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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "You are missing the point… teams are less likely to go for goals with this ridiculous 2pt rule available.. Kerry will always create goals and the 4 in the Leinster Final were the result of woeful defending by 2 seriously average teams… Louth wouldn't have a chance of any of those goals against a top team… A couple of those goals were also seriously soft penalty decisions" I might be missing the point (you keep moving the goalposts), but the teams are scoring the goals.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 907 - 12/05/2025 20:59:25
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The 2 point rule has its positives and negatives, but at the moment its is generally positive, so is good addition.
While all the rule "enhancements" have had a impact, the biggest one has to be the combination of handing back the ball, solo and go and 50m penalty for blocking the solo and go.
All ****housery has been eliminated, which resulted in all 3 provincial finals going right to the wire as the opposition couldnt start play acting, holding up the ball, starting rows etc to slow down the opposition who were chasing the game.
The one thing I would change in the morning is crossing back over the halfway line once you are up in attack - Louth did it a fair few times on Sunday when Meath pushed out to win the ball back - soft options like that let teams hold onto the ball handpassing around the place.
I would also make sure you cant handpass it back to the guy who just handpassed it to you.
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "The 2 point rule has its positives and negatives, but at the moment its is generally positive, so is good addition.
While all the rule "enhancements" have had a impact, the biggest one has to be the combination of handing back the ball, solo and go and 50m penalty for blocking the solo and go.
All ****housery has been eliminated, which resulted in all 3 provincial finals going right to the wire as the opposition couldnt start play acting, holding up the ball, starting rows etc to slow down the opposition who were chasing the game.
The one thing I would change in the morning is crossing back over the halfway line once you are up in attack - Louth did it a fair few times on Sunday when Meath pushed out to win the ball back - soft options like that let teams hold onto the ball handpassing around the place.
I would also make sure you cant handpass it back to the guy who just handpassed it to you." So far the rules have had a positive effect and I wouldn't "change anything in the morning"!
A ban on moving the ball back into your own half I agree would result in making ball retention more difficult but could it also result in forcing players to take on ridiculous shots for points because they have no out ball. I think the balance at the moment is not bad.
Solo and Go is a big plus but referees are sometimes allowing the player to go first and then solo which is a big advantage. The rule clearly states "solo immediately"!
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A free is given…. hand the ball back to your opponent ( like a child ) who then can toe tap the ball ( like rugby ) and then run into the guy who handed it to him and low and behold the man with the whistle decides to bring the ball up 50 meters… You can then bring the ball back outside this new arc and kick a free worth 2 points.. Such nonsense… It's no longer Gaelic football… it's some sort of a soft rugger type mix of a game…!!!!
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A free is given…. hand the ball back to your opponent ( like a child ) who then can toe tap the ball ( like rugby ) and then run into the guy who handed it to him and low and behold the man with the whistle decides to bring the ball up 50 meters… You can then bring the ball back outside this new arc and kick a free worth 2 points.. Such nonsense… It's no longer Gaelic football… it's some sort of a soft rugger type mix of a game…!!!!" You should really stop watching GAA - its clearly very upsetting for you
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "You should really stop watching GAA - its clearly very upsetting for you" Shouldn't be called Gaelic football anymore as it's obviously some sort of hybrid rugger type of sport… all thanks to the great FRC…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3921 - 14/05/2025 13:17:55
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A free is given…. hand the ball back to your opponent ( like a child ) who then can toe tap the ball ( like rugby ) and then run into the guy who handed it to him and low and behold the man with the whistle decides to bring the ball up 50 meters… You can then bring the ball back outside this new arc and kick a free worth 2 points.. Such nonsense… It's no longer Gaelic football… it's some sort of a soft rugger type mix of a game…!!!!" You commit foul play, yes, you are rightly punished. Handing the ball back effectively takes you out of the game, so you will think twice about fouling after that. If you choose to foul, accept the penalty. If you don't make an effort to get out of the way of course it is brought up 50m, its easy to step to one side quickly and just chase back. If the solo and go player deliberately goes to run into you, he is (should be according to rules) penalised for feigning a foul. I don't think you are cut out to watch gaelic football if its upsetting you this much. Embrace change and don't become an outdated relic.
