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Harriers ,Ferns ,Cloughbawn , Rapps .
Is it just me or does there seem to be an air of indifference about the preliminary 1/4 finals.
I expected a lot more interest and excitement or is that just going to come at 1/4 final stage .
Injuries availability for teams will prob be the crucial difference in all games.
Flood for cloughbawn , rapps 2 or 3 could be back but will they be up to pace , donohoe for glynn, oulart need few back too , c/beg need everyone, think harriers and ferns playing with full deck as prob oylgate who seem to be few steps behind where they were last year . Of the 8 teams bar ferns are any real contenders on recent form or will the real championship form come through after the shadow boxing .
Most teams finished close or where u would have expected in the league format .
Looking at betting on weekends games only 1 game fairly even ferns/oylgate
Harriers 1/2 rapps 1/2 cloughbawn 2/7
Would have expected rapps 1/2 and oulart 13/8 would be closer in the betting think it's 50/50 game . Bookies rarely get it wrong though may have more info than us

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 19/09/2024 09:59:34    2570683

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Harriers ,Ferns ,Cloughbawn , Rapps .
Is it just me or does there seem to be an air of indifference about the preliminary 1/4 finals.
I expected a lot more interest and excitement or is that just going to come at 1/4 final stage .
Injuries availability for teams will prob be the crucial difference in all games.
Flood for cloughbawn , rapps 2 or 3 could be back but will they be up to pace , donohoe for glynn, oulart need few back too , c/beg need everyone, think harriers and ferns playing with full deck as prob oylgate who seem to be few steps behind where they were last year . Of the 8 teams bar ferns are any real contenders on recent form or will the real championship form come through after the shadow boxing .
Most teams finished close or where u would have expected in the league format .
Looking at betting on weekends games only 1 game fairly even ferns/oylgate
Harriers 1/2 rapps 1/2 cloughbawn 2/7
Would have expected rapps 1/2 and oulart 13/8 would be closer in the betting think it's 50/50 game . Bookies rarely get it wrong though may have more info than us"
Yeah agreed, the excitement isn't flowing as yet. Hopefully the games this weekend will be of a higher quality than what we've seen so far.

I think the Harriers will win but probably not too handily.

Going off the group stages you'd have to fancy Ferns but you saw what happened last year when they won all their group games and got caught out against last year's beaten finalist.

I think the Rapps and Oulart will be a belter and I just have a slight suspicion that Oulart will get over the line.

Cloughbawn should have enough to beat Crossabeg even without Flood.

Here's hoping for some good games anyway, regardless of results.

YellowShadeOfPurple (Wexford) - Posts: 23 - 19/09/2024 10:51:22    2570702

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Harriers ,Ferns ,Cloughbawn , Rapps .
Is it just me or does there seem to be an air of indifference about the preliminary 1/4 finals.
I expected a lot more interest and excitement or is that just going to come at 1/4 final stage .
Injuries availability for teams will prob be the crucial difference in all games.
Flood for cloughbawn , rapps 2 or 3 could be back but will they be up to pace , donohoe for glynn, oulart need few back too , c/beg need everyone, think harriers and ferns playing with full deck as prob oylgate who seem to be few steps behind where they were last year . Of the 8 teams bar ferns are any real contenders on recent form or will the real championship form come through after the shadow boxing .
Most teams finished close or where u would have expected in the league format .
Looking at betting on weekends games only 1 game fairly even ferns/oylgate
Harriers 1/2 rapps 1/2 cloughbawn 2/7
Would have expected rapps 1/2 and oulart 13/8 would be closer in the betting think it's 50/50 game . Bookies rarely get it wrong though may have more info than us"
There are separate previews for each game on Wexford GAA TV. Not sure what you mean by indifference. Talking to friends involved with a few of the 8 clubs they are all very excited. I don't think lads from other clubs were ever that excited by games not involving their own anyway?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 19/09/2024 11:34:10    2570712

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I m just not seeing the interest from neutrals. Even on here it's quietish .
Just thinking do generally neutrals see it as also rans gettimg the moment in the limelight and dont see any of them as contenders maybe ferns.
Side note will the 5 week break affect st znnes more than the other 3 as in dogfight in the football relegation
I do think 1/4 finals proper will have more interest even for me I m not as excited as I normally would be for knockbout stages .
I d be more interested to see who ends up in relegation final as winners of those 2 games most likely get knocked out at 1/4 final stage too .
Winners of 3 v 4 will be up against it too .
Whoever ends up playing annes prob best chance of result in the 1/4 finals out of the top 2 in each group .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 19/09/2024 13:10:52    2570739

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Replying To Viking66:  "There are separate previews for each game on Wexford GAA TV. Not sure what you mean by indifference. Talking to friends involved with a few of the 8 clubs they are all very excited. I don't think lads from other clubs were ever that excited by games not involving their own anyway?"
Formertownie has mentioned, i forget how many times at this stage Viking he is against the current structure so his comments are yet again just following on from that. Plenty of excitement for the teams involved. its knockout hurling.

