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Can't see the county returning to split season, although there seems to be a lot of support for it from clubs around the county. Anyone think it will pass??
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 243 - 18/01/2025 10:16:28
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Replying To WexMurph: "Can't see the county returning to split season, although there seems to be a lot of support for it from clubs around the county. Anyone think it will pass??" I don't think it will pass, but it makes alot of sense for many different reasons. The main advantage of this year's format as it played out was it meant our 3 hurling champions were better prepared for Leinster. It wasn't great in every other way.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 18/01/2025 18:03:04
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To alwaysasub: "Championship and league motions as follow
Adult Hurling Championships 2025: Senior to Junior A.
2 groups of 6 teams (Groups A and B).
• Team finishing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each group into quarter finals.
• Team finishing 4th and 5th each group into preliminary quarter final.
• Place 6 in each group into relegation final.
• Open draw for Semi Final.
Preliminary QF
A4 v B5 PQF1
B4 v A5 PQF2
Quarter Final.
A1 v Winner PQF2*
B1 v Winner PQF1*
A2 v B3 B2 v A3
*Avoid repeat pairings from Group stage if possible.
Relegation Final
A6 v B6
Advantages: Makes group phase much more competitive with immediate consequence for coming 6th
Advantage of coming 1st,2nd, or 3rd- encourages teams to finish higher group for better QF draw and allowing space for recovery and preparation. Consequence to finishing 6th in group making Round 5 matches more important.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
That Hurling & Football Championships at Senior, Intermediate, Intermediate 'A', Junior and Junior 'A' grades be organised on the following basis:
· Twelve teams in each grade, split into two groups of six on a seeded basis.
· Each team plays the other teams within their group in the round-robin stage.
· The top four teams in each group proceed to quarter-finals, to be played on a basis of:
o 1st in Group A v 4th in Group B
o 2nd in Group A v 3rd in Group B
o 3rd in Group A v 2nd in Group B
o 4th in Group A v 1st in Group B
· Fifth-placed team in each group exits the championship.
· Sixth-placed team in each group contests a Relegation Final.
· Semi-finals will be open draw, with repeat pairings to be avoided where possible.
Ferns and Askamore-Kilrush GAA Club
Hurling and football championships from senior to junior played in blocks as in 2024. But when it gets to quarter finals, we play hurling quarter, semifinals and finals followed by football quarter, semifinals and finals.
Davidstown-Courtnacuddy GAA Club
That the hurling and football championships revert back to a "split season" arrangement for 2025 onwards, hurling first until conclusion, then football. And that hurling returns to the pre 2024 arrangement of top 4 in each group of 6 go through to QFs, bottom in each group into relegation final, as is still the case in Football.
Taghmon-Camross GAA Club
4x groups of 3 teams
Top team in each group through to qtr. final.
Bottom 2 teams in each group through to preliminary qtr. final.
Winner of preliminary qtr. final goes to qtr. final & loser goes to relegation semi-final.
Cloughbawn GAA Club
Bottom team only from each group go straight into relegation final.
Oylegate-Glenbrien GAA Club
In the event that two teams finish level on the same points in the league section of the Championship, the head-to-head deciding factor is removed as the first option and replaced by the scoring difference between the two teams involved. If the scoring difference is equal, then the highest overall score of the teams involved is taken into account and whichever team has the highest overall score is placed directly above the other team in the league. In the event that this amount is also equal the resolution reverts to the head-to-head.
Horeswood GAA Club
When three or more teams finish on equal points in the league section of the Championship and a "mini league" is formed and when the teams are tied after the existing first deciding factor, i.e. the number of league points earned from the games between the teams involved does not resolve the teams' positions, score differences in
the "mini league" should be the next deciding factor. If the teams still can't be separated overall scoring differences should be the next deciding factor.
Horeswood GAA Club
That divisions in the All-County Leagues (both hurling and football) correspond to championship gradings - i.e. Division 1 comprises the 12 senior teams, Division 2 comprises the 12 intermediate teams, etc.
If championship structure remains as two groups of six in each grade, then league fixtures operate as per 2022 and earlier years - i.e. each team has six league fixtures (one v each team in the opposite championship group).
If a different group structure is adopted for championship, then each team continues to have six league fixtures against other teams in the same championship grade, on a basis to be decided by the CCC.