botheyesclosed (Longford) - Posts: 126 - 15/05/2025 14:28:31
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A free is given…. hand the ball back to your opponent ( like a child ) who then can toe tap the ball ( like rugby ) and then run into the guy who handed it to him and low and behold the man with the whistle decides to bring the ball up 50 meters… You can then bring the ball back outside this new arc and kick a free worth 2 points.. Such nonsense… It's no longer Gaelic football… it's some sort of a soft rugger type mix of a game…!!!!" You commit foul play, yes, you are rightly punished. Handing the ball back effectively takes you out of the game, so you will think twice about fouling after that. If you choose to foul, accept the penalty. If you don't make an effort to get out of the way of course it is brought up 50m, its easy to step to one side quickly and just chase back. If the solo and go player deliberately goes to run into you, he is (should be according to rules) penalised for feigning a foul. I don't think you are cut out to watch gaelic football if its upsetting you this much. Embrace change and don't become an outdated relic.
botheyesclosed (Longford) - Posts: 126 - 15/05/2025 14:29:03
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A free is given…. hand the ball back to your opponent ( like a child ) who then can toe tap the ball ( like rugby ) and then run into the guy who handed it to him and low and behold the man with the whistle decides to bring the ball up 50 meters… You can then bring the ball back outside this new arc and kick a free worth 2 points.. Such nonsense… It's no longer Gaelic football… it's some sort of a soft rugger type mix of a game…!!!!" You commit foul play, yes, you are rightly punished. Handing the ball back effectively takes you out of the game, so you will think twice about fouling after that. If you choose to foul, accept the penalty. If you don't make an effort to get out of the way of course it is brought up 50m, its easy to step to one side quickly and just chase back. If the solo and go player deliberately goes to run into you, he is (should be according to rules) penalised for feigning a foul. I don't think you are cut out to watch gaelic football if its upsetting you this much. Embrace change and don't become an outdated relic.
botheyesclosed (Longford) - Posts: 126 - 15/05/2025 14:29:09
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Replying To botheyesclosed: "You commit foul play, yes, you are rightly punished. Handing the ball back effectively takes you out of the game, so you will think twice about fouling after that. If you choose to foul, accept the penalty. If you don't make an effort to get out of the way of course it is brought up 50m, its easy to step to one side quickly and just chase back. If the solo and go player deliberately goes to run into you, he is (should be according to rules) penalised for feigning a foul. I don't think you are cut out to watch gaelic football if its upsetting you this much. Embrace change and don't become an outdated relic." You must be some type of relic yourself as you posted the same thing 3 times… Solo and go needs to be tided up or it's too easily exploited… Handing the ball back is nothing short of laughable , even the ladies don't have to lower themselves to do that…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3921 - 15/05/2025 18:46:30
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Scrap the 2 pointer for a free.
Scrap the re-take of a Mark, if the player does not score from the solo and go option.
The moving of a free up 50m is excessive for back chat.
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4265 - 20/05/2025 09:44:21
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Replying To Fionn: "Scrap the 2 pointer for a free.
Scrap the re-take of a Mark, if the player does not score from the solo and go option.
The moving of a free up 50m is excessive for back chat." You are 100% correct Fionn… in fact I would get rid of the 2pt score altogether
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3921 - 20/05/2025 18:31:54
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Assuming the rules at the end of 2024 aren't getting changed
The end of year decision will be for scraping and/or including them for the next 5 years. Should they be scrapped, the rule will revert to the previous rule situation for the next 5 years.
Playing Rules
Play on immediately - Kick Out Mark
The alternative is to go back to stopping the play once the mark is awarded - no thanks - new rule wins
Play on immediately - Advanced Mark
The alternative is to go back to the shorter range mark and stopping the game once called - no thanks - new rule wins
3/3 Structure
The alternative is back to no restrictions and the 15 v 15 up and down the field rugby like game of last year - no thanks - new rule wins
Two Point Score/40M SCORING ARC
The alternative is to not reward a long range score and go back to teams handpassing around trying to work the ball to the D for the high percentage shot - no thanks - new rule wins
Hooter System
The alternative is to go back to the referee deciding to extend the game however he wants and the game to have less time in play (like before) and a whole load of time wasting at the end - no thanks - new rules wins
1 V 1 THROW IN
The alternative is to go back to 2 v 2 - I wouldn't be bothered either way - with the solo and go - fouling at the throw in will result in plan on anyway. - I'd go back to 2 v 2 - Old rule wins
KICK-OUTS - all of the players to be outside the 20-metre line before it is kicked.
