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It's a coaching issue, but it's all too easy to blame it on being dual. The standard of hurling coaching and preparation to compete is shockingly bad.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2559 - 08/10/2024 05:21:17 2573573 Link 0 |
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They are the team I'd like to see win it now. Any truth in the rumour Mogie is in Canada and flying in and out for games? Seems a little far fetched even by Wexford rumour standards!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 07:11:59 2573575 Link 0 |
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Dual club has to be a factor. At the same time there are only really good teams in top form when you get into the Leinster series. I still don't get the attitude down here that such and such a team are only from Laois, Offaly or Carlow. If KK, Mullins, Clough Ballacolla, or Cuala were in Wexford they'd be in the mix for Wexford titles every year. They are all big clubs, with multiple adult teams, multiple underage teams, and more top intercounty players than most of our clubs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 07:16:46 2573576 Link 0 |
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Cloughbawn didn't beat every other team in Intermediate comfortably. They perhaps should've lost to Fethard and St James shouldve won the final in normal time. And Cloughbawn have finished with 4 points in both their last 2 Senior campaigns. Oulart got everyone back who had recently retired to put a massive effort in over the winter before their Intermediate campaign, and Rathnure were performing way below their ability for several years before they got relegated. Relegation might be just what they needed to get everyone focused again.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 07:21:01 2573577 Link 0 |
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Some clubs are forced to play extra time, while others are knocked out on penalties.......this is a shambles. Playing under lights to justify having them. WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 08/10/2024 07:26:08 2573579 Link 0 |
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And only one club AI in that time. Although Limerick and Waterford only have 1 each also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 07:50:22 2573581 Link 0 |
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Is it not extra time then penalties? Also the lights are needed for the hurling QFs now the split season is over, it's October, not August.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 08:30:30 2573584 Link 0 |
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I hear fethard have lodged an appeal over Saturdays game if successful will probably be a midweek game next week,as fethard have football semi final this weekend. Ryanworld (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 08/10/2024 09:04:53 2573593 Link 0 |
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it's a numbers game in my opinion - All 3 clubs struggled with underage numbers during the 2010 - 2020 period. This has a knock on effect. Rathnure's last county final appearance was 2010 / 2011 when I think Oulart beat them by a point .. Their team was aging at that stage but it was backboned by players that had won 6 in a row U21 titles .. They had little underage success after that .. Falling numbers etc etc .. Oulart are no different .. Huge underage success in the early 2000s .. struggled then in the 2010s onwards .. Their aging team held senior status as long as they could .. They have some very good underage teams now and the key is trying to bring through 2-3 lads every year that can genuinely make their first team stronger. Buffers Alley have struggled also but have produced some very good Minor / U21 teams over last few years. Kiltormer in Galway were All Ireland club winners in 1992 - relegated to Junior last weekend. Player numbers the main reason. We are starting to see a downward trend in the domination of St Martins / Glynn / Shels in underage too - so there lull will possibly come also. Interested to hear other peoples take on this MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 147 - 08/10/2024 09:47:51 2573609 Link 0 |
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I would completely disagree with linking league to championship with points for winning the league. Just make it a bigger deal for the club players playing it each year with a better prize for winning it and perhaps 2 up 2 down promotion relegation from each division each year like the Allianz football league. And your answer to the senior team getting relegated and beating every team easy each year is to bring 3 of those teams up senior to get 6 or 7 hammerings? No offense to Bunclody Buffers alley or St James but if they were all senior next year they would only be competitive with each other, St James would probably be better than any of the other current intermediate teams so would stay senior by beating them teams each year but get well bet every year by the current senior teams Non runner for me hurlin101 (Wexford) - Posts: 114 - 08/10/2024 10:41:07 2573619 Link 0 |