CCC to decide when compiling master fixtures calendar whether Leagues will include semi-finals involving the top two teams from each group (1st in Group A v 2nd in Group B, and 2nd in Group A v 1st in Group B), or whether to proceed directly to finals (1st in Group A v 1st in Group B). Clubs to be informed of CCC's decision before the commencement of the League.
Ferns GAA Club
All County Adult Football and Hurling Leagues. That the first round of the ACHL not be played until weekend 4th/5th/6th April. 2 or 3 rounds of football be played before hurling is played. Ideally this will allow for pitches and weather conditions to improve before the first hurling round.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
Proposal for a Junior C Hurling Championship
The 2024 Junior B Hurling Championship had just 24 teams (there were 38 teams in 2022 post COVID).
· Gorey: 7 teams
· Enniscorthy: 4 teams
· New Ross: 6 teams
· Wexford: 9 Teams
This dramatic reduction in the number of teams and players participating in our county needs to be addressed.
The purpose of the current Junior B and proposed Junior C championship is development of younger players and to provide a participation level for weaker players.
With the Junior B championship arranged on a district basis, there is a large gap between top and bottom in each district. For the teams at the bottom of the tables in each district, consistently losing by large margins results in drop off in participation across the season and is not providing meaningful games at this level.
Players play at this level to either:
(a) Win a place on the next team up in the club; or
(b) For enjoyment.
There is no enjoyment in one sided game and these participation-based players are leaving our games.
We propose that:
· The Junior B Hurling Championship be played on an All-County basis in 2025 using the same format as the Junior C Hurling Championship. The 2025 Junior B Championship would consist of the 7 remaining district finalists plus the team relegated from the Junior A championship in 2024. In addition, there would be four additional teams graded to play Junior B championship by the CCC-Fixtures.
· That a Junior C Hurling Championship be organised, played on a district basis with Wexford and New Ross districts combined and Gorey and Enniscorthy districts combined.
· Districts to organise a Junior C competition to provide as many meaningful games as possible within the window allowed so as to promote and increase the number of adults playing hurling in the County.
· CCC-Fixtures would determine a suitable structure for a Junior C Hurling Championship at county level.
Buffers Alley GAA Club
With regards to the first round of the U21 championships in Premier/Division 1, when a walkover occurs, that the team who receives a walkover (the weaker team in seeding), should, subject to county board/competitions control authority approval, be allowed to request to be placed in a lower division (i.e, premier to Division 1). This is to benefit the weaker team that received the walkover. Currently the first round is seeded between the
8 stronger teams and 8 weaker teams. In most cases, if the game would be played the weaker team would lose and would have been expected to play in Division 1. Due to the fact currently when you give a walkover in the U21 championships, you withdraw from the championship so there is a place available in both Premier and Division 1.
Blackwater GAA Club
CCC Loch Garman
1.The second paragraph of Bye Law 8 to be amended as follows (amendment in bold);
"A player who has not played championship within the County in the last two calendar years may apply for a Transfer at any point up to a date set by the CCC on an annual basis to not be later than fourteen days prior to the commencement of adult championship e.g. a player may seek a transfer at any point prior to the commencement of adult championship in 2025 as long as they have not played championship for their present club in either 2023 or 2024. Confirmation of date of last championship game played must be confirmed by the Secretary of the player's current club as part of the application process."
The purpose of this proposed amendment is to provide sufficient time for the appeals process.
2. For Junior and Junior A Championship the CCC recommend that the 5th game in the Championship be played at a neutral venue and that all Clubs be required to make venues available to facilitate same.
3. For First and Second Rounds of Junior B League Championship, no walkover fee will apply where 3 days notice in advance of the proposed fixture is given. A fine of €100 will apply in respect of any walkover given in the first and second round of the Junior B League Championship where less than 3 days notice is given. Any walkover in subsequent rounds will incur a fine of €200.
4. In the Junior B League Championship, in the event of one team having only 13 or 14 players, both Clubs must play the lower number of players available. In the event of both Clubs having a minimum of 15 players, normal rules apply.
5. For Junior B League Championship, unlimited substitutes will be permitted. For knockout stages, normal Championship substitution rules apply.