Harriers - Glynn
Fancy Glynn, harriers are too patch for me.

Oylegate - Ferns
Again Oylegate no where near where they were last year, Ferns a seasoned knockout team at this stage, Ferns by 6.

Crossabeg-Ballymurn - Cloughbawn
Cloughbawn will be out for revenge for losing to Ballymurn a few years ago to put them dfown to Intermediate, Crossabeg will have know they were in a relegation semi for a while but i cant see past Cloughbawn at this stage. Also Ballymurn still in the football and going well in it.

Oulart - Rapps
Rapps might be improving but fancy Oulart on this one.

Intermediate

Fethard v Craanford
Fethard have yet to catch fire, Craanford have a good year so far. Fancy Fethard bigger players to stand up. Fethard by 3.

Askamore - Blackwater
Askamore not as good as other years while Blackwater there or there abouts always, Blackwater by 3.

Tara Rocks/Kilanerin - Gusserane
Rocks have been very poor, Gusserane probably unlucky to be in the relegatio semi, Gusserane by 4.

Horeswood - Taghmon
Taghmon have been so poor this year, unless they have some players back, I see Cathal Doyle came on for the football week before. Fancy Horeswood by 3.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 426 - 19/09/2024 13:21:18    2570744

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Replying To Formertownie:  "I m just not seeing the interest from neutrals. Even on here it's quietish .
Just thinking do generally neutrals see it as also rans gettimg the moment in the limelight and dont see any of them as contenders maybe ferns.
Side note will the 5 week break affect st znnes more than the other 3 as in dogfight in the football relegation
I do think 1/4 finals proper will have more interest even for me I m not as excited as I normally would be for knockbout stages .
I d be more interested to see who ends up in relegation final as winners of those 2 games most likely get knocked out at 1/4 final stage too .
Winners of 3 v 4 will be up against it too .
Whoever ends up playing annes prob best chance of result in the 1/4 finals out of the top 2 in each group ."
As a neutral myself, before a ball was pucked I had Martins and Gorey a little ahead of the pack. I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind. But I also do know most of the Senior clubs could beat the Martins or Gorey if things fell right for them on the day.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 19/09/2024 14:28:18    2570762

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Formertownie has mentioned, i forget how many times at this stage Viking he is against the current structure so his comments are yet again just following on from that. Plenty of excitement for the teams involved. its knockout hurling.

Harriers - Glynn
Fancy Glynn, harriers are too patch for me.

Oylegate - Ferns
Again Oylegate no where near where they were last year, Ferns a seasoned knockout team at this stage, Ferns by 6.

Crossabeg-Ballymurn - Cloughbawn
Cloughbawn will be out for revenge for losing to Ballymurn a few years ago to put them dfown to Intermediate, Crossabeg will have know they were in a relegation semi for a while but i cant see past Cloughbawn at this stage. Also Ballymurn still in the football and going well in it.

Oulart - Rapps
Rapps might be improving but fancy Oulart on this one.

Intermediate

Fethard v Craanford
Fethard have yet to catch fire, Craanford have a good year so far. Fancy Fethard bigger players to stand up. Fethard by 3.

Askamore - Blackwater
Askamore not as good as other years while Blackwater there or there abouts always, Blackwater by 3.

Tara Rocks/Kilanerin - Gusserane
Rocks have been very poor, Gusserane probably unlucky to be in the relegatio semi, Gusserane by 4.

Horeswood - Taghmon
Taghmon have been so poor this year, unless they have some players back, I see Cathal Doyle came on for the football week before. Fancy Horeswood by 3."
Agree with most of that, except Barntown looked terrible the last time I saw them, their last game. We will need alot of things to go right for us on the day to beat Horeswood. Hoping to get to a couple of the other games too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 19/09/2024 14:32:23    2570763

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Formertownie has mentioned, i forget how many times at this stage Viking he is against the current structure so his comments are yet again just following on from that. Plenty of excitement for the teams involved. its knockout hurling.

Harriers - Glynn
Fancy Glynn, harriers are too patch for me.

Oylegate - Ferns
Again Oylegate no where near where they were last year, Ferns a seasoned knockout team at this stage, Ferns by 6.

Crossabeg-Ballymurn - Cloughbawn
Cloughbawn will be out for revenge for losing to Ballymurn a few years ago to put them dfown to Intermediate, Crossabeg will have know they were in a relegation semi for a while but i cant see past Cloughbawn at this stage. Also Ballymurn still in the football and going well in it.

Oulart - Rapps
Rapps might be improving but fancy Oulart on this one.

