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The ball was out of play more than in play on Saturday in Pk and 45 free's then in first game Sunday, not a bad stroke. Not sure how lads are supposed to hurl, no wonder Wex constantly physically bullied when everything here is a free and cards given willy nilly. Theres 3 very bad for it
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 690 - 27/09/2024 13:56:47 2572104 Link 0 |
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Dont like to give out about refs as they have a tough enough job but at a match recently as a neutral and a ball went about 10 foot wide by the post obvious to everyone there and the ref still gave it and then blew up his whistle before the puc out could be taken, much to the annoyance of the losing supporters. as they lost by a point. alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 426 - 27/09/2024 14:04:12 2572106 Link 0 |
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What was the solution were refs called in and re trained or just told let stuff go . Has the standard of reffing improved in Cork or just letting more stuff go now . One particular ref In wexford that hurled to a high enough standard and was goid hurler is probably the most whistle happy of them all at times . For a man that hurled I find that one strange. He would also be involved with teams still too . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 27/09/2024 14:16:02 2572107 Link 0 |
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Was in the Park Sunday myself. Crossabeg Cloughbawn was played in good spirit ok. Large parts of Rapps Oulart looked like tag hurling tbh. Especially in the 1st half alot of the players were miles off their men. No need for any great number of stoppages in either game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 27/09/2024 15:17:22 2572114 Link 0 |
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Instead of refs being 'called in' etc. How about calling in coaches and players and retraining them about the rules of the game.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2644 - 27/09/2024 18:46:18 2572136 Link 0 |
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Good idea if the refs see the rules the same way . Think most problems start with interpretation of said rules and the inconsistencies of the refs . Same as if u and i watched a game I say foul you say no foul let it go you re destroying the game let it flow . Players coached to live as close to the edge and not get caught . Like the hand pass rule every ref is trying to enforce it but still it's being thrown unless it's absolutely obvious it won't be blown up . If not how many more frees could be given add in every other rule . Throw in the players trying to buy frees diving, stopping putting hands up making refs make a split second choice . Playr n possesion holding in other players hurl or arm . Part of the problem is the dishonesty good luck with calling players and coaches in and asking them to stop it like good boys now . I don't have the answers but certainly harsher punishment for cynical play has to be a start . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 29/09/2024 23:53:47 2572432 Link 0 |
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Firstly I wouldn't be a referee for all the money in the world - it is an awful job and they get nothing but abuse. However the standard of refereeing has a lot to be desired also. The interpretation of the rules varies so much from ref to ref and from county to county … And GAA / Croke Park may take a serious look at that. We should pay and train our referees better .. We seem to be putting every cent into coaching but very little if anything into referees .. €40 per game I think they get .. Do their umpires get anything even ..
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 143 - 30/09/2024 10:02:05 2572472 Link 0 |
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Underage they get 40. 50 for adult. They've to sort diesel and umpires out of that too. Won't make you up that's for sure .
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 30/09/2024 11:31:00 2572496 Link 0 |
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My friend has started refereeing this year in wexford. It's €50 underage and €60 for adult. He said he's happy enough with the money but it's just the behaviour of coaches that is shocking at times. He also said that a lot of the bad ones are only in it for the money and could be pulling in 300 to 400 a week.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 30/09/2024 12:02:49 2572505 Link 0 |
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I would think a lot of referees only do it for the sake of their club. If a club cannot provide a referee from their club then that club would lose home advantage in their championship games. Obviously would be in the lower grades of the adult championships btwex90 (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 30/09/2024 12:04:30 2572506 Link 0 |
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We need another 30-40 referees on top of the number we already have ideally. Take the pressure off those already doing it, and off of the fixtures committee and games development people. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 30/09/2024 12:41:59 2572517 Link 0 |
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The bit about losing home advantage actually applies to the first matches of the year, so at adult level, it would be in the All County Leagues rather than in the championship. But it also applies to all age levels, so for instance in the first year a club doesn't have a referee, they lose home advantage to their first U14 football match, first U14 hurling match, first U16 football match, first U16 hurling match, etc. In the second year they don't have a referee, they lose home advantage to two home matches in all competitions, and so on. Am fairly sure every club has managed to find a referee somewhere since that rule was brought in a couple of years ago. Still the case though that some of the might not be of the highest standard. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 30/09/2024 12:53:47 2572528 Link 0 |
