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Replying To Pikeman96: "Something tells me you're not being serious :)
And I don't think there's any appetite for just a straight knock-out. But it's actually a point I've heard made over the past few days -
If points earned during the group stage, and finishing positions in the group, end up meaning so little as regards who actually makes the quarter-finals, then why bother with a group stage at all?
Just continue to seed four teams per grade in the same way as always, and do an open draw for the other eight to decide who plays who in preliminary quarter-finals. Would probably only take 15 or 20 minutes some evening, instead of taking 150 matches over five rounds of "championship" group games." I wasn't being serious, but at the same time we would get where we are now alot quicker!
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Who do we fancy in the intermediate quarters?
Rathnure v Tara Rocks you would have to fancy Rathnure although it could be closer than people think. 5 weeks is a long time without a competitive game.
Askamore v Buffers Alley- Think this has the makings of a great high scoring game. Fancy the Alley to nick it .
Bunclody v Fethard- Tough one to call. I think Fethard are playing themselves into form may just pull through
St James V Horeswood- Local derby here. Horeswood have been impressive the last 2 games. The Jimmies big physical side id expect them to pull through here and get a step closer to getting back to the county final" Jimmy's, Fethard, Rathnure then toss a coin for the last one if Askamore have all their players back fit. If not the Alley might shade it, but they are a bit light tbh and could still lose anyway even if Askamore are missing a couple.
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Any word on Jippo? It was hardly precautionary.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 138 - 24/09/2024 20:19:48
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After this championship is done just thinking
The most successful hurling trio . Alley rathnure and oulart could be all playing at intermediate level
Although I expect rathnure to win intermediate..
Whilst at present the top 4 in hurling group stages are all dual senior/ 1 inter football clubs at present that could change over the weekend .
Is it just a numbers game or does playing footfall at higher level compliment their hurling .
Just wondering others opinions. Does playing both help is it momentum is it comradery .
Those 3 other teams first mentioned would be either hurling only or predominantly hurling 80/20 . Are they at a disadvantage putting all their eggs in one basket or as i said earlier is it just a numbers game .
Could it be apathy towards football subconsciously creeps into their hurling that they can't get to the intensity when they want or need to .ie can't switch it on and off . Can not playing every other week just training take the edge off or if playing football every 2nd week but not really giving everything somehow creep into ur hurling . Or am I over thinking it .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 24/09/2024 22:53:21
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Replying To Viking66: "Jimmy's, Fethard, Rathnure then toss a coin for the last one if Askamore have all their players back fit. If not the Alley might shade it, but they are a bit light tbh and could still lose anyway even if Askamore are missing a couple." Viking, there's a Wexford GAA Scrap Book forum on Facebook. It's fair interesting, some great reads and pics of bygone teams and days!
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Viking, there's a Wexford GAA Scrap Book forum on Facebook. It's fair interesting, some great reads and pics of bygone teams and days!" Don't do FB. I'd get no work done at all if I was on that or X or Insta;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 25/09/2024 07:47:09
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Any word on Jippo? It was hardly precautionary." He didn't look like he could run from the throw in. Apparently he's in a bad injury cycle at the minute, he could really do with a few months off. Hopefully we won't see him play again til the end of the League.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 25/09/2024 07:48:50
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Replying To Formertownie: "After this championship is done just thinking
The most successful hurling trio . Alley rathnure and oulart could be all playing at intermediate level
Although I expect rathnure to win intermediate..
Whilst at present the top 4 in hurling group stages are all dual senior/ 1 inter football clubs at present that could change over the weekend .
Is it just a numbers game or does playing footfall at higher level compliment their hurling .
Just wondering others opinions. Does playing both help is it momentum is it comradery .
Those 3 other teams first mentioned would be either hurling only or predominantly hurling 80/20 . Are they at a disadvantage putting all their eggs in one basket or as i said earlier is it just a numbers game .
Could it be apathy towards football subconsciously creeps into their hurling that they can't get to the intensity when they want or need to .ie can't switch it on and off . Can not playing every other week just training take the edge off or if playing football every 2nd week but not really giving everything somehow creep into ur hurling . Or am I over thinking it ." Oulart have injuries, and a bit of a talent shortage in their prime years, especially without Buggy and Doyle who were good players a couple of years ago for them. They have good kads coming though.
the Alley haven't been particularly good for a good while now. Maybe culture but they had a good group coming through who look like they've lost their way somewhat.