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Here here Formertownie, somebody who is using a bit of common sense. Most of the Hurling fraternity are quick to blame the duel concept but as you elude to the stronger clubs are duel and outperforming those 1 code clubs. How many clubs are duel senior? 6 or 7? That's unbelievable from those clubs, and those clubs are all competing at the latter stages of 1 or the other too. The overall quality in the county is not what it once was in both codes so the sooner the Hurling advisory committee accept this and look at making coaching at club underage level and in the schools better, then the sooner we can finally see the standard of our club championships improve. The obsession with copying kilkenny and looking at what they do is also baffling. Kilkenny play off football championship in February and March. They are very much a one code county, we are very much a duel county when it comes to club. If they are going to copy a county instead of coming up with our own way then maybe look at other similar duel counties for the answer, again common sense. hurlin101 (Wexford) - Posts: 114 - 08/10/2024 10:56:00 2573622 Link 0 |
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Would there have to be a replay? Fethard won the game in extra time?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 10:58:16 2573624 Link 0 |
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Barntown have huge underage numbers. 44 at u12 last year, 51 this year. Think Shels had 38 and Martins 34, from memory, this year, but I coyld be slightly out. Some of the North Wexford clubs, Castletown, Gorey etc, have big numbers at u12 this year also, as have the Harriers. Not sure about other clubs tbh but most would be in the mid/high teens to mid/high 20s from memory. Premier minor hurling final- Oulart v Barntown U16 Roinn 1 semi finals- Oulart v Gorey Cushinstown v Monageer U14 div 1 hurling final- Oylegate beat St Annes U12 div 1 hurling semifinals- Oulart beat the Harriers and Shels beat the Martins. At the same time in most grades Shels, Barntown, Martins, Harriers and Gorey, the clubs with the biggest playing numbers, are in the top divisions generally. Clubs like Oylegate and Oulart are punching above their weight with the populations they have in their parishes, which is a great credit to them. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 11:16:50 2573627 Link 0 |
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Yes numbers game Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 289 - 08/10/2024 11:18:58 2573628 Link 0 |
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From going to a good few games I wouldn't say there's a huge difference in standard of hurling between Crossabeg, Oulart, Cloughbawn, Rapps this year, and St James, Fethard, Rathnure, and Bunclody. If those 8 teams played eachother in a mini League right now, Id be very surprised if all 4 Senior teams finished in the top 4, and I'd say all 4 Intermediate teams might beat at least 1 each of the 4 Senior teams. Its a long time since a club got promoted from Intermediate and came straight down again. Maybe the Alley might join that group of 8 in the next few years also. As also might Ferns. Maybe Gusserane also, I know they are in the Intermediate relegation final but they have some good lads coming, and were missing Tommy Ryan and Graeme Cullen all year. And obviously some of the 8 will either move out of the top or bottom of that group also. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 11:28:43 2573631 Link 0 |
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I know this is club but how did the masters get on last night as far I know they are undefeated Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 304 - 08/10/2024 11:29:36 2573632 Link 0 |
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In fairness to our Games Development people there's a big push to try to get club underage coaching better. Numerous courses are available. Schools are run completely separately, which is something we as a county need to look at. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 08/10/2024 11:30:47 2573633 Link 0 |
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I don't think the quality of hurling in our adult championships is as good as it was - definitely lacks the same intensity .. I don't know the exact reason why - There have been a lot of advancements in training / investment / gyms / recovery but for me the quality hasn't improved. Now I do think that all our underage resources seem to go into development squads while there possibly is very little coaching been done in secondary schools .. And if we want to copy the Kilkenny model then maybe this is what we should be looking at .. The standard of hurling in their secondary schools is very high .. A lot of our secondary schools are seriously underachieving based on the number of students, representation from Clubs etc .. Gorey / Wexford both jump to mind .. GCC are not near as dominant in hurling or football as they once were either. MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 147 - 08/10/2024 11:47:20 2573639 Link 0 |
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Very good question that they actually did win the game
Ryanworld (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 08/10/2024 12:37:20 2573648 Link 0 |
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Should be played in August and September. They are dragging out the underage competitions too just to eat into soccer and rugby which is going to back fire. What clubs can train at this time of year......evenings are too dark for hurling WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 08/10/2024 12:55:57 2573651 Link 0 |