6. Regulation 8.21 be amended as follows: (amendment in bold)
"8.21 Clubs who do not have an Active Referee will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund.
From 2026, in addition to the above, all Clubs at Senior Grade who do not have two Active Referees will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund. Exception - a team promoted to Senior Grade is exempt in year one of its promotion, from this requirement.
The list of Active Referees is determined by the Referees' Administration Committee."
This proposed amendment to Regulation 8.21 aims to ensure availability of sufficient Referees to safeguard continuity of current underage and adult games programme.
CCC Loch Garman" CCC motion on refs makes sense"
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 228 - 20/01/2025 09:09:19
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Replying To Viking66: "I don't think it will pass, but it makes alot of sense for many different reasons. The main advantage of this year's format as it played out was it meant our 3 hurling champions were better prepared for Leinster. It wasn't great in every other way." The structure wasnt great which opefully will be rectified in the upcoming meeting but the main caveat for me is that if a person gets injured he isnt missing for most of the championship. Also from a spectator view, i found it alot better in that it wasnt played out over 6-7 weeks.
On the 2 referees, i would assume its only senior due to the fact that most of the senior clubs are some of the largest clubs in the county, Shels, Martins, Naomh Eanna etc so they should be able to provide 2 referees. That would be my take on it.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 20/01/2025 11:05:13
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Replying To alwaysasub: "The structure wasnt great which opefully will be rectified in the upcoming meeting but the main caveat for me is that if a person gets injured he isnt missing for most of the championship. Also from a spectator view, i found it alot better in that it wasnt played out over 6-7 weeks.
On the 2 referees, i would assume its only senior due to the fact that most of the senior clubs are some of the largest clubs in the county, Shels, Martins, Naomh Eanna etc so they should be able to provide 2 referees. That would be my take on it." The likes of Rathnure, Gusserane or St James wouldnt have large numbers however. Nor might not have suitable candidates to be refs. The reffing was shocking last year in the hurling, firing in refs now to fix the problem could create more issues,
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 759 - 20/01/2025 11:22:36
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Replying To lefty: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=alwaysasub: "Championship and league motions as follow
Adult Hurling Championships 2025: Senior to Junior A.
2 groups of 6 teams (Groups A and B).
• Team finishing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each group into quarter finals.
• Team finishing 4th and 5th each group into preliminary quarter final.
• Place 6 in each group into relegation final.
• Open draw for Semi Final.
Preliminary QF
A4 v B5 PQF1
B4 v A5 PQF2
Quarter Final.
A1 v Winner PQF2*
B1 v Winner PQF1*
A2 v B3 B2 v A3
*Avoid repeat pairings from Group stage if possible.
Relegation Final
A6 v B6
Advantages: Makes group phase much more competitive with immediate consequence for coming 6th
Advantage of coming 1st,2nd, or 3rd- encourages teams to finish higher group for better QF draw and allowing space for recovery and preparation. Consequence to finishing 6th in group making Round 5 matches more important.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
That Hurling & Football Championships at Senior, Intermediate, Intermediate 'A', Junior and Junior 'A' grades be organised on the following basis:
· Twelve teams in each grade, split into two groups of six on a seeded basis.
· Each team plays the other teams within their group in the round-robin stage.
· The top four teams in each group proceed to quarter-finals, to be played on a basis of:
o 1st in Group A v 4th in Group B
o 2nd in Group A v 3rd in Group B
o 3rd in Group A v 2nd in Group B
o 4th in Group A v 1st in Group B
· Fifth-placed team in each group exits the championship.
· Sixth-placed team in each group contests a Relegation Final.
· Semi-finals will be open draw, with repeat pairings to be avoided where possible.
Ferns and Askamore-Kilrush GAA Club
Hurling and football championships from senior to junior played in blocks as in 2024. But when it gets to quarter finals, we play hurling quarter, semifinals and finals followed by football quarter, semifinals and finals.
Davidstown-Courtnacuddy GAA Club
That the hurling and football championships revert back to a "split season" arrangement for 2025 onwards, hurling first until conclusion, then football. And that hurling returns to the pre 2024 arrangement of top 4 in each group of 6 go through to QFs, bottom in each group into relegation final, as is still the case in Football.
Taghmon-Camross GAA Club
4x groups of 3 teams
Top team in each group through to qtr. final.
