2 extended periods of play to settle it, if you can't win it after all that, you have no right to be crying about penalties thereafter.

This new proposal is naïve and wide open for abuse and this spite against penalties is hypocritical, as everyone loves watching a shoot-out anyway. Bet you all the anti-penalty de Valera moralists still watch them lol.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 312 - 21/09/2024 17:22:30    2571185

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Replying To legendzxix:  "A problem with the Overtime Showdown is advantage of the elements. Team A could have advantage of a gale force wind for the opening score. Their opponent then left with a wind tunnel to try and claw back the score!
With the 40m arc, there should be 5 kicks for points from hand for the shootout. The centre point of the arc, the two points where the arc meets the 20m line and the two quarter points. The current penalty shootouts are soccer style. Work from left to right:
1. Left point where arc meets 20m line.
2. Left quarter point of the arc.
3. Central point of the arc
4. Right quarter point of the arc.
5. Right point where arc meets 20m line."
The Overtime Showdown proposal has been abandoned for the reason you've given and the fact that it seems it took so long to conclude when they trialled it. Your suggestion of kicks from the arc would be like it is in the LGFA. I don't think they are too exciting. But there must be a better way than penalties.

No matter what gap is left between matches to allow replays, there also are bound to be situations arising where teams cannot be separated - I don't think it's likely you're ever going to have a 4-game series as in 1991 with Dublin and Meath, where any amount of replays could happen. So even if you have a single replay what do you do when the teams are still equal at the end.

Perhaps some variation of the timed shoot-out competition, used in hockey or as was originally used in American soccer, could be trialled? Say a forward, a defender and a goalkeeper with the forward given a fixed time to advance and score.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 171 - 22/10/2024 15:18:52    2576383

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Replying To legendzxix:  "A problem with the Overtime Showdown is advantage of the elements. Team A could have advantage of a gale force wind for the opening score. Their opponent then left with a wind tunnel to try and claw back the score!
With the 40m arc, there should be 5 kicks for points from hand for the shootout. The centre point of the arc, the two points where the arc meets the 20m line and the two quarter points. The current penalty shootouts are soccer style. Work from left to right:
1. Left point where arc meets 20m line.
2. Left quarter point of the arc.
3. Central point of the arc
4. Right quarter point of the arc.
5. Right point where arc meets 20m line."
I like that.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3350 - 22/10/2024 16:34:25    2576402

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "The Overtime Showdown proposal has been abandoned for the reason you've given and the fact that it seems it took so long to conclude when they trialled it. Your suggestion of kicks from the arc would be like it is in the LGFA. I don't think they are too exciting. But there must be a better way than penalties.

No matter what gap is left between matches to allow replays, there also are bound to be situations arising where teams cannot be separated - I don't think it's likely you're ever going to have a 4-game series as in 1991 with Dublin and Meath, where any amount of replays could happen. So even if you have a single replay what do you do when the teams are still equal at the end.

Perhaps some variation of the timed shoot-out competition, used in hockey or as was originally used in American soccer, could be trialled? Say a forward, a defender and a goalkeeper with the forward given a fixed time to advance and score."
The ice hockey shoot out is the only solution
No defender, forward one on one with keeper

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1600 - 22/10/2024 18:26:44    2576428

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Replying To omahant:  "I like that."
Sudden death goal to decide win not penalties.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3182 - 22/10/2024 20:52:35    2576456

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