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Very quiet on here. Everyone glued to the telly.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1291 - 18/10/2024 21:12:24    2575733

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Thought tonight's fair worked well.
All sh#t-housery was punished hardly too.
Even the line mark for frees worked well.

Don't see why all the changes wouldn't be adopted.

Poor old Leinster got well punished for not having any decent shooters or man to man defenders.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 18/10/2024 21:50:55    2575735

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Rules worked well. Talking point of the night is how bad leinster football is.
At club level particularly in league games it's going to be hard police the scoring arc in combination with 3 up front.
If its a choice I'd keep the 3 upfront as it creates space to play
Kickout rule is good. Discent rule very good.

How has leinster football fallen so far?

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1667 - 18/10/2024 22:34:55    2575740

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Should all kick outs be from small rectangle and just have to go past the 20m line?
I'm not entirely against the new scoring but it might be too soon without assessing the other rule changes first.
Changes to keep:
1 v 1 throw in.
Passing to goalkeeper rules.
3 v 3 staying back/forward.
Solo and go.
Advanced mark changes, though we didn't get a good look at that today.
Changes to tweak:
Kick outs from the small rectangle to go beyond the 20m line.
Changes to park:
The change to the scoring system. Maybe in time it might be required but not yet, depending on how the other rules play out.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8357 - 18/10/2024 22:42:16    2575742

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Tap and go will suit players like Darragh Canavan. 2 point line won't suit Dublin who worked the ball into the 21 yard line before shooting. Good to see Aidan O Shea showing how it's done and Morgan as usual best player on field. All in all it could work.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2162 - 18/10/2024 22:42:39    2575744

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I like the idea actually of ref drawing the line because a lot of fellas were taking the p..s with gaining ground..tap and go definitely speeds game up..having to keep 3 up definitely creates more space..I'd go for the 4 points for a goal to..one thing I did notice some of the kick passing was dire,so if that improves with new rules then go with it..it will also test the fitness of players a lot more..I'd like to see rules in a league game where something depends on the result..if discipline improves with moving the ball forward then maybe it has a place in the game aswell..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2399 - 18/10/2024 23:02:20    2575746

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Overall like the 1v1 throw in but need to fix where the other 2 midfielders go currently put on the sidelines like goobers. Feels like you really need a fast half back/forward line and not many of the 1v1s won clean

systematic (Galway) - Posts: 119 - 18/10/2024 23:02:55    2575747

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Should all kick outs be from small rectangle and just have to go past the 20m line?
I'm not entirely against the new scoring but it might be too soon without assessing the other rule changes first.
Changes to keep:
1 v 1 throw in.
Passing to goalkeeper rules.
3 v 3 staying back/forward.
Solo and go.
Advanced mark changes, though we didn't get a good look at that today.
Changes to tweak:
Kick outs from the small rectangle to go beyond the 20m line.
Changes to park:
The change to the scoring system. Maybe in time it might be required but not yet, depending on how the other rules play out."
I thought the scoring system worked very well in 2nd game.
Ulster were well on top but Munster got back into it after taking their goal chances.

Munster ended up in possession with 30 seconds to go, needing a goal to win.

Then the defender fouled the ball, tree it away and lost the game.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 18/10/2024 23:36:48    2575751

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I found the new rules quiet mixed. Probably good overall. I felt that the 3 up at all times needs tweaking though. Niall Morgan was allowed to go forward and was unmarked by rule. This isn't right. For the restriction to work a keeper or an extra player needs to stay back as well. So 4 v 3.

It also seemed easier to keep possession and recycle. A few times teams pushed out. I'd add either a shot clock or a no back court type rule.