Harriers are doing best at the minute of the predominantly hurling clubs. Martins, Gorey, Shels, Castletown, Gusserane, Kilanerin, Rapps/Starlights, Ferns and to an extent Sars also have great numbers. Annes have a great GAA culture down there, Crossabeg likewise but are struggling at underage at the minute.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 25/09/2024 07:58:21
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Replying To Formertownie: "After this championship is done just thinking
The most successful hurling trio . Alley rathnure and oulart could be all playing at intermediate level
Although I expect rathnure to win intermediate..
Whilst at present the top 4 in hurling group stages are all dual senior/ 1 inter football clubs at present that could change over the weekend .
Is it just a numbers game or does playing footfall at higher level compliment their hurling .
Just wondering others opinions. Does playing both help is it momentum is it comradery .
Those 3 other teams first mentioned would be either hurling only or predominantly hurling 80/20 . Are they at a disadvantage putting all their eggs in one basket or as i said earlier is it just a numbers game .
Could it be apathy towards football subconsciously creeps into their hurling that they can't get to the intensity when they want or need to .ie can't switch it on and off . Can not playing every other week just training take the edge off or if playing football every 2nd week but not really giving everything somehow creep into ur hurling . Or am I over thinking it ." It's hard to know really. I gave up football in my late teens but hurled senior. Never liked football that much but I played because my hurling team mates were playing. One thing that certainly helped was the amount of running in football.
On the other hand, I don't think it's coincidence that shells, Martin's and gorey are where they are. That for me is just numbers. More funds, more volunteers, more players. Gorey will probably surpass the population of Wexford in my lifetime and a considerable proportion of their population are on Dublin wages which helps.
Crosstown and castle bridge have gotten fairly gentrified and population has ballooned there too.
Same for murrintown with the Martina.
The only exception really is the Anne's but their catchment area is massive, and in my view they're very well coached at all levels.
For me I'd lovely if a greater number of young lads could stay hurling in town. We've excellent underage teams but out of all the lads I played with only myself and two others hurled senior. Most of them played fai junior cup with North end after that.
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Hurling nearly turning into football now all running game off the shoulder. Shels for example who have not been included in any conversations about winning the senior hurling after topping their group.
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Might sound a bit strange but do hurlers give up football because of the extra running needed and physicality of football .
Not saying hurlers don't run a lot but def need complete fitness for football .
I see a lot of older hurlers still doing well at hurling but wonder would they last the pace at football.
Hurling is a physical game too but def more contact in football . Suppose bigger, slower moving ball leads to congestion in play .
Nowadays intercounty hurling is as physical but think thats because they ve adopted football tackling plus more physically built (conditioned ) and lesser extent adopted tactics albeit the ball moves quicker .
Certain amount of physicality has replaced some of the skill .
Ie strong running players keeping ball in hand , hand passing (throwing ) retaining possession, cynical fouling (pulling lads down) sweepers , zonal marking,
Swarm tackling , wont always work of course as ball moves further and quicker but lot of these tactics have been adopted and adjusted . Kilkenny and Limerick especially .
Suppose more professional coaching and tacticians gonna adapt for future development . Some good some bad .
Question was do hurlers stop playing football due to extra (different) level fitness needed . Not saying hurlers are nt fit just think you can get away with being less fit . And if they played football would they be better equipped for hurling fitness wise .
If to compete at highest level provisional club and county that extra fitness will be needed. Of course you need the skill level too . Just from last few years think the balance of skill v fitness is closing . Need more of both . But can't do much without either .
In hurling are we seeing strong physical very fit players maybe not so skilful having a bigger role in teams .
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Replying To WexMurph: "Hurling nearly turning into football now all running game off the shoulder. Shels for example who have not been included in any conversations about winning the senior hurling after topping their group." Just put post up more or less saying the same . Fitness and dopting football tactics with certain level skill will bring the shels very close to winning that's for sure . Could very easily do the double.
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 25/09/2024 11:00:02
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Replying To Formertownie: "Might sound a bit strange but do hurlers give up football because of the extra running needed and physicality of football .
Not saying hurlers don't run a lot but def need complete fitness for football .