Bottom 2 teams in each group through to preliminary qtr. final.
Winner of preliminary qtr. final goes to qtr. final & loser goes to relegation semi-final.
Cloughbawn GAA Club
Bottom team only from each group go straight into relegation final.
Oylegate-Glenbrien GAA Club
In the event that two teams finish level on the same points in the league section of the Championship, the head-to-head deciding factor is removed as the first option and replaced by the scoring difference between the two teams involved. If the scoring difference is equal, then the highest overall score of the teams involved is taken into account and whichever team has the highest overall score is placed directly above the other team in the league. In the event that this amount is also equal the resolution reverts to the head-to-head.
Horeswood GAA Club
When three or more teams finish on equal points in the league section of the Championship and a "mini league" is formed and when the teams are tied after the existing first deciding factor, i.e. the number of league points earned from the games between the teams involved does not resolve the teams' positions, score differences in
the "mini league" should be the next deciding factor. If the teams still can't be separated overall scoring differences should be the next deciding factor.
Horeswood GAA Club
That divisions in the All-County Leagues (both hurling and football) correspond to championship gradings - i.e. Division 1 comprises the 12 senior teams, Division 2 comprises the 12 intermediate teams, etc.
If championship structure remains as two groups of six in each grade, then league fixtures operate as per 2022 and earlier years - i.e. each team has six league fixtures (one v each team in the opposite championship group).
If a different group structure is adopted for championship, then each team continues to have six league fixtures against other teams in the same championship grade, on a basis to be decided by the CCC.
CCC to decide when compiling master fixtures calendar whether Leagues will include semi-finals involving the top two teams from each group (1st in Group A v 2nd in Group B, and 2nd in Group A v 1st in Group B), or whether to proceed directly to finals (1st in Group A v 1st in Group B). Clubs to be informed of CCC's decision before the commencement of the League.
Ferns GAA Club
All County Adult Football and Hurling Leagues. That the first round of the ACHL not be played until weekend 4th/5th/6th April. 2 or 3 rounds of football be played before hurling is played. Ideally this will allow for pitches and weather conditions to improve before the first hurling round.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
Proposal for a Junior C Hurling Championship
The 2024 Junior B Hurling Championship had just 24 teams (there were 38 teams in 2022 post COVID).
· Gorey: 7 teams
· Enniscorthy: 4 teams
· New Ross: 6 teams
· Wexford: 9 Teams
This dramatic reduction in the number of teams and players participating in our county needs to be addressed.
The purpose of the current Junior B and proposed Junior C championship is development of younger players and to provide a participation level for weaker players.
With the Junior B championship arranged on a district basis, there is a large gap between top and bottom in each district. For the teams at the bottom of the tables in each district, consistently losing by large margins results in drop off in participation across the season and is not providing meaningful games at this level.
Players play at this level to either:
(a) Win a place on the next team up in the club; or
(b) For enjoyment.
There is no enjoyment in one sided game and these participation-based players are leaving our games.
We propose that:
· The Junior B Hurling Championship be played on an All-County basis in 2025 using the same format as the Junior C Hurling Championship. The 2025 Junior B Championship would consist of the 7 remaining district finalists plus the team relegated from the Junior A championship in 2024. In addition, there would be four additional teams graded to play Junior B championship by the CCC-Fixtures.
· That a Junior C Hurling Championship be organised, played on a district basis with Wexford and New Ross districts combined and Gorey and Enniscorthy districts combined.
· Districts to organise a Junior C competition to provide as many meaningful games as possible within the window allowed so as to promote and increase the number of adults playing hurling in the County.
· CCC-Fixtures would determine a suitable structure for a Junior C Hurling Championship at county level.
Buffers Alley GAA Club
With regards to the first round of the U21 championships in Premier/Division 1, when a walkover occurs, that the team who receives a walkover (the weaker team in seeding), should, subject to county board/competitions control authority approval, be allowed to request to be placed in a lower division (i.e, premier to Division 1). This is to benefit the weaker team that received the walkover. Currently the first round is seeded between the
8 stronger teams and 8 weaker teams. In most cases, if the game would be played the weaker team would lose and would have been expected to play in Division 1. Due to the fact currently when you give a walkover in the U21 championships, you withdraw from the championship so there is a place available in both Premier and Division 1.
