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Our Accents And Our Culture

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Replying To Bon:  "Always is Doyler, I wouldn't take it personally."
However some take it personally, then some done. The mind boggles.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 04/09/2024 23:19:37    2568500

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Not many Saints about when you read of that report on abuse of children in religious run schools.. ."
I don't mean to be sarcastic or smart in any way but St. Patrick is celebrated the world over on his feast day the 17th of March and is affectionally known as Paddy's day.
St. Brigit's day is religiously and otherwise celebrated on Feb. 1st around the world in no small way. The bottom line is, it is what it is.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 04/09/2024 23:31:21    2568502

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "What is " our culture"?
What aspects are "certainly diluted beyond recognition"?

All I can see is our unique games going from strength to strength (despite footballs problems) while out traditional music and dance has never been more popular have so many participants.

Ár dteanga.... trua mór do bhfuil na Gaeltachtai beagnach imithe ach tá Gaeilscoileanna ag "popáil" suas ar fud na tíre."
What is culture, not by definition but culture is, what you want it to be, what you would like it to be, or what it is.
Our culture has changed from being very friendly to being stand offish or selective of who we befriend, our best friend now is our Mobil phone, on the street, on the bus, train, supermarket or most places. It has changed from being helpful to someone that has a problem to someone who just doesn't want to know.
As a people our values on human life and that of morality has sadly all but disappeared.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 05/09/2024 00:11:36    2568504

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Your right about Connaught as a province needing this year's All Ireland more than Ulster, 2 All Irelands in 58 seasons and none in 23 years are sad statistics."
In the Midlands we say 'Waher' Cihy' etc

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 05/09/2024 00:49:17    2568506

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Replying To eddieSize5Balls:  "Who actually believes in religion in Ireland and is under the age of 35?
Seriously about 3 of my large friends group from lads all over Ireland do, and they tend to believe in fear that if there is an afterlife, they need to behave to get in.

Religion is thankfully being eroded in Ireland, its not needed.
We shouldnt be teaching it past the ages of 9 or 10.
If you want to believe, believe, but dont force it on people."
Very good question. There's probably a difference between "believing" and attending things in the way we've always done.

I person know loads of people who couldn't care less but do christenings, communions, Christmas mass etc. Because those things are a huge part of our culture.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 05/09/2024 11:44:23    2568559

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Replying To supersub15:  "What is culture, not by definition but culture is, what you want it to be, what you would like it to be, or what it is.
Our culture has changed from being very friendly to being stand offish or selective of who we befriend, our best friend now is our Mobil phone, on the street, on the bus, train, supermarket or most places. It has changed from being helpful to someone that has a problem to someone who just doesn't want to know.
As a people our values on human life and that of morality has sadly all but disappeared."
Nostalgia's not what it used to be!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12200 - 05/09/2024 13:58:16    2568583

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Replying To Bon:  "Definitely, sure religion was only ever a means to control people."
How true. The Roman Empire did not tolerate religion. Then along came Constantine and he changed that. Realizing he could not control his kingdom because of its vastness he decided that these religious fanatics could do it for him. Making them subject to him. That was the very start of religion controlling the people, continued and spread. On our island the Catholic Church saw the need to protect the people but the cost was high as they went on to control and abuse their congregation. Interferred with democratic processes as we know. Using the alter the Sunday before a vote to exercise their agenda.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 05/09/2024 15:16:09    2568599

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Nostalgia's not what it used to be!"
That's true. I see it as the bits and pieces of every day life decide the fate of Nostalgia.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 05/09/2024 20:47:12    2568641

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The reality is none of us have an iota of what happens after we die. The concept of an afterlife is a long shot based on peoples hopes and superstitions down through the centuries but unfortunately is not based on anything scientific or verifiable. That said, the magnitude of what we the human race do NOT know is ridiculously un-quantifiable. I'm a bouncy castle catholic myself, I do doo's, functions, weddings & wakes but that is it. I see some of my older relatives and I envy people with a strong faith, they try to do good, don't do anyone any harm and they have no fear of death.

facer4home (Cavan) - Posts: 159 - 09/09/2024 10:47:25    2569042

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Replying To facer4home:  "The reality is none of us have an iota of what happens after we die. The concept of an afterlife is a long shot based on peoples hopes and superstitions down through the centuries but unfortunately is not based on anything scientific or verifiable. That said, the magnitude of what we the human race do NOT know is ridiculously un-quantifiable. I'm a bouncy castle catholic myself, I do doo's, functions, weddings & wakes but that is it. I see some of my older relatives and I envy people with a strong faith, they try to do good, don't do anyone any harm and they have no fear of death."
The fact that brain activity continues for a period after we die is verified, the same goes for all matter being in an infinite cycle of use.

The only question is whether the consciousness survives.