Intermediate

Fethard v Craanford
Fethard have yet to catch fire, Craanford have a good year so far. Fancy Fethard bigger players to stand up. Fethard by 3.

Askamore - Blackwater
Askamore not as good as other years while Blackwater there or there abouts always, Blackwater by 3.

Tara Rocks/Kilanerin - Gusserane
Rocks have been very poor, Gusserane probably unlucky to be in the relegatio semi, Gusserane by 4.

Horeswood - Taghmon
Taghmon have been so poor this year, unless they have some players back, I see Cathal Doyle came on for the football week before. Fancy Horeswood by 3."
Not against format as such just needs tweaking in my opinion .
My main point was do I think any of the 8 teams will win championship no bar ferns who might be bit shy of it too In my opinion still but most likely of the 8 to contest or in the mix.
Of course clubs are interested in their own progress
I m just saying as neutrals not as much as you d expect .
More people in wexford were talking about ballyhale v village in relegation battle in kilkenny over the weekend then our iwn championship . Same format just more equal teams in quality in their championship which would make it more risk in general .
If u are 6th u should be out is my point all along and yes give 4th 5th a 2nd chance in preliminary 1/4 final . Let 123 into 1/4 final proper . Oulart clughbawn harriers and ferns most at risk this weekend under new format to lose out
Keep the format
Just tweak to make it more reward for good form/results more risk for lack of form/results .
Just can't see where current format will make us more competitive.
You need to have to go to the well more often to get our players up for the battle in general. It's like training with less intensity when the intensity of real games comes in will u be ready or fail as you not rightly prepared. What better way for ballyhale to prepare for knockout than a must win game .
I agree change was right thing to try but just because it was changed does nt mean it works . I m just trying to be fluid in my thinking and asking what else could be done to improve in general .
Viking says less games 16 teams 4 groip 4 more risk but less quality teams . Give lads chance to recover and enjoy life if they enjoy it more likely to improve themselves as hurlers it's still thinking out loud .
If everyone keeps thinking out loud maybe we ll come across a format where might not be perfect it might suit us in wexford .
Long winded but keep current format but tweak it .
No better place than here for people to pick faults In it
So keep thinking out loud don't be afraid to voice opinions or changes. We may just stumble on something I m sure there's enough watching on herethatvif we come up with viable option someone will propose it even tweak to their liking first .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 19/09/2024 14:39:14    2570767

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4 open games but I'd go for

Harriers
Ferns
Cloughbawn
Oulart

How does the format work after this weekend? Assume 5th/6th place winners play a team who came 1st? and winners of 3/4 play a 2nd placed team? Is it a draw or do they plan to avoid repeat pairings?

ontheball247 (UK) - Posts: 16 - 19/09/2024 14:44:42    2570771

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Replying To ontheball247:  "4 open games but I'd go for

Harriers
Ferns
Cloughbawn
Oulart

How does the format work after this weekend? Assume 5th/6th place winners play a team who came 1st? and winners of 3/4 play a 2nd placed team? Is it a draw or do they plan to avoid repeat pairings?"
They will try to avoid repeat pairings

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 19/09/2024 16:19:43    2570806

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Replying To ontheball247:  "4 open games but I'd go for

Harriers
Ferns
Cloughbawn
Oulart

How does the format work after this weekend? Assume 5th/6th place winners play a team who came 1st? and winners of 3/4 play a 2nd placed team? Is it a draw or do they plan to avoid repeat pairings?"
Yes, that's it. 1st placed teams v winners of 5th/6th, and 2nd placed team v winners of 3rd/4th.

Repeat pairings from the group stages to be avoided in the quarter-finals where possible. A draw to be held in Wexford Park on Sunday evening (think 6.30 p.m.) to sort out any of the grades where there'll have to be repeat pairings anyway.

An open draw for the semi-finals, with repeat pairings allowed.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 19/09/2024 17:06:05    2570821

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Has Eoin Murphy hurled much for Ferns since he came home. Damien Reck looks to be out for the weekend according to the Wexford Gaa preview for that game aswell

Redzer99 (Waterford) - Posts: 75 - 20/09/2024 14:14:32    2570988

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Replying To Redzer99:  "Has Eoin Murphy hurled much for Ferns since he came home. Damien Reck looks to be out for the weekend according to the Wexford Gaa preview for that game aswell"
I stand to be corrected if there's anybody here from Ferns, but fairly sure that Murphy came on at half-time during his first game back (Round 4) and then played most or all of Round 5.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 20/09/2024 14:51:35    2571002

