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Replying To Galway9801:  "No but if you listened to Jamaican musicians 10 months of the year and then proudly proclaimed your disdain for a team of Jamaican musicians every second summer you're not really making any sense.
That's even before we get into the fact that a lot of ABE 's speak English and move to England for work and don't have any interest in their own culture, and the fact that despite us saying "well never hear the end of it if they win" we're still banging on about a goal that was scored 36 years ago.

Ah stop,"
Take heed to the last two words of your post Galway9801. Did we not do this conversation recently enough and it got you nowhere. Do you really want to do it all over again?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2443 - 16/07/2024 19:53:45    2559606

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Replying To dolfos:  "Which part is mind boggling?"
Which part isn't?
If a group of LOI players making a very good living here were in a pub cheering on "anyone but Ireland" it'd be a bit daft wouldn't it?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1869 - 16/07/2024 19:55:03    2559607

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The lady soccer players won a game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh against the French B team. Not to rain on anyone's parade but it seemed way over the top to be wildly celebrating winning a dead rubber. If ladies sports are to gain the respect and status they want, how is celebrating winning a dead rubber part of that process?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8109 - 17/07/2024 06:09:22    2559657

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Perhaps but the EPL has a far greater percentage of English players than any other league and is the most popular league in Ireland, including our own one ,and besides, Irish interest in the English game long predates the arrival of foreign players.
Most of my family are die hard Liverpool fans dating back to the 70s and 80s, same goes for United I'm sure.
As for the hype? We must be watching different sports outlets. English fans and the English media are often times very hard on the team, and quick to dismiss them.
And as for your last point, if we're entitled to remenisce about a goal scored at the euros, the English are entitled to remenisce about winning the world cup. Simple as."
Galway9801, you are failing to understand that club football and international football are two entirely different entities. It's like club and inter-county. I've heard and seen football and hurling fans singing players names, hugging players, taking selfies, etc. at inter-county games and then roaring abuse at the same players a few weeks later at club games.

Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 85 - 17/07/2024 07:51:55    2559662

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The lady soccer players won a game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh against the French B team. Not to rain on anyone's parade but it seemed way over the top to be wildly celebrating winning a dead rubber. If ladies sports are to gain the respect and status they want, how is celebrating winning a dead rubber part of that process?"
Because you're more likely to get young ladies involved in soccer putting a positive spin on it than saying Ireland ladies win a dead rubber football match.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7519 - 17/07/2024 08:23:10    2559666

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The lady soccer players won a game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh against the French B team. Not to rain on anyone's parade but it seemed way over the top to be wildly celebrating winning a dead rubber. If ladies sports are to gain the respect and status they want, how is celebrating winning a dead rubber part of that process?"
18,000 people turned up to watch the match at the Páirc Uí Chaoimh on a Tuesday night. And all you can do is put it down. There were plenty of dead rubbers in this year's football and hurling championships, with people celebrating. I didn't see any comments about 'respect and status' from you about them.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2615 - 17/07/2024 08:58:56    2559673

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Perhaps but the EPL has a far greater percentage of English players than any other league and is the most popular league in Ireland, including our own one ,and besides, Irish interest in the English game long predates the arrival of foreign players.
Most of my family are die hard Liverpool fans dating back to the 70s and 80s, same goes for United I'm sure.
As for the hype? We must be watching different sports outlets. English fans and the English media are often times very hard on the team, and quick to dismiss them.
And as for your last point, if we're entitled to remenisce about a goal scored at the euros, the English are entitled to remenisce about winning the world cup. Simple as."
True on the support going back before the modern era. On the fans and the media, the pile on usually happens after the team gets knocked out buckling under the pressure set for weeks by the media and the fans. I was reading the UK Independent recently after the QF was played and scraped through and the headline was 'two games to glory'. Then you had the hilarious piece a few years ago when Keane ranted about them on about the final when they hadn't even won the semi. In 1998 the Sun paid for a double decker red bus to drive into Marseille before one of Englands matches playing the national anthem and giving out bowler hats. Of course that helped start a hooligan riot. Huge hype going into that torunament and then when it all went wrong Beckham was effectively lynched by the media. Footballs coming home is brought up for nearly every tournament. Riled up by the media the lumpen proleteriat support base they have turn to violence when they can. A shocking stat is the huge rise in domestic violence that occurs when England play.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 969 - 17/07/2024 09:36:56    2559679

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The lady soccer players won a game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh against the French B team. Not to rain on anyone's parade but it seemed way over the top to be wildly celebrating winning a dead rubber. If ladies sports are to gain the respect and status they want, how is celebrating winning a dead rubber part of that process?"
It wasn't a dead rubber though. They've secured a favourable play off spot after last night's win.