The alternative is to go back to no restriction and make the short kick out viable again - reducing the contest for possession in midfield - no thanks - as a man of 6ft 4in, give me a high fielding battle in midfield over a race to the 21 yard line any day - New rule wins
LIMITING BACK PASSES TO A GOALKEEPER
The alternative is the give and go with the keeper and having the keeper running up the field as per last year - no thanks - new rule wins.
Solo and Go
Alternative is to stop the game for every free (45-50 per match) - no thanks - new rule wins
Disciplinary Rules
- 50m penalty for tactical fouling for the purpose of deliberately delaying or impeding play as follows
- A player who concedes a free must retreat immediately.
Alternative is to let him obstruct the free taker and slow up play to get his team back in position - no thanks - new rule wins
- Ball must be handed back to nearest opposition player.
Alternative is to let the offender throw the ball away and slow up play to get his team back in position - no thanks - new rule wins
Dissent
- Showing dissent with the referee's decision to award a freekick to the opposing team results in the free
being moved forward 50m.
Alternative is to allow any player bitch and moan at the ref every chance he gets - no thanks - new rule wins
- Misconduct by a Team Official(s) that warrants a Yellow or Red Card results in a free kick on the offending
team's 13m line.
This is a good rule and has stopped all messing from sideline personnel.- new rule wins
- Teams will nominate a designated player (i.e. captain or his deputy) for the purpose of seeking clarification
of a decision made by the referee.
This goes hand in hand with showing dissent to the ref - if you don't allow dissent you have to have this - new rule wins
New Black Card Offences
- deliberately and cynically holding up but not pulling down an opponent
The alternative is to only penalise a pull down and not a pull back/hold up of a player - no thanks - new rule wins
- To contribute to a melee
the alternative is to allow a melee and only dish out yellows - no thanks - new rule wins as it has stopped melees completely (during the game anyway)
There is a certain Cavan man on here who is against them all, but I doubt anyone else would go back to the way things were on more than 3 or 4 out of 17.
The alternative is to go back to the old rule from 2024, not to introduce an alternative rule which hasn't been trialed in 2025.
If you want something different to what was in place in 2024 or 2025, then you have to wait 4 years to get your motion even heard at Congress.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1400 - 21/05/2025 17:21:22
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Assuming the rules at the end of 2024 aren't getting changed
The end of year decision will be for scraping and/or including them for the next 5 years. Should they be scrapped, the rule will revert to the previous rule situation for the next 5 years.
Playing Rules
Play on immediately - Kick Out Mark
The alternative is to go back to stopping the play once the mark is awarded - no thanks - new rule wins
Play on immediately - Advanced Mark
The alternative is to go back to the shorter range mark and stopping the game once called - no thanks - new rule wins
3/3 Structure
The alternative is back to no restrictions and the 15 v 15 up and down the field rugby like game of last year - no thanks - new rule wins
Two Point Score/40M SCORING ARC
The alternative is to not reward a long range score and go back to teams handpassing around trying to work the ball to the D for the high percentage shot - no thanks - new rule wins
Hooter System
The alternative is to go back to the referee deciding to extend the game however he wants and the game to have less time in play (like before) and a whole load of time wasting at the end - no thanks - new rules wins
1 V 1 THROW IN
The alternative is to go back to 2 v 2 - I wouldn't be bothered either way - with the solo and go - fouling at the throw in will result in plan on anyway. - I'd go back to 2 v 2 - Old rule wins
KICK-OUTS - all of the players to be outside the 20-metre line before it is kicked.
The alternative is to go back to no restriction and make the short kick out viable again - reducing the contest for possession in midfield - no thanks - as a man of 6ft 4in, give me a high fielding battle in midfield over a race to the 21 yard line any day - New rule wins
LIMITING BACK PASSES TO A GOALKEEPER
The alternative is the give and go with the keeper and having the keeper running up the field as per last year - no thanks - new rule wins.
Solo and Go
Alternative is to stop the game for every free (45-50 per match) - no thanks - new rule wins
Disciplinary Rules
- 50m penalty for tactical fouling for the purpose of deliberately delaying or impeding play as follows
- A player who concedes a free must retreat immediately.
Alternative is to let him obstruct the free taker and slow up play to get his team back in position - no thanks - new rule wins
- Ball must be handed back to nearest opposition player.
Alternative is to let the offender throw the ball away and slow up play to get his team back in position - no thanks - new rule wins
Dissent
- Showing dissent with the referee's decision to award a freekick to the opposing team results in the free
being moved forward 50m.