I see a lot of older hurlers still doing well at hurling but wonder would they last the pace at football.
Hurling is a physical game too but def more contact in football . Suppose bigger, slower moving ball leads to congestion in play .
Nowadays intercounty hurling is as physical but think thats because they ve adopted football tackling plus more physically built (conditioned ) and lesser extent adopted tactics albeit the ball moves quicker .
Certain amount of physicality has replaced some of the skill .
Ie strong running players keeping ball in hand , hand passing (throwing ) retaining possession, cynical fouling (pulling lads down) sweepers , zonal marking,
Swarm tackling , wont always work of course as ball moves further and quicker but lot of these tactics have been adopted and adjusted . Kilkenny and Limerick especially .
Suppose more professional coaching and tacticians gonna adapt for future development . Some good some bad .
Question was do hurlers stop playing football due to extra (different) level fitness needed . Not saying hurlers are nt fit just think you can get away with being less fit . And if they played football would they be better equipped for hurling fitness wise .
If to compete at highest level provisional club and county that extra fitness will be needed. Of course you need the skill level too . Just from last few years think the balance of skill v fitness is closing . Need more of both . But can't do much without either .
In hurling are we seeing strong physical very fit players maybe not so skilful having a bigger role in teams ." I think in both sports there's a much bigger emphasis on speed coming into them, though obviously strength is still important too. Maybe in hurling it's a different kind of speed is emphasised, with less of the need for endurance that football requires. More sprinting in hurling, with more of a mix between middle/long distance work needed for most positions in modern football.
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Replying To Formertownie: "Just put post up more or less saying the same . Fitness and dopting football tactics with certain level skill will bring the shels very close to winning that's for sure . Could very easily do the double." Doing the double without the split season will be harder for them, though there a few only play one code at the Shels.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 25/09/2024 11:10:16
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Outright odds on paddy power
Gorey 5/2
Martins 3/1
Anne's 9/2
Shels 9/2
Ferns 6/1
Harriers 8/1
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 138 - 25/09/2024 11:18:06
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Replying To Formertownie: "After this championship is done just thinking
The most successful hurling trio . Alley rathnure and oulart could be all playing at intermediate level
Although I expect rathnure to win intermediate..
Whilst at present the top 4 in hurling group stages are all dual senior/ 1 inter football clubs at present that could change over the weekend .
Is it just a numbers game or does playing footfall at higher level compliment their hurling .
Just wondering others opinions. Does playing both help is it momentum is it comradery .
Those 3 other teams first mentioned would be either hurling only or predominantly hurling 80/20 . Are they at a disadvantage putting all their eggs in one basket or as i said earlier is it just a numbers game .
Could it be apathy towards football subconsciously creeps into their hurling that they can't get to the intensity when they want or need to .ie can't switch it on and off . Can not playing every other week just training take the edge off or if playing football every 2nd week but not really giving everything somehow creep into ur hurling . Or am I over thinking it ." Don't know the club scene as well as many here but over thinking.
Oulart have some serious underage teams coming through, they will be back with a vengance in a few years based on the underage standard they have.
Buffers Alley and Rathnure I don't really remember seeing any great underage team from either club in the last 10-15 years. It is not a given but it is no surprise that the best under age teams go on to be the best adult teams.
Just how I view it.
The more curious one is Glynn, I have seen some really good underage teams from this club yet the adult setup has fallen off a cliff?
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Don't know the club scene as well as many here but over thinking.
Oulart have some serious underage teams coming through, they will be back with a vengance in a few years based on the underage standard they have.
Buffers Alley and Rathnure I don't really remember seeing any great underage team from either club in the last 10-15 years. It is not a given but it is no surprise that the best under age teams go on to be the best adult teams.
Just how I view it.