A great win against a very decent French side, who had a very strong 11 on by the end.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13769 - 17/07/2024 10:26:11    2559693

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "True on the support going back before the modern era. On the fans and the media, the pile on usually happens after the team gets knocked out buckling under the pressure set for weeks by the media and the fans. I was reading the UK Independent recently after the QF was played and scraped through and the headline was 'two games to glory'. Then you had the hilarious piece a few years ago when Keane ranted about them on about the final when they hadn't even won the semi. In 1998 the Sun paid for a double decker red bus to drive into Marseille before one of Englands matches playing the national anthem and giving out bowler hats. Of course that helped start a hooligan riot. Huge hype going into that torunament and then when it all went wrong Beckham was effectively lynched by the media. Footballs coming home is brought up for nearly every tournament. Riled up by the media the lumpen proleteriat support base they have turn to violence when they can. A shocking stat is the huge rise in domestic violence that occurs when England play."
Rampant jingoism, ignorance, and a total lack of self-awareness along with heavy alcohol and cocaine consumption is a potent mix.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9342 - 17/07/2024 11:05:00    2559708

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Lads, some of you think being contrary equals being intelligent

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12147 - 17/07/2024 11:25:31    2559716

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Replying To Rebel2020:  "Galway9801, you are failing to understand that club football and international football are two entirely different entities. It's like club and inter-county. I've heard and seen football and hurling fans singing players names, hugging players, taking selfies, etc. at inter-county games and then roaring abuse at the same players a few weeks later at club games."
That's not really a fair comparison though.
For example, if I as a galwayman hated the mayo county team, yet only followed mayo club football while ignoring my own counties club football, that would be a more accurate comparison. That's before we even get into the fact that alot of these ABEs who wave the tricolor hate the GAA, the Irish language, Irish music etc. and most other aspects of irish culture. It's all very silly tbh.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1869 - 18/07/2024 00:21:29    2559823

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Replying To Galway9801:  "That's not really a fair comparison though.
For example, if I as a galwayman hated the mayo county team, yet only followed mayo club football while ignoring my own counties club football, that would be a more accurate comparison. That's before we even get into the fact that alot of these ABEs who wave the tricolor hate the GAA, the Irish language, Irish music etc. and most other aspects of irish culture. It's all very silly tbh."
None of it is a fair comparison, btw some massive generalisations being thrown around there about the ABE brigade .

I was born and bred in England, I thought Spain winning on Sunday was hilarious, the arrogance of the fans, pundits and press is hilarious, they are dumbfounded by the fact they don't win every game. When Iceland beat England in 2016, the Welsh national team jumped up and down, a fair few of whom were born in England, so do they all hate Welsh culture, language and Tom Jones?

Tying yourself up in knots to prove how morally superior you are because ain't worth the effort, it's just sport and a bit of banter.

dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 121 - 18/07/2024 09:41:40    2559839

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Replying To dolfos:  "None of it is a fair comparison, btw some massive generalisations being thrown around there about the ABE brigade .

I was born and bred in England, I thought Spain winning on Sunday was hilarious, the arrogance of the fans, pundits and press is hilarious, they are dumbfounded by the fact they don't win every game. When Iceland beat England in 2016, the Welsh national team jumped up and down, a fair few of whom were born in England, so do they all hate Welsh culture, language and Tom Jones?

Tying yourself up in knots to prove how morally superior you are because ain't worth the effort, it's just sport and a bit of banter."
This is it. There's no doubt a lot of their fans are just genuine people following their country.
But there's also another sizeable portion of them who are utterly loathsome. People trapped in nostalgia for an era of pre-Suez imperial greatness that drove them to idiotically vote for Brexit.

I read an article on the The Athletic on Monday where they'd sent a reporter to Benidorm to cover how the fans behaved.
Predictably is how it could be best described. The reported likened it to the final days of Rome. At the final whistle, a Spanish cameraman is spat at, and a TV presenter is shouted at by an English woman who tells her that "she is in the wrong part of town".

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9342 - 18/07/2024 14:37:23    2559927

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Replying To dolfos:  "None of it is a fair comparison, btw some massive generalisations being thrown around there about the ABE brigade .

I was born and bred in England, I thought Spain winning on Sunday was hilarious, the arrogance of the fans, pundits and press is hilarious, they are dumbfounded by the fact they don't win every game. When Iceland beat England in 2016, the Welsh national team jumped up and down, a fair few of whom were born in England, so do they all hate Welsh culture, language and Tom Jones?

Tying yourself up in knots to prove how morally superior you are because ain't worth the effort, it's just sport and a bit of banter."
Whats your point re the Welsh fans "all" hating their culture. I never said all. I haven't thrown out any massive generalisations. I said "alot" of ABE'Ss,, a massive generalisation would have been if I said "all".
I haven't tied myself up in knots, I've been consistent on this topic,, and I haven't tried to prove how morally superior I am, I'm pointing out what I see as a contradiction.
Pointing out contradictions and flaws in the positions you disagree with, and making your own arguments, are the whole point of these forums.

In replying to this post, would you please acknowledge your mistake and admit that I never said "all" ABE's hate their own culture.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1869 - 18/07/2024 14:58:41    2559933

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "This is it. There's no doubt a lot of their fans are just genuine people following their country.
But there's also another sizeable portion of them who are utterly loathsome. People trapped in nostalgia for an era of pre-Suez imperial greatness that drove them to idiotically vote for Brexit.

I read an article on the The Athletic on Monday where they'd sent a reporter to Benidorm to cover how the fans behaved.
Predictably is how it could be best described. The reported likened it to the final days of Rome. At the final whistle, a Spanish cameraman is spat at, and a TV presenter is shouted at by an English woman who tells her that "she is in the wrong part of town"."
In terms of a percentage,,how many English fans on holidays throughout Europe during the summer engaged in thuggish behaviour?
If you had to guess...

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1869 - 18/07/2024 15:04:51    2559934

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Replying To Galway9801:  "In terms of a percentage,,how many English fans on holidays throughout Europe during the summer engaged in thuggish behaviour?
If you had to guess..."
I don't know. But I would bet that it's more than fans of other countries.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9342 - 18/07/2024 15:48:38    2559943

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