Blackwater GAA Club
CCC Loch Garman
1.The second paragraph of Bye Law 8 to be amended as follows (amendment in bold);
"A player who has not played championship within the County in the last two calendar years may apply for a Transfer at any point up to a date set by the CCC on an annual basis to not be later than fourteen days prior to the commencement of adult championship e.g. a player may seek a transfer at any point prior to the commencement of adult championship in 2025 as long as they have not played championship for their present club in either 2023 or 2024. Confirmation of date of last championship game played must be confirmed by the Secretary of the player's current club as part of the application process."
The purpose of this proposed amendment is to provide sufficient time for the appeals process.
2. For Junior and Junior A Championship the CCC recommend that the 5th game in the Championship be played at a neutral venue and that all Clubs be required to make venues available to facilitate same.
3. For First and Second Rounds of Junior B League Championship, no walkover fee will apply where 3 days notice in advance of the proposed fixture is given. A fine of €100 will apply in respect of any walkover given in the first and second round of the Junior B League Championship where less than 3 days notice is given. Any walkover in subsequent rounds will incur a fine of €200.
4. In the Junior B League Championship, in the event of one team having only 13 or 14 players, both Clubs must play the lower number of players available. In the event of both Clubs having a minimum of 15 players, normal rules apply.
5. For Junior B League Championship, unlimited substitutes will be permitted. For knockout stages, normal Championship substitution rules apply.
6. Regulation 8.21 be amended as follows: (amendment in bold)
"8.21 Clubs who do not have an Active Referee will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund.
From 2026, in addition to the above, all Clubs at Senior Grade who do not have two Active Referees will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund. Exception - a team promoted to Senior Grade is exempt in year one of its promotion, from this requirement.
The list of Active Referees is determined by the Referees' Administration Committee."
This proposed amendment to Regulation 8.21 aims to ensure availability of sufficient Referees to safeguard continuity of current underage and adult games programme.
CCC Loch Garman" CCC motion on refs makes sense"
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 20/01/2025 11:38:16
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Replying To alwaysasub: "The structure wasnt great which opefully will be rectified in the upcoming meeting but the main caveat for me is that if a person gets injured he isnt missing for most of the championship. Also from a spectator view, i found it alot better in that it wasnt played out over 6-7 weeks.
On the 2 referees, i would assume its only senior due to the fact that most of the senior clubs are some of the largest clubs in the county, Shels, Martins, Naomh Eanna etc so they should be able to provide 2 referees. That would be my take on it." The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place.
With the number of weeks we had last year, if we had of kept the format we had the year before, without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it. And had the same week off for the Football finalists also.
Other problems with last year, apart from the main one of the general standard being poorer due to players having to jump backwards and forwards between 2 completely different sports every 2 weeks, were weather, which ruined the Senior hurling semifinals as a spectacle especially, but wasn't great for the preliminary QFs either. In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months.
Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them. Even the local press didn't cover all the early round games in Senior and Intermediate, which didn't happen in previous years.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 20/01/2025 11:55:04
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On the referees & senior clubs thing, consider the following two lists:
List 1 - Senior clubs, who'd need two referees:
Crossabeg/Ballymurn, Oylegate-Glenbrien, Cloughbawn, Fethard, Gusserane, St. James'
List 2 - Not senior clubs, who'd just need one referee:
Horeswood, Buffers Alley, Taghmon-Camross, Adamstown, Rathgarogue-Cushinstown, Ballyhogue
Both lists just examples off the top of my head. But could you really argue that all the clubs in List 1 are "bigger" clubs overall than the ones in List 2, and therefore it should be "easier" for them to provide a second referee?
Or here's another thought -
Monageer-Boolavogue, in fairness and with credit to them, had four referees on the books last year. Three of them could decide "feck that, not doing it any more", leading to greater difficulties in there being enough refs to go round, and the club wouldn't face any type of sanction at all, or come under any pressure to replace them.
But their neighbours in Oulart at one side, or Ferns at the other, would be expected to come up with new referees to replace them, or else be punished.
There's no doubt we need more referees, but this proposed method of getting them doesn't seem fair to me, when it's looked at objectively.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 20/01/2025 14:22:05
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Replying To Viking66: "The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place.