The more curious one is Glynn, I have seen some really good underage teams from this club yet the adult setup has fallen off a cliff?" I do think Clubs have highs and lows with regards to teams - especially Rural clubs. Buffers Alley have had some decent Minor / U19 / U21 teams over the last few years .. Rathnure are the same and probably should have beaten Harriers last year in U21 semi-final last year .. Oulart / Rathnure / Alley through to Premier U21 semi finals this year. Oulart have had good underage teams over past number of years
I think the key for most Adult clubs is trying to get 2/3 underage players through each year .. I think this caused the big demise of Rathnure / Alley / Oulart in that they had a shortage of talent and therefore their adult teams got older and older .. yes life has changed too with regards to travelling etc etc
It does question though as to why Harriers / Glynn / Marins haven't been more successful in Adult hurling when they have dominated underage for last 10 years .. Maybe Ferns / Annes are a very good example of the model - keep brining a few through every year and you will remain very competitive. No club can be sure of a brilliant minor team going to backbone their senior team.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "It's hard to know really. I gave up football in my late teens but hurled senior. Never liked football that much but I played because my hurling team mates were playing. One thing that certainly helped was the amount of running in football.
On the other hand, I don't think it's coincidence that shells, Martin's and gorey are where they are. That for me is just numbers. More funds, more volunteers, more players. Gorey will probably surpass the population of Wexford in my lifetime and a considerable proportion of their population are on Dublin wages which helps.
Crosstown and castle bridge have gotten fairly gentrified and population has ballooned there too.
Same for murrintown with the Martina.
The only exception really is the Anne's but their catchment area is massive, and in my view they're very well coached at all levels.
For me I'd lovely if a greater number of young lads could stay hurling in town. We've excellent underage teams but out of all the lads I played with only myself and two others hurled senior. Most of them played fai junior cup with North end after that." I think the hard discussion on player numbers needs to be had for sure based on demographics. The population of the county and country continues to increase but it's in the main towns not the villages/parishes that are the lifeblood of the GAA. There's various reasons for this with planning permission and lack of infrastructure in villages, a debate for another day!
If we focus on the main towns, Gorey and Wexford effectively have one hurling club each. Enniscorthy have a senior and junior. New Ross only junior. Is that model working well for us in terms of player participation or elite player development?
I think a model has to be encouraged where players look living inside the town boundaries are able to play with rural clubs where there are family connections etc. What unfortunately is happening is the reverse, players (not just Dunbar) coming into the towns to play with the large clubs at every level. New Ross needs a 5-10 year project to revive GAA in the town itself. Maybe some rural clubs need to consider properly merging too, as much as that would be a very difficult decision.
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Replying To Formertownie: "Just put post up more or less saying the same . Fitness and dopting football tactics with certain level skill will bring the shels very close to winning that's for sure . Could very easily do the double." Hurling at intercounty level started adopting football tactics some time go, Hurling now is unrecognizable from I would say even less then 20 years ago. Don't think for a second if managers could get away it they wouldn't be doing the 15 behind the ball that football does, its the fact that it doesn't work because of the distance a score can be taken form is the reason it doesn't happen not because Hurling managers are purists. The man responsible for the Shels style of play brought it in a few years back and he is a Rathnure man - hardly a football stronghold. I think for any team to be successful in both codes the managers style has to match up - one day you cannot be told to go out and play we free abandon and as individuals and the next in a structured environment. Players getting the same message despite from both codes and realising they are part of the cog is what I would say is the critical aspect.
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Replying To zinny: "Hurling at intercounty level started adopting football tactics some time go, Hurling now is unrecognizable from I would say even less then 20 years ago. Don't think for a second if managers could get away it they wouldn't be doing the 15 behind the ball that football does, its the fact that it doesn't work because of the distance a score can be taken form is the reason it doesn't happen not because Hurling managers are purists. The man responsible for the Shels style of play brought it in a few years back and he is a Rathnure man - hardly a football stronghold. I think for any team to be successful in both codes the managers style has to match up - one day you cannot be told to go out and play we free abandon and as individuals and the next in a structured environment. Players getting the same message despite from both codes and realising they are part of the cog is what I would say is the critical aspect." Sorry should have quoted killkenny.team the 4 in a row 2006 on were first to adopt successfully.
Think mangers will play whatever way they can to be successful development and pure hurling secondary.
Main point is where hurling men look down on football it does nt stop them using some of the tactics .
Football will always be less of a spectacle but it cannot be allowed to continue in its current trajectory where the skills are being negated through tactics of just stopping the other team .
I know there s more points in modern fine but goals bring out the atmosphere. Cynical play is really stopping it being as good a spectacle as it should and could be .
The Don't concede goals at any costs mentality .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 25/09/2024 13:35:10
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