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Speaking of Fethard v Bunclody, I've only now read the Bulletin that went up on the Wexford GAA website yesterday. Seems it was technical reasons all right that caused Leinster Council to set aside Wexford CCC's ruling, and now Wexford have brought in some big guns to consider the matter again - Chairman of the Rules Committee, Secretary of the Munster Hearings Committee, and a former President of the Association. You can be fairly sure they won't make any technical errors, and that even if whatever they decide ends up going to DRA, their decision would more than likely be found to be in order. So whatever they decide on Wednesday night may well be the start of the end of it, if you know what I mean. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2556 - 22/10/2024 09:04:46 2576300 Link
It beggars belief that we are still talking about refereeing errors , appeals and so on and another fresh one from last weekend. Unfortunately this has been the theme of the championship in hurling particualrly and thats a desperate shame. A review of the overall officiating of the games is badly needed. On the field the Martins were impressive again on Sunday, much hungrier and smarter than Gorey in the conditions. Gorey's defence of their crown peetered out badly in the end, steeped to get over the 14 men of the Harriers in the quarter and well beaten on Sunday. While the Annes will certainly fancy a cut off the Martins, if the Martins perform they win. Barry O C a huge addition to them this year in every way. Darren Codd/Kyle Firman/Philly Dempsey/Joe Barret hurling very well, throw in the obvious brilliance of ROC and JOC on his day and they are a very well balanced team now. OasisorBlur (Wexford) - Posts: 45 - 22/10/2024 12:10:39 2576331 Link
Replying To Viking66: "The referee on the day didn't allow the point. That can't be overturned on video evidence." I'm of the understanding that the referee claimed in his report that he didn't allow the point in the Fethard Bunclody game? WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 461 - 22/10/2024 13:32:07 2576349 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "No it can't. I've explained this already. They're two different things. The Fethard v Bunclody match is a case where it's believed the referee didn't properly record the scores he awarded. Clongeen v Monageer would be a case of where the referee properly recorded the decisions he made, even if one or more of those decisions was incorrect. He may have been wrong in not awarding that last "point", but if the score he declares in his report matches the number of scores he awarded on the day, then there's no comeback from that. The net result may seem the same, but honestly, they're two very different things." But who's keeping track what what he did or didn't award on the day only the referee himself. The most important thing is we have a level playing field for all competitions, levels and ages. The referees report is final. End of story! No video evidence should be used for selective games. Mistakes happen. Sometimes it's in your favour, sometimes it's not. My issue with this saga is using video evidence to overturn the referees full time score. I don't care why it may be incorrect. WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 461 - 22/10/2024 13:36:54 2576350 Link
Replying To WEX98: "But who's keeping track what what he did or didn't award on the day only the referee himself. The most important thing is we have a level playing field for all competitions, levels and ages. The referees report is final. End of story! No video evidence should be used for selective games. Mistakes happen. Sometimes it's in your favour, sometimes it's not. My issue with this saga is using video evidence to overturn the referees full time score. I don't care why it may be incorrect." This shows that you still don't get it, and your last sentence really shows it. I'm not explaining it any more. I will say though that it doesn't matter what you think should or shouldn't happen in different circumstances. The important thing is what the Rule Book says can and can't happen in those circumstances. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2556 - 22/10/2024 14:37:56 2576366 Link
Replying To WEX98: "I'm of the understanding that the referee claimed in his report that he didn't allow the point in the Fethard Bunclody game?" Arra feckit, for the sake of it..... Referee from that game contradicts both himself and reality. Brief outline: Most observers at the match, including a very diligent newspaper man, had the real final score at Fethard 1-27 to Bunclody 3-20 after extra time. Referee's report instead declared 1-27 to 3-21 - i.e., rather than ruling out or not giving a Fethard point, he actually somehow awarded Bunclody an extra one. Referee then doubled down on this in his so-called "clarification", repeating that so far as he was concerned, final score was 1-27 to 3-21. And he attempted to explain the controversy by saying he ruled out a Fethard "point", rather than explaining where Bunclody's 21st point had come from. Wexford CCC then erred in adding an extra point to Fethard to make it 1-28 to 3-21, rather than removing one of the Bunclody points. I'm guessing this might be one of the technical reasons why Leinster set aside the Wexford decision and sent it back to be heard again. So, yet again - This is a case where it's strongly believed the referee did not keep a correct record of decisions made on the day, and scores awarded. The Monageer v Clongeen case is very different. Referee there didn't award a point, and nobody thinks he awarded a point. The fact that he maybe should have awarded a point is neither here nor there. Here's the relevant section from the Rule Book, if this helps you understand: An Objection or Counter-Objection may only be upheld on the grounds (i) that an Infraction has been committed rendering the Defending Party liable to the penalty of Forfeiture, with Award of the Game to the Objector, or (ii) that a score allowed by the referee was not recorded by the Referee or that a score was incorrectly recorded by the Referee, thereby affecting the result of the Game; however no Objection or Counter-Objection may be submitted on grounds that a referee had incorrectly allowed or failed to allow a score. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2556 - 22/10/2024 15:47:10 2576389 Link
Replying To WEX98: "I'm of the understanding that the referee claimed in his report that he didn't allow the point in the Fethard Bunclody game?" "Claimed" being the important word there. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13603 - 22/10/2024 15:51:51 2576391 Link
Replying To WEX98: "But who's keeping track what what he did or didn't award on the day only the referee himself. The most important thing is we have a level playing field for all competitions, levels and ages. The referees report is final. End of story! No video evidence should be used for selective games. Mistakes happen. Sometimes it's in your favour, sometimes it's not. My issue with this saga is using video evidence to overturn the referees full time score. I don't care why it may be incorrect." The referee couldn't add up the indicated scores in this case. As is shown in the video evidence. It's not a case of him allowing or disallowing scores. If what you are saying should apply did apply, any referee could award any game to whichever team he chose to. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13603 - 22/10/2024 15:54:07 2576393 Link