With the number of weeks we had last year, if we had of kept the format we had the year before, without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it. And had the same week off for the Football finalists also.
Other problems with last year, apart from the main one of the general standard being poorer due to players having to jump backwards and forwards between 2 completely different sports every 2 weeks, were weather, which ruined the Senior hurling semifinals as a spectacle especially, but wasn't great for the preliminary QFs either. In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months.
Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them. Even the local press didn't cover all the early round games in Senior and Intermediate, which didn't happen in previous years.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?" "The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place"
Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code.
without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it
With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here,
In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months. Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them.
The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?"
To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block.
Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 20/01/2025 14:53:02
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Replying To Pikeman96: "On the referees & senior clubs thing, consider the following two lists:
List 1 - Senior clubs, who'd need two referees:
Crossabeg/Ballymurn, Oylegate-Glenbrien, Cloughbawn, Fethard, Gusserane, St. James'
List 2 - Not senior clubs, who'd just need one referee:
Horeswood, Buffers Alley, Taghmon-Camross, Adamstown, Rathgarogue-Cushinstown, Ballyhogue
Both lists just examples off the top of my head. But could you really argue that all the clubs in List 1 are "bigger" clubs overall than the ones in List 2, and therefore it should be "easier" for them to provide a second referee?
Or here's another thought -
Monageer-Boolavogue, in fairness and with credit to them, had four referees on the books last year. Three of them could decide "feck that, not doing it any more", leading to greater difficulties in there being enough refs to go round, and the club wouldn't face any type of sanction at all, or come under any pressure to replace them.
But their neighbours in Oulart at one side, or Ferns at the other, would be expected to come up with new referees to replace them, or else be punished.
There's no doubt we need more referees, but this proposed method of getting them doesn't seem fair to me, when it's looked at objectively." I agree a better way to do it would be base it on number of teams. So if a club fields 3 adult teams, or multiple underage teams in more than say 2 age groups, then they should supply 2 refs minimum. Obviously clubs like Monageer, and in particular the 4 lads who are refereeing, deserve great credit for that.
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Replying To alwaysasub: ""The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place"
Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code.
without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it
With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here,
In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months. Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them.
The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?"
To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block.
Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." "Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code."
Most players play both Football and Hurling for their club. So if they get injured and miss 4 games, they still miss 4 games regardless of whether we have a split season or not. Most clubs have pretty much the same first team in both codes, or at least both teams are backboned by the same 10 to 12 lads.
"With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here"
One of the arguments against the split season was having the hurling final when lads were away on holiday in the middle of August, and there not being time to have a week off before the finals for promoting them, and building excitement around the parish.
"The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either"
There wasn't much coverage of the early Football rounds either, when everyone wasn't qualified. And I never mentioned freezing, the weather in September/October is usually windier and/or wetter than in July/August. We're you away on holidays when the Senior Hurling SFs were played?
"To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block. Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year."
It's not disingenuous. It is the only positive of not having a split season over having one. Name 2 more positives for mist players and clubs in the county. Also the players away in July are going to miss the same number of championship games whatever the format, or are they some of the minority of Wexford club players who only play hurling?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 20/01/2025 15:26:31
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To alwaysasub: ""The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place"
Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code.
without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it
With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here,
In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months. Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them.
The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?"
To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block.
Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." "Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code." Most players play both Football and Hurling for their club. So if they get injured and miss 4 games, they still miss 4 games regardless of whether we have a split season or not. Most clubs have pretty much the same first team in both codes, or at least both teams are backboned by the same 10 to 12 lads. "With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here" One of the arguments against the split season was having the hurling final when lads were away on holiday in the middle of August, and there not being time to have a week off before the finals for promoting them, and building excitement around the parish. "The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either" There wasn't much coverage of the early Football rounds either, when everyone wasn't qualified. And I never mentioned freezing, the weather in September/October is usually windier and/or wetter than in July/August. We're you away on holidays when the Senior Hurling SFs were played? "To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block. Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." It's not disingenuous. It is the only positive of not having a split season over having one. Name 2 more positives for mist players and clubs in the county. Also the players away in July are going to miss the same number of championship games whatever the format, or are they some of the minority of Wexford club players who only play hurling?"