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Totally agree - i'm told that there is approximately 70 referees in the county on any given day or weekend about 50% of them are unavailable. so you have about 35 refs to cover games. on a championship weekend there are 30 games and with linesmen appointed for int and Senior games that means u need 50 people to cover the requirements. add to the mix that there is either ladies football or camogie on every weekend in competition plus a raft of underage games id say most referees have 2 or 3 games to cover each weekend. There have been lots of games cancelled this year (underage) due to lack of refs. and in my humble opinion there are half a dozen refs that simply shouldn't be reffing - arent up to it. but unfortunately about 3 of those are doing a huge proportion of games just for the money. Anyhow we need another 40 refs. and we need better performances from what we have. I'm not giving out about all refs - id say theres about 15 to 20 are decent, try their best and in general do a good job. anyone can make a mistake and it's not easy. but i think we could improve things with some new blood. (but not guys just looking for money) bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 34 - 30/09/2024 14:52:25 2572563 Link 0 |
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Maybe make it more rewarding money wise you might get few more . Pay each ref a retainer from co board at the end of the year based on the amount of games they referreed . More for senior and adult game refs at this an extra 50k 70k spread amongst them wouldn't break the bank and a nice lump sum at end call it expenses . Divide it pro rata points system for games 40 for senior 30 for any other adult . 20 per underage game . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 30/09/2024 15:33:17 2572571 Link 0 |
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In fairness some bigger clubs with more adult and underage teams supply more refs, like Barntown and Shels. After all they need more refs as they are involved in more games. There are other similar clubs, 1 in particular up in the North of the county, who could do with putting more lads forward to be refs. Think that club actually had no ref a year or 2 back. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 30/09/2024 15:51:02 2572576 Link 0 |
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Oulart released a statement today.....didn't lodge an objection but questioning why there's no investigation......
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 410 - 30/09/2024 19:05:22 2572606 Link 0 |
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If the referee says in his report that he booked two different players and that is presented to the CCCC then there is no need to investigate any further. So if the referee indeed has two different names written in his book and its clear as day its the same player - how did he get two different names? however because there is no disciplinary case to answer then the matter gets closed. If you don't want the answer, you don't ask a question.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1880 - 30/09/2024 20:02:53 2572611 Link 0 |
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I was at the Thomastown v Ballyhale, the intensity in the tackling and workrate was ferocious from both teams, it was murder to win a ball and no handy tappy tappy hurling. I can see why Kilkenny clubs do so well at provincial and All Ireland level once they win their own county. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 793 - 01/10/2024 09:00:04 2572645 Link 0 |
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The County Board statement is interesting. Says Oulart did in fact lodge an objection on Wednesday, and it was to be dealt with at a CCC meeting Thursday night. But then Oulart withdrew their objection on Thursday. The Oulart statement says "As a club we chose not appeal the incident". I suppose that's not inaccurate, but it's not telling the whole story then either. The full story would be "we first chose to appeal the incident, but then chose afterwards to change our minds and not follow through with the appeal". County Board statement also refers to the Rule Book, so I've looked it up, and it does indeed say that for an investigation to proceed, there must be an objection from one of the clubs involved. So their statement of "In the absence of an objection, an investigation could not proceed" is accurate. Seems to me that by wanting an investigation but not wanting to stand over an objection, Oulart basically wanted the CCC to operate outside of the Rule Book, and that would be a whole can of worms to open up. Am guessing that Oulart wanted some action taken, e.g. maybe a replay ordered, but didn't want to be seen as "the bad guys" who initiated that action. However, the Catch 22 is that if they didn't initiate action, CCC couldn't take any action. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 01/10/2024 09:35:58 2572649 Link 0 |
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I love this idea. but unfortunately i dont think it would work. as a former player i would want the best referees reffing all my games. unfortunatly in wexford that would mean that only 15/20 referees would be reffing at adult championship level - and thats not a realistic option because of numbers. Would love to see a league table for refs. I understand there has been referee assessors appointed this year - havent heard how that is going bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 34 - 01/10/2024 09:58:03 2572658 Link 0 |