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Looking at Rory O'Connor and a few of the Martins lads yesterday after the game in tears, they really wanted to get to reach the Leinster final with their club.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 823 - 25/11/2024 12:01:48 2581151 Link 0 |
Below is the grade of the teams who enter the Leinster JHC. When you see what Wexford Intermediate A champions (Basically Wexford premier Junior) done to the Longford senior champions at the weekend, you can the enormous gap in standard between Wexford, Kilkenny down to the weaker hurling counties Longford and Louth. County Championship Qualifying team Carlow Carlow Junior A Hurling Championship Champions Dublin Dublin Junior A Hurling Championship Champions Europe European Senior Hurling Championship Champions Kildare Kildare Senior B Hurling Championship Champions Kilkenny Kilkenny Premier Junior Hurling Championship Champions Laois Laois Intermediate Hurling Championship Champions Longford Longford Senior Hurling Championship Champions Louth Louth Senior Hurling Championship Champions Meath Meath Intermediate Hurling Championship Champions Offaly Offaly Intermediate Hurling Championship Champions Westmeath Westmeath Intermediate Hurling Championship Champions Wexford Wexford Intermediate A Hurling Championship Champions Wicklow Wicklow Intermediate Hurling Championship Champions Past hurler (None) - Posts: 823 - 25/11/2024 12:11:54 2581155 Link 0 |
Was talking to family from the club before the game in Craobh. I don't think too many from Fianna would have resented them too much. It is fantastic competition.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3186 - 25/11/2024 12:53:27 2581160 Link 0 |
Playing together at club level can help a county team gel better though. If those lads are good enough they should be picked. I'm sure there will be lads from the southside who put their hands up this year also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13997 - 25/11/2024 13:20:51 2581166 Link 0 |
For context, here's what the Longford Hurling Championship looks like: https://longfordgaa.ie/all-leaderboards/?compID=218867 link Just three teams, who play each other once in the 'group', before the top two teams play in a final. Results section of the Louth GAA site doesn't seem to be working properly so can't see how they run things there. Might be a note of caution for Liam Mellows that the Louth team (St. Fechtin's) who they'll play in the semi-final have at least won two games to get there. Then again, Avondale of Wicklow had won two games as well, but suffered big defeat to St. Lachtain's of Kilkenny in the other semi-final (4-18 to 0-11). Really does show the gulf in standards across the counties. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2630 - 25/11/2024 13:39:28 2581175 Link 0 |
Louth senior clubs used to play for a while in Dublin Boland Cup senior pre championship competition. They were really very weak. I don't recall them even getting close. Our crowd played Knockbridge who won a stack of county titles in noughties and training games against junior Bs were closer.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3186 - 25/11/2024 13:58:39 2581177 Link 0 |
Just I had Lisdowney and Borriss Kilcotton as the two stand out teams from before the start and I still think they are but Rathnure will be outsiders but no doubt they'll give a good account I hope. Kilkenny champs have fairly dominated this grade and Borriss would've seen themselves as one of the better senior teams in Laois not to mind intermediate level. So that's my reasoning for that. Similar ish reason for junior but maybe more chance at that level. Hopefully wrong and that would be a great year for Wexford clubs
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 285 - 25/11/2024 15:46:36 2581193 Link 0 |
Kilkenny teams have only won 1 Intermediate final this decade, and haven't reached any other final. And the 1 they won was won by an exceptional TT team that just won Senior up there. How's that a good record?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13997 - 25/11/2024 16:43:26 2581207 Link 0 |
Considering there's only been 3 finals this decade, that's stretching it a bit. They've won 2 of the last 4 all Irelands….thats not a bad record. They've won 13 of the 19 Leinster championships at intermediate….also not a bad record. I honestly think you're clutching at straws just to disagree with me on this one. The Kilkenny junior record is same if not slightly more dominant.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 285 - 25/11/2024 18:41:47 2581229 Link 0 |
I listened to commentary on radio 1 and I couldn't believe how condecinding the commentators were..it was oh st martins can be so proud of how they played and how much they put it up to nf..why would they fear any club who they play??why would they have to be so proud??it was a Leinster semi an I'm sure they would have fancied their chances..if sm were playing kk would they be given a chance,of course they would..once any club is competing representing their county I'd be expecting them to play with passion and great effort..maybe I'm reading to much into it.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2394 - 25/11/2024 18:48:14 2581230 Link 0 |
This decade is only 4 years in and COVID stopped one of those championships so Kilkenny have won one in 3 this decade. Kilkenny have won 13 out of 19 intermediate finals, runner up in one plus this year aswell. The other 6 winners include clonkill who would be in the top 3 teams in Westmeath, Mount Leinster rangers,Naas and Bray Emmets. The only 2 unknowns are Ardclough from Kildare and Kilmessan from Meath. So I would say Kilkenny's record would be fairly good in intermediate Leinster
camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 58 - 25/11/2024 19:21:07 2581232 Link 0 |
From 2013 to 2023 Kilkenny clubs have won 8 out of the 10 Intermediate Leinster club titles. That is a serious record. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 823 - 25/11/2024 20:02:00 2581237 Link 0 |