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That was an awful AWFUL display there this evening from Barntown, a sorry performance to say the least

hurlin101 (Wexford) - Posts: 109 - 20/09/2024 21:24:25    2571061

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Headed into Wexford park this evening. Thought Harriers would win as they were in a tougher group I believe. A complete mis match from start to finish. It was as poor as an effort iv ever seen in senior hurling from Glynn Barntown and I've been going to matches for a long time now. Not taking anything from the Harriers they will give Gorey/Martins a run for there money and have some great young hurlers. They hurled to the end and didn't let up either which is a sign of a good team.Would fear for Glynn in the senior ranks. The fact that they won two games makes me fear for the standard of some teams in the senior championship.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 225 - 20/09/2024 21:50:17    2571065

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Replying To hurlin101:  "That was an awful AWFUL display there this evening from Barntown, a sorry performance to say the least"
I wasn't expecting that at all. Have interest in both clubs and they're generally decent games. Barntown were an absolute shambles, to the point I'm none the wiser about our (harriers) prospects.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3064 - 21/09/2024 07:19:21    2571080

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Replying To hurlin101:  "That was an awful AWFUL display there this evening from Barntown, a sorry performance to say the least"
It was the worst knock-out display I have ever seen. First touch, movement, game plan, even passion, all well, well below what you'd expect at any level. Now if it's a case of them putting all their eggs into the football basket against Shels next week, its a bold strategy, since they have lost three on the spin in that code.

I reckon Harriers would have beaten anyone last night regardless, Clancy is under-the-radar good this campaign, Chin is Chin and raising the performance of everyone around him, while the young starlets are gradually fulfilling their potential. But I never seen such nothingness in a do-or-die match. I hope its an anamoly and not a symptom of the new format when it's hard to turn on the switch after weeks of shadow boxing.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1445 - 21/09/2024 07:33:00    2571081

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Replying To beano:  "It was the worst knock-out display I have ever seen. First touch, movement, game plan, even passion, all well, well below what you'd expect at any level. Now if it's a case of them putting all their eggs into the football basket against Shels next week, its a bold strategy, since they have lost three on the spin in that code.

I reckon Harriers would have beaten anyone last night regardless, Clancy is under-the-radar good this campaign, Chin is Chin and raising the performance of everyone around him, while the young starlets are gradually fulfilling their potential. But I never seen such nothingness in a do-or-die match. I hope its an anamoly and not a symptom of the new format when it's hard to turn on the switch after weeks of shadow boxing."
Everything about glynn barntown was bad last night . Worst performance I ve ever seen . It could have been even worse harriers missed some very scoreable chances. Not negative v harriers just trying to give perspective to glynns performance and effort .
Gane was over aftr 10 15 min . There was nothing redeemable about Glynn .
After last years scare you would think when you get to knockout you would at least try . Judging by that performance /effort if its a guide they ll be relegated soon enough huge numbers of players hiw can they not get 20 players that would actually show pride at a minimum .
Something seriously wrong in glynn by looks of that .
Harriers done what was needed and I think they can go further than I might have originally thought might b peaking at right time . No one will want to play them if they fire like that .
Harriers will take huge pleasure in that hiding against their near rivals .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 21/09/2024 09:27:19    2571102

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I wasn't expecting that at all. Have interest in both clubs and they're generally decent games. Barntown were an absolute shambles, to the point I'm none the wiser about our (harriers) prospects."
I didn't go in thanks be to God! But in their last game against the Annes they were shocking also. Serious issues with their underage set up. Because they have such large numbers they are winning underage titles purely by law of averages. I personally know that they have a heap of Award 1 coaches in that club. Some of whom are very very good. But if you only train once a week at u12 you aren't starting out right when it comes to developing top players. And below that I've had parents of boys in Barntown complaining to me that their kids aren't getting enough touches or coaching also.
Apart from Mark when was the last time they had an intercounty regular on the Senior hurling team? And of their lads coming through Darragh Carley is OK but would need to get his mental processing/heads up hurling much sharper, the only one that might become a top player looks like Conor Mahoney, if he gets physically stronger, while Furlong had some good moments for the u20s.
All this from a club with 51, fifty one, u12s this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 21/09/2024 11:01:22    2571118

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Replying To beano:  "It was the worst knock-out display I have ever seen. First touch, movement, game plan, even passion, all well, well below what you'd expect at any level. Now if it's a case of them putting all their eggs into the football basket against Shels next week, its a bold strategy, since they have lost three on the spin in that code.

I reckon Harriers would have beaten anyone last night regardless, Clancy is under-the-radar good this campaign, Chin is Chin and raising the performance of everyone around him, while the young starlets are gradually fulfilling their potential. But I never seen such nothingness in a do-or-die match. I hope its an anamoly and not a symptom of the new format when it's hard to turn on the switch after weeks of shadow boxing."
We should've kept the split season. It was inevitable the standard would worsen at dual clubs when their players had to keep jumping from football to hurling and back again. The 2 sports have completely different skillsets, even if they are both 15 a side and played on the same pitches.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13441 - 21/09/2024 11:06:33    2571120

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