I don't know if the scoring system change added anything.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 365 - 18/10/2024 23:38:49    2575753

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Ironic that the first 4 pointer and 1st 2 pointer both scored by Mayo players!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1994 - 18/10/2024 23:40:07    2575754

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I think all Leinster counties bar KK were represented on Leinster, with the most counties relative to the othe provinces the talent pool was spread,too,thin a no of div3 &4 counties represented. With the other provincial sides you can have a few from the weaker counties but then you can fill,the rest from strong counties. That explains Leiinster

Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 562 - 19/10/2024 01:24:43    2575761

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5 of the 7 "core enhancements" are small at the end of the day. 1 v 1, 3 v 3, passing to goalkeeper rules, solo & go and the attacking mark changes aren't overly major changes. Granted the monitoring of 3 up and 3 back is a concern but the evidence last night is that it is a big improvement, offering a direct attacking outlet.
6) The kick out should be revised. 13m should be sufficient distance for the ball to travel. 13m with the 3 v 3 and goalkeeper passing rules should suffice.
7) Changing the scoring system seems to fit into the category of changing too much too soon. If the 5 "small core enhancements" don't have the complete desired affect, the scoring system could always be reexamined.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8357 - 19/10/2024 06:35:33    2575765

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Rules worked well. Talking point of the night is how bad leinster football is.
At club level particularly in league games it's going to be hard police the scoring arc in combination with 3 up front.
If its a choice I'd keep the 3 upfront as it creates space to play
Kickout rule is good. Discent rule very good.

How has leinster football fallen so far?"
Did think Leinster looked fairly strong on paper. Connacht just way stronger on the pitch.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14082 - 19/10/2024 07:57:26    2575767

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Replying To Viking66:  "Did think Leinster looked fairly strong on paper. Connacht just way stronger on the pitch."
How did Leinster look stronget on paper with players from Wexford, Carlow and Longford with all due respect?

The standard in Leinster is woeful which was pretty apparent last night.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1054 - 19/10/2024 08:51:06    2575776

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Replying To legendzxix:  "5 of the 7 "core enhancements" are small at the end of the day. 1 v 1, 3 v 3, passing to goalkeeper rules, solo & go and the attacking mark changes aren't overly major changes. Granted the monitoring of 3 up and 3 back is a concern but the evidence last night is that it is a big improvement, offering a direct attacking outlet.
6) The kick out should be revised. 13m should be sufficient distance for the ball to travel. 13m with the 3 v 3 and goalkeeper passing rules should suffice.
7) Changing the scoring system seems to fit into the category of changing too much too soon. If the 5 "small core enhancements" don't have the complete desired affect, the scoring system could always be reexamined."
Just to be clear.
There will be no re examining in the next 5 years

Congress brought in a rule a few years back where playing rules could be changed only every 5 years.

2025 is the year for change
Any changes brought in at special congress get trialled for a year and then there is a vote onto them again this time next eat after the years trial.

If a rule doesn't go into trial in 2025, it will be 2030 before it can be changed.

If football doesn't change in 2025, there will be noone going to matches on 2030.

So if you leave out the changes to the scoring system, it can't be added later.

If you look at the games yesterday, where they better than the shite we had to watch all year (club and county).
If so, the whole lot should go forward for 2025, and then take out the ones that don't work at the end of 2025.

There is nothing to be lost for trying them out

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 19/10/2024 09:32:51    2575778

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Replying To brianb:  "I found the new rules quiet mixed. Probably good overall. I felt that the 3 up at all times needs tweaking though. Niall Morgan was allowed to go forward and was unmarked by rule. This isn't right. For the restriction to work a keeper or an extra player needs to stay back as well. So 4 v 3.

It also seemed easier to keep possession and recycle. A few times teams pushed out. I'd add either a shot clock or a no back court type rule.

I don't know if the scoring system change added anything."
Niall Morgan at the end of the game possibly showed that maybe keepers can should only get involved in the attacking 45m zone. A keeper can help keep ball and slow down the game between the 45m and halfway. It will be harder to do that in the attacking 45.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8357 - 19/10/2024 09:44:19    2575780

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "I thought the scoring system worked very well in 2nd game.
Ulster were well on top but Munster got back into it after taking their goal chances.