They were dominant up until 2019. They've only supplied 1 of the last 6 finalists since, 2 of the last 8 including this year. 2021 Naas beat Glenmore. Trim beat Danesfort in 2022. Yes Thomastown won the AI last year but they were exceptionally good Kilkenny Intermediate champions, who went on to win Senior up there this year. Lisdowney didn't win a single knockout game in the Kilkenny Intermediate championship by more than a single score this year. Thomastown were backboned by lads with Senior or recent u20 Intercounty experience, either as starters or fringe players, Lisdowney wouldn't have the same intercounty experience. Much like TT, Rathnure have lads with Senior and recent u20 intercounty experience also. As well as players like Lawlor who could have played Senior Intercounty if they chose to. In saying all that, this debate was started by you nearly implying there was no point Rathnure playing the game at all as you thought they would lose, because you had Lisdowney and Borris/Kilcotton as "the standout teams from the start". Why exactly did you think they were the standout teams from the start? I can see why you would have rated Borris/Kilcotton, tbh I thought they were a possible winner too with some of the players they have, I thought Lisdowney were possibles too, as were Bray and Rathnure. But like most other posters on this thread I would give Rathnure a good chance of winning the Final. Even the bookies, PP, are giving Rathnure a good chance, in the handicap betting Rathnure +2 are odds on favourites, so they are expecting Lisdowney to win by 1. None of the above is "clutching at straws just to disagree with you". It's all pretty well thought out. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13997 - 25/11/2024 20:05:02 2581238 Link 0 |
Leinster Intermediate club roll of honours Past hurler (None) - Posts: 823 - 25/11/2024 20:10:08 2581242 Link 0 |
I was looking through the results in the JHC to date, and while Mellows have absolutely blitzed their two opponents (12-47 in the two games is absurdly one-sided), Fechins put up a decent score as well against Amsterdam (6-23 to 2-13), although had a narrower win against Brownstown, only winning by two points. At the other side of the draw, Lachtain's will have a week's rest and have in theory came through stronger hurling counties with a bit to spare. Hit 9-38 in their last two games and an average winning margin of 22 points. And as the hurling snobs will tell ya, didn't have the distraction of football for half the year! beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1457 - 25/11/2024 20:20:51 2581245 Link 0 |
Considering they can't play another Kilkenny club saying they've produced 2 out 8 possible spots when the max is 4 is like saying Limerick have only produced 6 of last 16 finalists in the all Ireland series I don't think saying that the county who wins it the majority of the time is going to be favourites for it and more likely to win is exactly some sort of crazy unfounded claim. Here's hoping Rathnure and Mellows win but just saying they're not exactly favourites going into it, not crazy underdogs but stating what is my opinion. The whole point of original point is how this year has been best showing by Wexford as whole at the 3 levels in a long time, especially at senior. Not exactly rocket science to say that the team that wins Kilkenny intermediate wins the Leinster intermediate nearly year and probably deserve favourites tag as result. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 285 - 25/11/2024 22:10:58 2581255 Link 0 |
Everyone except you thinks Rathnure have a good chance of winning it. Noone has them as favourites, but they have at least as good a chance of winning as Martins had in either of their 2 games. It's been our best year at Senior club hurling because it's the 1st year at Senior our clubs have even won a game in a good few years. If Rathnure and Castletown both win their finals then it will be our best year overall for a while. If they both lose or Castletown don't even get to their final then it won't have been as good a year as 2022, and no better than 2021. In fact 2022 would have been a better year overall for our clubs as Fethard won the Leinster Intermediate club football title, and Adamstown reached the Junior Leinster football final. As regards your last line that's what I disagree with in your line of thinking. I'd look at each club on its merits. Look at who it has playing, team etc etc. Of the 9 Kilkenny winners the previous decade, 6 are still Senior in Kilkenny. They were better teams. Lisdowney only won their 1st ever Intermediate title in 2020. They were in relegation playoffs the following 2 years, then got relegated. They reached an Intermediate semifinal in 2023, then won their 2nd Intermediate final this year. We aren't going to agree. We are both stubborn enough lads. Hopefully Rathnure win on Sunday. They will be slight underdogs for sure, but just because they are playing a Kilkenny team doesn't mean they can't win. It's that kind of losing mentality that is part of the problem we have in this county. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13997 - 26/11/2024 06:52:29 2581262 Link 0 |
Just looking at that Roll of Honour - maybe worth pointing out that while it might look bad for Wexford that Kildare, Meath, Wicklow, etc. have all claimed Leinster Intermediate titles when we haven't, that those winning clubs were their county senior champions at the time. No doubt overall though that Kilkenny have dominated this Leinster championship. And considering that their senior championship generally has 12 teams (just like ours), conclusion really is that generally speaking, 13th best in Kilkenny is a higher standard than 13th best in Wexford. I'd give Rathnure a great chance on Sunday though, and I hope they win it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2630 - 26/11/2024 09:10:37 2581271 Link 0 |
"It's up to each county to sort out this problem as they see fit. Its not really up to individual clubs, except insofar as if they keep voting to keep as many championship games as we currently have they are part of the problem. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1786 - 27/11/2024 13:41:09 2581468 Link 0 |
Wexford club team of the year out,any thoughts on it,think theres 2 odd selections on the team and also some very strange ones on the panel!!! I suppose it's like everything everyone has a different opinion always be a few strange ones!!! theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 238 - 30/11/2024 11:06:47 2581754 Link 0 |