And I'm part of a dual club before you ask but understand most players will favour hurling over football. Also to say the quality is poorer is another poor statement, if the quality was so poor, our clubs teams would of been poor also in Leinster which didnt occur.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 20/01/2025 15:51:33
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Replying To alwaysasub: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=alwaysasub: ""The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place"
Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code.
without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it
With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here,
In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months. Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them.
The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?"
To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block.
Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." "Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code." Most players play both Football and Hurling for their club. So if they get injured and miss 4 games, they still miss 4 games regardless of whether we have a split season or not. Most clubs have pretty much the same first team in both codes, or at least both teams are backboned by the same 10 to 12 lads. "With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here" One of the arguments against the split season was having the hurling final when lads were away on holiday in the middle of August, and there not being time to have a week off before the finals for promoting them, and building excitement around the parish. "The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either" There wasn't much coverage of the early Football rounds either, when everyone wasn't qualified. And I never mentioned freezing, the weather in September/October is usually windier and/or wetter than in July/August. We're you away on holidays when the Senior Hurling SFs were played? "To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block. Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." It's not disingenuous. It is the only positive of not having a split season over having one. Name 2 more positives for mist players and clubs in the county. Also the players away in July are going to miss the same number of championship games whatever the format, or are they some of the minority of Wexford club players who only play hurling?"
And I'm part of a dual club before you ask but understand most players will favour hurling over football. Also to say the quality is poorer is another poor statement, if the quality was so poor, our clubs teams would of been poor also in Leinster which didnt occur."]That injury benefit is only a benefit to a minority of club players in Wexford. Most play hurling and football pretty equally. So you are saying we should design our championship to suit the minority?
As regards poor quality I'm talking about generally poorer standard. All 3 of the hurling winners generally played well, I saw Martins 4 times, Castletown twice and Rathnure 3 times. All 3 were pretty sharp, which is why they were champions, and why they went well in Leinster. I brought the kids to see around 40 club games last year, hurling and football, mostly Senior and Intermediate but also a couple in Intermediate A and Junior. In general the standard of basic hurling, getting the ball up first time, catching and fielding, striking a pass accurately to a teammate, and shooting efficiency was worse than the previous year. Some games were actually a dreadful watch, Annes v Barntown, Oulart v Rapps except for Foleys goal, and all of our games spring to mind immediately, Gorey v Harriers was exciting at the end because it was close, not a great standard, but Gorey were poor and lucky, Gorey were poor the next day also. I could go back over the other games I saw and give more examples. And that's not including the Hurling semifinals which were ruined by a wind you wouldn't see in August.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 20/01/2025 16:28:07
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Replying To alwaysasub: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=alwaysasub: ""The club championships overall used nearly the same amount of weeks as they did the year before. And there were nearly the same number of games. For most players in the county that meant if they got injured they missed the same number of games overall, despite the change in format. The change only favoured players who only play one code, who are a smallish minority of players in the county. And more importantly playing hurling on heavier pitches later in the year might lead to more injuries in the first place"
Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code.
without the extra pointless preliminary QFs, we could've had the hurling final the last weekend in August after the schools were going back so people who were away on holiday could be back for it, and had a free weekend before it so the 2 finalists could've had the same 2 weeks for promoting and build up before it
With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here,
In general we don't have great weather as the dark evenings draw in, hurling is definitely much better from a spectators or players point of view played in the summer months. Also the first rounds were so long before the knockouts that nobody seemed very interested in them.
The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either.
The only benefit of it was our 3 hurling champions were going into Leinster without a 2 month break before it, which was obviously better for them, but overall are we deciding what's best for the 3 winning club hurling teams each year, or whats best for the overall Championship itself?"
To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block.
Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." "Dont agree with you. How could a person injured miss the same number of games? That makes no sense, if a player gets injured he will have time to recover. Yes it favours one code or the other but nearly every club bar a few large senior clubs have players who favour one or the other, so they can try and recover and get back to there preferred code." Most players play both Football and Hurling for their club. So if they get injured and miss 4 games, they still miss 4 games regardless of whether we have a split season or not. Most clubs have pretty much the same first team in both codes, or at least both teams are backboned by the same 10 to 12 lads. "With codes alternating, you still have a build up to it unless you are lucky enough to be in a football and hurling finals so again not sure what your point is here" One of the arguments against the split season was having the hurling final when lads were away on holiday in the middle of August, and there not being time to have a week off before the finals for promoting them, and building excitement around the parish. "The only reason the knockout wasnt of interest was due to the fact that everyone was qualified, nothing to do with alternative weekends, so took the competitive edge away from it. Its hardly freezing weather in September/October either" There wasn't much coverage of the early Football rounds either, when everyone wasn't qualified. And I never mentioned freezing, the weather in September/October is usually windier and/or wetter than in July/August. We're you away on holidays when the Senior Hurling SFs were played? "To say the only reason to keep it is for three Leinster teams is completely disingenuous, as the replies to your points have shown. I know that your club has proposed a return to the alternative block. Also we have a number of players traveling June and July next year, are they then to miss a whole hurling championship or is it better that they might miss two-three rounds and still play some part in the championship for the year." It's not disingenuous. It is the only positive of not having a split season over having one. Name 2 more positives for mist players and clubs in the county. Also the players away in July are going to miss the same number of championship games whatever the format, or are they some of the minority of Wexford club players who only play hurling?"
And I'm part of a dual club before you ask but understand most players will favour hurling over football. Also to say the quality is poorer is another poor statement, if the quality was so poor, our clubs teams would of been poor also in Leinster which didnt occur."]Also the championship being over in 6 weeks is a red herring also. In plenty of other counties the same is true. In Tyrone it can be over after 1 week. At least here when the split season was in the majority of players had the Football to prepare for and look forward to if they didn't make the knockouts in hurling.
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I hear crossabeg still looking for mentors , is any other club in Wexford in the same boat
BacksAndForwards (Wexford) - Posts: 38 - 21/01/2025 22:01:26
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Replying To BacksAndForwards: "I hear crossabeg still looking for mentors , is any other club in Wexford in the same boat" We still are looking for mentors in our club also. Getting harder and harder to get people to do the jobs anymore.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 22/01/2025 17:15:58
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Replying To alwaysasub: "We still are looking for mentors in our club also. Getting harder and harder to get people to do the jobs anymore." What club is that ? Maybe someone on here could know someone that would help , won't be long till league is back
BacksAndForwards (Wexford) - Posts: 38 - 22/01/2025 23:23:43
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Championship structure same as last year, crazy decision, not sure why Adrian Fenlon has such a buzz about it.
I think the vast majority of posters think that jeopardy was missing with last year's structure. It's an absolute nonsense that after 5 rounds of games all teams are still in the championship. My level of excitement for the club championship has been knocked for 6 with that news.
YellowShadeOfPurple (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 24/01/2025 07:45:34
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Replying To YellowShadeOfPurple: "Championship structure same as last year, crazy decision, not sure why Adrian Fenlon has such a buzz about it.
I think the vast majority of posters think that jeopardy was missing with last year's structure. It's an absolute nonsense that after 5 rounds of games all teams are still in the championship. My level of excitement for the club championship has been knocked for 6 with that news." The overriding feeling in the room was to give it a chance to bed in and see how it works out over a few years. I get that, but still don't see how it will work for us like it does for Kilkenny whose structure it's identical to, because most of our lads are playing football in between the hurling games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14420 - 24/01/2025 10:45:21
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Replying To YellowShadeOfPurple: "Championship structure same as last year, crazy decision, not sure why Adrian Fenlon has such a buzz about it.
I think the vast majority of posters think that jeopardy was missing with last year's structure. It's an absolute nonsense that after 5 rounds of games all teams are still in the championship. My level of excitement for the club championship has been knocked for 6 with that news." I still don't like it myself, and my own club was there to vote for one of the motions for change.
But as Viking says, seems it was left in place mainly to just give more time to see it in operation, rather than changing it after just one year. I'd suspect at least some who decided to leave it in place might not be fully in favour of it ether, but thought it at least deserves a second chance, before there's a decision on whether it should carry on into a third year and beyond.
I believe Fenlon claimed that the structure and the extra round contributed to our club teams doing better in Leinster last year than in other recent years. I don't accept that myself. Think it was far more of a factor that we moved away from the split season and so our hurling champions were going into Leinster more or less straight after their county finals, instead of having a gap of 10 to 12 weeks.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 24/01/2025 12:07:35
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