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Replying To Pikeman96: "I still don't like it myself, and my own club was there to vote for one of the motions for change.
But as Viking says, seems it was left in place mainly to just give more time to see it in operation, rather than changing it after just one year. I'd suspect at least some who decided to leave it in place might not be fully in favour of it ether, but thought it at least deserves a second chance, before there's a decision on whether it should carry on into a third year and beyond.
I believe Fenlon claimed that the structure and the extra round contributed to our club teams doing better in Leinster last year than in other recent years. I don't accept that myself. Think it was far more of a factor that we moved away from the split season and so our hurling champions were going into Leinster more or less straight after their county finals, instead of having a gap of 10 to 12 weeks." The fact that the 3 hurling champions went into Leinster straight after our county finals definitely stood to them. I agree with you, I don't think it had anything to do with the structure. That structure works in Kilkenny because they play their football championship from March til May. Effectively they have a split season as regards Football and Hurling.
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It ll mean more hurlers play less football something the advisory board won't shed many tears over .
If u had come up with the format would you say it failed . I think not , egos won't allow it .
An extra game to add to congested season .
Where the semi finals were played in unplayable conditions as we had no contingency and contributed to poor spectacle, no player after training since January/feb wants to play the most importantt game of the year in those conditions too much at stake all for a format that gives u one more game but the stakes aren't that high until the prelims. Guarantee any dual player woukd welcome a weekend off during a possible 17week championship season . Play all round Robin games then have week off .
A possible get out of jail clause for 6th place teams if they can raise their game for one game .
Cloughbawn we're the team that got shafted last year after early promise they lost momentum and rapps and c/beg waiting in the long grass . If anyone thinks it's a fair system ask cloughbawn
I still say finish 6th out and in relegation final 4th 5th maybe preliminary no objection to that .
Or 5th 6th into relegation semi .
All teams quartered 6 games .
That ship has sailed now but no matter what format would be proposed. The sway from advisory board will still carry too much influence for different reasons
Bigger worry at moment is the actual county team itself we ll see if the local championship has prepped these boys for the battle in every game or will we pick our battles and be inconsistent.
the mentality could be devised from lack of jeopardy in local championship .
Best of luck to them and the footballers for the year
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 319 - 24/01/2025 13:58:52
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Replying To Viking66: "The fact that the 3 hurling champions went into Leinster straight after our county finals definitely stood to them. I agree with you, I don't think it had anything to do with the structure. That structure works in Kilkenny because they play their football championship from March til May. Effectively they have a split season as regards Football and Hurling." Was the vote close or what was the split in favour of the other motions? I know our club was in favour of the Oulart proposal so surprised to see the status q stay the same.
Horeswoods proposal that went through probably makes the mini table thing alot easier in now its score difference first instead of who won against each other.
Alleys proposal means that they will look into further, meaning there might be another grade, A Junior C, i would be in favour of that.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 24/01/2025 14:35:58
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Replying To Formertownie: "It ll mean more hurlers play less football something the advisory board won't shed many tears over .
If u had come up with the format would you say it failed . I think not , egos won't allow it .
An extra game to add to congested season .
Where the semi finals were played in unplayable conditions as we had no contingency and contributed to poor spectacle, no player after training since January/feb wants to play the most importantt game of the year in those conditions too much at stake all for a format that gives u one more game but the stakes aren't that high until the prelims. Guarantee any dual player woukd welcome a weekend off during a possible 17week championship season . Play all round Robin games then have week off .
A possible get out of jail clause for 6th place teams if they can raise their game for one game .
Cloughbawn we're the team that got shafted last year after early promise they lost momentum and rapps and c/beg waiting in the long grass . If anyone thinks it's a fair system ask cloughbawn
I still say finish 6th out and in relegation final 4th 5th maybe preliminary no objection to that .
Or 5th 6th into relegation semi .
All teams quartered 6 games .
That ship has sailed now but no matter what format would be proposed. The sway from advisory board will still carry too much influence for different reasons
Bigger worry at moment is the actual county team itself we ll see if the local championship has prepped these boys for the battle in every game or will we pick our battles and be inconsistent.
the mentality could be devised from lack of jeopardy in local championship .
Best of luck to them and the footballers for the year" I made some of those points myself.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 24/01/2025 14:50:27
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@Formertownie - I think it's a real red herring that the club hurling championship structure "will help with our county team".
Looking at the 15 named to start against Cork tomorrow, and thinking in particular of younger players hoping to establish themselves more on the team going forward, like Darragh Carley (Glynn/Barntown), Corey Byrne Dunbar (Ferns) and Conor Foley (Horeswood) - are they really better prepared for inter-county hurling now because they got to play an extra club match last September? Or does that match really make no difference as regards how they'll fare with the county team this year?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 24/01/2025 14:50:59
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I still don't like it myself, and my own club was there to vote for one of the motions for change.
But as Viking says, seems it was left in place mainly to just give more time to see it in operation, rather than changing it after just one year. I'd suspect at least some who decided to leave it in place might not be fully in favour of it ether, but thought it at least deserves a second chance, before there's a decision on whether it should carry on into a third year and beyond.