Munster ended up in possession with 30 seconds to go, needing a goal to win.

Then the defender fouled the ball, tree it away and lost the game."
Yeah but is that another discussion? Within the current scoring system, should the value of a goal increase anyway?
If 3v3, the goalkeeper passing rule, solo & go and the attacking mark improves attacking play, the scoring system can potentially remain the same. If they want to encourage more goals, increasing the value is one way of making it a more attractive option.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8357 - 19/10/2024 09:47:49    2575781

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As a few have posted some of the rules are very straight forward and it's not even a debate.

- the back pass. It 100% made a difference with teams pushing up a bit and attacking having to go forward. I'm not sure about the keeper in the opposition half. It will make the keeper the most important position by far. Also near the end they can create keep ball by keeper being round the middle.

-the solo and go. Not quite as evident as I thought but the not fully competitive nature of the matches probably reduced the amount of opportunity. I'm all for it though.

- The throw up is pretty much a guarantee to implement and was much more sightly than the current situation.

- I see some resistance to the 50 metre advancement for slowing things down after a foul or a bit of mouthing. The 50 metre punishment will stop the messing almost instantly so it's a complete yes for me too. I would tweak it somewhat on a few things. When you overcarry for example players hold on to the ball or throw it away then it's 50 metre punishment no bother. But opposition players can't swarm to get the ball back either. They'll do that to manipulate a 50 metre advancement. It kind of happened with forker. He was holding on after the overcarry but even if he wanted to he couldn't free the ball with three men on of him. Also after a foul I don't think you should be obliged to put the ball on the ground. I think the rule is to hand the ball to the opposition player which us too much.

- I like the kickout as well. You can be quicker on it as well which is good. It also encourages a push up which us great and will reward the long kickouts as well. Connacht did a number on cluxton and he struggled to have a ling kick out as an alternative.

- I'm all for three up three back. It will be hard to police but I would absolutely bear with it to see.


- maybe the scoring changes could wait to see if all of the above work first as someone else has said.

-the mark was close to irrelevant anyway. It will be even more so now.

Some players saying they had to run more and be fitter. Some of then players need to learn to kick the ball. Some of the kick passing was poor.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 19/10/2024 09:56:19    2575782

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Very hard to judge without real bite in a game. Sweepers were still deployed and at times the over and back hand passing kicked in when defences were organized. No need for the 2 point arc, it completely excludes the classic corne forward score from the wing inside the 21 and rewards straight long frees. Back to 3 points for a goal but do away with the fisted points (an abomination). Tap and go good, dissent rule really good.

catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 151 - 19/10/2024 10:33:35    2575785

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Replying To Bainisteoir:  "I think all Leinster counties bar KK were represented on Leinster, with the most counties relative to the othe provinces the talent pool was spread,too,thin a no of div3 &4 counties represented. With the other provincial sides you can have a few from the weaker counties but then you can fill,the rest from strong counties. That explains Leiinster"
Fair points but Leinster didn't look too interested. Connacht were out warming up well before them, looked like a team that had trained for it. They played like a team and were having a go but Leinster were too defensive. I thought Daniel Flynn was one of the few men with a bit of flair on the Leinster team on the night and they subbed him off too early. Did well when they brought him back on too.

Fair play to Munster they gave Ulster a game of it though we left it at half time. After a downpour after 5 the wind and rain cleared and it was a lovely night for football. What was lacking though was hard hitting, games weren't too physical. Made it a bit boring for me. That'll change when rules are tried in competition.

I like the ref bringing ball forward for dissent, though how many metres for? I don't like the 4 points for a goal, not sure why, I think 3 is fine. I think the 2 points from outside the arc is fine only if it's from play. It's positive that they're making some changes, hopefully it'll improve games but there will still be spells of 11 defenders sitting in and keepers joining the attack. Give it time. Glad I went but can't imagine many watching on TV had regrets that they didn't go.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7693 - 19/10/2024 11:07:45    2575789

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