You're right though, I have faith and I think, to say I know would simply be wrong.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 09/09/2024 12:43:28    2569065

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Replying To facer4home:  "The reality is none of us have an iota of what happens after we die. The concept of an afterlife is a long shot based on peoples hopes and superstitions down through the centuries but unfortunately is not based on anything scientific or verifiable. That said, the magnitude of what we the human race do NOT know is ridiculously un-quantifiable. I'm a bouncy castle catholic myself, I do doo's, functions, weddings & wakes but that is it. I see some of my older relatives and I envy people with a strong faith, they try to do good, don't do anyone any harm and they have no fear of death."
If they really had no fear of death they wouldn't need religion for a crutch to support them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 09/09/2024 15:19:11    2569106

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Replying To Viking66:  "If they really had no fear of death they wouldn't need religion for a crutch to support them."
You kind of missed his point there. It's the strong faith for those people that gives them no fear of death.
The majority of the world's population have a faith of some type, and for many of them it gives them comfort in dealing with the trials and tribulations of life, in the same way as the majority of Irish people did a century ago.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 09/09/2024 15:38:15    2569109

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Replying To facer4home:  "The reality is none of us have an iota of what happens after we die. The concept of an afterlife is a long shot based on peoples hopes and superstitions down through the centuries but unfortunately is not based on anything scientific or verifiable. That said, the magnitude of what we the human race do NOT know is ridiculously un-quantifiable. I'm a bouncy castle catholic myself, I do doo's, functions, weddings & wakes but that is it. I see some of my older relatives and I envy people with a strong faith, they try to do good, don't do anyone any harm and they have no fear of death."
I'd say there's more than just people with faith that don't fear death. At the end of the day none of us are getting out of here alive and people just have to accept it, and when they accept this you can then live life without worrying about the inevitable. Also most older people know that they are on borrowed time and they just get on with life.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 09/09/2024 16:58:33    2569130

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Replying To Bon:  "I'd say there's more than just people with faith that don't fear death. At the end of the day none of us are getting out of here alive and people just have to accept it, and when they accept this you can then live life without worrying about the inevitable. Also most older people know that they are on borrowed time and they just get on with life."
Think so too. No point worrying about what is inevitable, and no point wondering what happens next til you get there. By the way I do believe there is something more to life than what we can see, hear, touch, smell, feel or whatever, but I wouldn't be claiming that I know what that is in order to gain money from, or power over, other people.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 09/09/2024 18:02:47    2569142

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Replying To facer4home:  "The reality is none of us have an iota of what happens after we die. The concept of an afterlife is a long shot based on peoples hopes and superstitions down through the centuries but unfortunately is not based on anything scientific or verifiable. That said, the magnitude of what we the human race do NOT know is ridiculously un-quantifiable. I'm a bouncy castle catholic myself, I do doo's, functions, weddings & wakes but that is it. I see some of my older relatives and I envy people with a strong faith, they try to do good, don't do anyone any harm and they have no fear of death."
That is more than a reasonable post, it's also my way of thinking, I am an RC myself which I will stay with, my believes are more important to me than what religion I belong to, however because my religion tallies with my beliefs that's good enough for me.

I am also very much aware that it's easier not to believe than it is to believe.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 09/09/2024 20:49:16    2569161

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My view is when you die it won't matter if there is an afterlife or not because if there is no afterlife you won't realise that because you won't exist just like when before you were born.

Keanu Reaves summed it up best when asked what do you think happens when we die? "The people who love us will miss us"

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11409 - 09/09/2024 21:32:42    2569166

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Replying To facer4home:  "The reality is none of us have an iota of what happens after we die. The concept of an afterlife is a long shot based on peoples hopes and superstitions down through the centuries but unfortunately is not based on anything scientific or verifiable. That said, the magnitude of what we the human race do NOT know is ridiculously un-quantifiable. I'm a bouncy castle catholic myself, I do doo's, functions, weddings & wakes but that is it. I see some of my older relatives and I envy people with a strong faith, they try to do good, don't do anyone any harm and they have no fear of death."
Any doubts at the beginning of your post are well answered by your last sentence

Inatfullforward (Longford) - Posts: 109 - 09/09/2024 22:35:07    2569181

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Replying To yew_tree:  "My view is when you die it won't matter if there is an afterlife or not because if there is no afterlife you won't realise that because you won't exist just like when before you were born.

Keanu Reaves summed it up best when asked what do you think happens when we die? "The people who love us will miss us""
He wouldn't be the person I'd ask when he's immortal

He went by the name Paul Mounet in the 1500s apparently.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 10/09/2024 09:55:07    2569209

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "He wouldn't be the person I'd ask when he's immortal

He went by the name Paul Mounet in the 1500s apparently."
I'm sure living forever would bring a whole new set of problems to overcome. Not for me I think Doyler;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 10/09/2024 12:33:42    2569249

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There's very little difference in all the faiths and they all mostly come from the same mythologies and legends. Faith is fine and I often wish I had it as people with it often appear very content. However organised religion and fundamentalists and extremists down through the centuries have exploited every faith for nefarious reasons. Ireland is no different and I personally cannot see how any moral person can associate themselves with any of our religious orders. Evil is evil and supporting it, even passively, does not strike me as something that will work in your favour in any potential afterlife

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12200 - 10/09/2024 15:30:18    2569284

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