I believe Fenlon claimed that the structure and the extra round contributed to our club teams doing better in Leinster last year than in other recent years. I don't accept that myself. Think it was far more of a factor that we moved away from the split season and so our hurling champions were going into Leinster more or less straight after their county finals, instead of having a gap of 10 to 12 weeks." Yeah I get that people want to give it a chance for another year but I agree with you and Viking in that the structure had absolutely nothing to do with the 3 hurling teams doing well in Leinster. Obviously it's a better situation for teams not to have to wait 12 or 13 weeks before the Leinster championship full stop. The whole thing about being similar to the Kilkenny club championship is null and void as Viking says their football championship runs much earlier. I just didn't enjoy last year's championship at all but hopefully it'll be better this year but I fail to see how in fairness.
Sorry if I seem overly negative btw, I'm gonna leave it there and forget about it, concentrate on the intercounty and pray for a few good spring/summer performances.
YellowShadeOfPurple (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 24/01/2025 15:45:50
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Was the vote close or what was the split in favour of the other motions? I know our club was in favour of the Oulart proposal so surprised to see the status q stay the same.
Horeswoods proposal that went through probably makes the mini table thing alot easier in now its score difference first instead of who won against each other.
Alleys proposal means that they will look into further, meaning there might be another grade, A Junior C, i would be in favour of that." The Horeswood thing is the complete opposite. What it now means is is three or more teams finish level, then positions are decided by:
1 - Points gained in the "mini league" of matches between those teams
2 - If still level, score difference in just the matches in the "mini league"
3 - If still level after that, total overall score difference.
Previously, we skipped Step 2.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 24/01/2025 17:28:20
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When they were debating the format did anyone say it was a success and how .
or give any indication of what areas and how they expect the format to improve the championship or hurling in general
Is it just an extra game for the sake of playing an extra game and hoping more players will forego football in favour of hurling .
I m surprised it got through as anyone I spoke to did nt think the format as is , is fit for purpose .
It definitely needs tweaking of course that's just my opinion .
We ll wait and see I could be proved wrong .
Suppose if it was withdrawn people would lose confidence in the advisory committee and question their knowledge .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 319 - 24/01/2025 20:16:30
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Replying To Viking66: "The fact that the 3 hurling champions went into Leinster straight after our county finals definitely stood to them. I agree with you, I don't think it had anything to do with the structure. That structure works in Kilkenny because they play their football championship from March til May. Effectively they have a split season as regards Football and Hurling." Do clubs and the supporters really care that much about the Leinster Club championship anyway and if they don't why should we define our season by it. At the start of the year how many clubs set out as their target to advance in the Leinster Club Championship, I would they three, Shels and Castletown in Football and the Martins in Hurling, the first two while winning the county is the first target, given their dominance over the past few years Leinster is where they want to prove themselves, sure they have to win the county first but they want to get to the next level. In hurling although the Martins only won it last year, I think everyone here would say that each year they would be favorites to win it, they have have had the best players but as we know that doesn't mean you win and perhaps that has always been their problem, arrogance in thinking they deserve to win. That said again next year they would be thinking we are the best team in the county but our ambition should be higher than that. Had the split season been in place last year I don't think the Martins would have done any worse. Blaming the structures is an easy option.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1910 - 25/01/2025 02:41:31
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Replying To Formertownie: "When they were debating the format did anyone say it was a success and how .
or give any indication of what areas and how they expect the format to improve the championship or hurling in general
Is it just an extra game for the sake of playing an extra game and hoping more players will forego football in favour of hurling .
I m surprised it got through as anyone I spoke to did nt think the format as is , is fit for purpose .
It definitely needs tweaking of course that's just my opinion .
We ll wait and see I could be proved wrong .
Suppose if it was withdrawn people would lose confidence in the advisory committee and question their knowledge ." Think your last line goes some way toward answering your question.
When you've people like Adrian Fenlon and others from the Hurling Advisory Committee in the room, looking for support for keeping "their" system, at least some are reluctant to vote against it. Would be thinking along the lines of "well they all want to keep it, and in fairness they know more about hurling than I do, so maybe we should give it another go after all".
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 27/01/2025 13:41:11
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Replying To zinny: "Do clubs and the supporters really care that much about the Leinster Club championship anyway and if they don't why should we define our season by it. At the start of the year how many clubs set out as their target to advance in the Leinster Club Championship, I would they three, Shels and Castletown in Football and the Martins in Hurling, the first two while winning the county is the first target, given their dominance over the past few years Leinster is where they want to prove themselves, sure they have to win the county first but they want to get to the next level. In hurling although the Martins only won it last year, I think everyone here would say that each year they would be favorites to win it, they have have had the best players but as we know that doesn't mean you win and perhaps that has always been their problem, arrogance in thinking they deserve to win. That said again next year they would be thinking we are the best team in the county but our ambition should be higher than that. Had the split season been in place last year I don't think the Martins would have done any worse. Blaming the structures is an easy option." Ah, but it's a big thing for a club to play in Leinster if they win a county final, even if realistically they haven't a great chance of winning Leinster.
Telling every club in the county that they won't get to play in Leinster if they win their county final, because we're not planning to have our county championships finished in time, would be a kick in the teeth to any of them with genuine county title hopes for the year.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 27/01/2025 13:43:52
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Well, from talking to my old club mates the format this year was a disaster and they hated the lack of cut and bite and danger of being knocked out. That big "do or die" group game is what makes the championship and I always loved the tension in the build up.
Having everybody go through is a bit like something you would see at an u8 blitz, keep everybody happy. These are the big leagues.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1797 - 29/01/2025 13:31:39
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