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Replying To Canuck:  "The answer is not the one in use. Waterford were in the top 6 or 7 teams in the country this year and not in the All -Ireland series. Teams that were lower ranked and not near their level were. That is the reality of this system that greed and money trumps all. What will that do for hurling in Waterford or others in the same situation? Yes we have not won an All-Ireland since 59 but with the exception of one decade have been around the top teams. Now we have to play Russian roulette to get the All-Ireland series that unfortunately includes officiating hurdles. The All -Ireland series is a national competition that should have an open draw. Or else go back to straight knockout and lets get on with the club game."
What I would do is as follows:

There is no way the loser of the Joe Mc should go through.

4th in Munster could play off against 4th in Leinster to take that spot. Waterford were unlucky this year, Cork super lucky.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2676 - 18/09/2024 20:48:02    2570629

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "What I would do is as follows:

There is no way the loser of the Joe Mc should go through.

4th in Munster could play off against 4th in Leinster to take that spot. Waterford were unlucky this year, Cork super lucky."
Lohan it was not bad luck. It was down right robbery and not the Clare 65 that was one. Tipp draw from a goal scored with the player clearly in the square. That would have kept Tipp where they ended up but the All Ireland finalist that everyone is blowing up, gone.
I don't want our championship decided for anyone this way. Delighted for Clare and well deserved.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2853 - 19/09/2024 03:41:22    2570654

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Replying To Canuck:  "Lohan it was not bad luck. It was down right robbery and not the Clare 65 that was one. Tipp draw from a goal scored with the player clearly in the square. That would have kept Tipp where they ended up but the All Ireland finalist that everyone is blowing up, gone.
I don't want our championship decided for anyone this way. Delighted for Clare and well deserved."
Unfortunately these things happen in sports.

You could say the same about Kilkenny sneaking into the Leinster final, or the ROC red card for nothing.

Sadly we've all winter to think about these things, while Clare are likely still celebrating and fair play to them. They've had to endure a lot themselves in the Limerick era.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3043 - 19/09/2024 08:14:31    2570661

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Unfortunately these things happen in sports.

You could say the same about Kilkenny sneaking into the Leinster final, or the ROC red card for nothing.

Sadly we've all winter to think about these things, while Clare are likely still celebrating and fair play to them. They've had to endure a lot themselves in the Limerick era."
Excluding the All Ireland this year, I have loved following Lohan's Clare since Covid Restrictions lifted. We have had some unbelievable days especially in the Munster Championship and thats why I would be reluctent to change it. Now if we (and the time will come) begin to struggle to get out of Munster my opinion might change but as things stand I love the round robin. This year was the cherry on top winning both National Championships but I have enjoyed the ride to this point too.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2676 - 19/09/2024 12:04:36    2570722

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Unfortunately these things happen in sports.

You could say the same about Kilkenny sneaking into the Leinster final, or the ROC red card for nothing.

Sadly we've all winter to think about these things, while Clare are likely still celebrating and fair play to them. They've had to endure a lot themselves in the Limerick era."
I agree Dolyerwex but the stakes are too high for the amateur sports guy who has put so much in. The pro gets his salary cheque win or lose. I have advocated for red card review before issuing and all scores in the last two or three minutes reviewed. However the purest on here don't want that. These are the same ones saying these errors can't be avoided when in fact they can. It probably cost Limerick 5 in a row.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2853 - 19/09/2024 15:00:33    2570779

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree Dolyerwex but the stakes are too high for the amateur sports guy who has put so much in. The pro gets his salary cheque win or lose. I have advocated for red card review before issuing and all scores in the last two or three minutes reviewed. However the purest on here don't want that. These are the same ones saying these errors can't be avoided when in fact they can. It probably cost Limerick 5 in a row."
How do you see a review of all scores in the last 2-3 being reviewed being worked?

A point is a point, regardless what time it happened in.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2676 - 19/09/2024 15:18:56    2570786

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree Dolyerwex but the stakes are too high for the amateur sports guy who has put so much in. The pro gets his salary cheque win or lose. I have advocated for red card review before issuing and all scores in the last two or three minutes reviewed. However the purest on here don't want that. These are the same ones saying these errors can't be avoided when in fact they can. It probably cost Limerick 5 in a row."
It likely cost Limerick 6 in a row Canuck in 2019. Plenty of other AIs could have been won or lost if you were to go back over every decision made. Referees are human. Just like players. And just like players they make mistakes. We missed out on a Leinster Final this year on account of one. We had fought back to parity in the AIQF when an earlier refereeing error meant we went down to 14 men for the rest of the game, minus our best player sent off on 2 yellows when the 1st one wasn't. Cork had a case for a clear free in at the end of the AIF. An AI final we both already agree that they only reached after getting favourable decisions from referees in games they weren't even playing in. What I'm saying is where do you draw the line? I personally can't remember a game or title Wexford won where I thought "Well #### me we were lucky with the ref today!". But I don't see how you can change things that much. If you did would you review all the incidents of dirty play that occur in matches also? The ones the refs missed part or all of? That's opening up a whole new can of worms. Would you send a lad off at halftime for a dirty stroke in the 1st half that was caught on video?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13343 - 19/09/2024 16:15:27    2570801

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree Dolyerwex but the stakes are too high for the amateur sports guy who has put so much in. The pro gets his salary cheque win or lose. I have advocated for red card review before issuing and all scores in the last two or three minutes reviewed. However the purest on here don't want that. These are the same ones saying these errors can't be avoided when in fact they can. It probably cost Limerick 5 in a row."
It likely cost Limerick 6 in a row Canuck in 2019. Plenty of other AIs could have been won or lost if you were to go back over every decision made. Referees are human. Just like players. And just like players they make mistakes. We missed out on a Leinster Final this year on account of one. We had fought back to parity in the AIQF when an earlier refereeing error meant we went down to 14 men for the rest of the game, minus our best player sent off on 2 yellows when the 1st one wasn't. Cork had a case for a clear free in at the end of the AIF. An AI final we both already agree that they only reached after getting favourable decisions from referees in games they weren't even playing in. What I'm saying is where do you draw the line? I personally can't remember a game or title Wexford won where I thought "Well #### me we were lucky with the ref today!". But I don't see how you can change things that much. If you did would you review all the incidents of dirty play that occur in matches also? The ones the refs missed part or all of? That's opening up a whole new can of worms. Would you send a lad off at halftime for a dirty stroke in the 1st half that was caught on video?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13343 - 19/09/2024 16:16:18    2570802

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The ref is human and will make errors. He should be given assistance in making certain decisions. It is only a can of worms if common sense is not used. Like saying X-rays or scans should not be used because the doctor saw nothing wrong. That does not mean someone who needs a band aid gets an Xray.
Many errors are not prohibitive to a team winning because many other factors will play a part. Like time to recover and errors that benefit both sides. The reason I would review red cards is this influences the game at any stage and the possibility of wronging a player. The opposite a player getting away with a serious assault. Scores in the last few minutes because there is no ability to recover from it. This can be done without any delay. There will never be perfection and many more people would be dead if the attitude was don't use the technology available because we might miss something else.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2853 - 19/09/2024 17:57:14    2570832

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The Munster championship is certainly a bear pit and it's unfortunate for the two teams that lose out every year and have to watch lesser teams competing in the All-Ireland series. Much as I enjoy the Munster round robin, I agree with Canuck that a more equitable system should be in place for the All-Ireland series. However, I would not favour his suggested reviewing of incidents in the last 2-3 minutes of games. Refereeing mistakes towards the end of a game are always highlighted whereas mistakes made earlier in matches are often overlooked, even though they can have a major influence on the eventual result.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 579 - 19/09/2024 19:00:20    2570839

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