Alternative is to allow any player bitch and moan at the ref every chance he gets - no thanks - new rule wins
- Misconduct by a Team Official(s) that warrants a Yellow or Red Card results in a free kick on the offending
team's 13m line.
This is a good rule and has stopped all messing from sideline personnel.- new rule wins
- Teams will nominate a designated player (i.e. captain or his deputy) for the purpose of seeking clarification
of a decision made by the referee.
This goes hand in hand with showing dissent to the ref - if you don't allow dissent you have to have this - new rule wins
New Black Card Offences
- deliberately and cynically holding up but not pulling down an opponent
The alternative is to only penalise a pull down and not a pull back/hold up of a player - no thanks - new rule wins
- To contribute to a melee
the alternative is to allow a melee and only dish out yellows - no thanks - new rule wins as it has stopped melees completely (during the game anyway)
There is a certain Cavan man on here who is against them all, but I doubt anyone else would go back to the way things were on more than 3 or 4 out of 17.
The alternative is to go back to the old rule from 2024, not to introduce an alternative rule which hasn't been trialed in 2025.
If you want something different to what was in place in 2024 or 2025, then you have to wait 4 years to get your motion even heard at Congress." Nobody is against all the new rule changes. Some of them are just ridiculous… like handing the ball back like a spoiled child… what was wrong with placing it on the ground… anyone throwing or kicking it away should be punished.. the rule that allows a forward catch a ball shoot it wide and then get another go at it is pure madness… 2 pointers are another hate for most right thinking people… .. The rules I like are the 3 up , tap and go ( but the player must stop when fouled and not head straight for the nearest play to gain the silly 50m advantage.. Hooter system good as well but should probably end the game immediately… Some of the rules have helped the game… some have turned it into a game that you wouldn't recognise…. Far too many changes for a start but that just proves the point I always made that the game was in dire straits…. unless you were one of the deluded…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3921 - 21/05/2025 19:46:50
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Assuming the rules at the end of 2024 aren't getting changed
The end of year decision will be for scraping and/or including them for the next 5 years. Should they be scrapped, the rule will revert to the previous rule situation for the next 5 years.
Playing Rules
Play on immediately - Kick Out Mark
The alternative is to go back to stopping the play once the mark is awarded - no thanks - new rule wins
Play on immediately - Advanced Mark
The alternative is to go back to the shorter range mark and stopping the game once called - no thanks - new rule wins
3/3 Structure
The alternative is back to no restrictions and the 15 v 15 up and down the field rugby like game of last year - no thanks - new rule wins
Two Point Score/40M SCORING ARC
The alternative is to not reward a long range score and go back to teams handpassing around trying to work the ball to the D for the high percentage shot - no thanks - new rule wins
Hooter System
The alternative is to go back to the referee deciding to extend the game however he wants and the game to have less time in play (like before) and a whole load of time wasting at the end - no thanks - new rules wins
1 V 1 THROW IN
The alternative is to go back to 2 v 2 - I wouldn't be bothered either way - with the solo and go - fouling at the throw in will result in plan on anyway. - I'd go back to 2 v 2 - Old rule wins
KICK-OUTS - all of the players to be outside the 20-metre line before it is kicked.
The alternative is to go back to no restriction and make the short kick out viable again - reducing the contest for possession in midfield - no thanks - as a man of 6ft 4in, give me a high fielding battle in midfield over a race to the 21 yard line any day - New rule wins
LIMITING BACK PASSES TO A GOALKEEPER
The alternative is the give and go with the keeper and having the keeper running up the field as per last year - no thanks - new rule wins.
Solo and Go
Alternative is to stop the game for every free (45-50 per match) - no thanks - new rule wins
Disciplinary Rules
- 50m penalty for tactical fouling for the purpose of deliberately delaying or impeding play as follows
- A player who concedes a free must retreat immediately.
Alternative is to let him obstruct the free taker and slow up play to get his team back in position - no thanks - new rule wins
- Ball must be handed back to nearest opposition player.
Alternative is to let the offender throw the ball away and slow up play to get his team back in position - no thanks - new rule wins
Dissent
- Showing dissent with the referee's decision to award a freekick to the opposing team results in the free
being moved forward 50m.
Alternative is to allow any player bitch and moan at the ref every chance he gets - no thanks - new rule wins
- Misconduct by a Team Official(s) that warrants a Yellow or Red Card results in a free kick on the offending
team's 13m line.
This is a good rule and has stopped all messing from sideline personnel.- new rule wins
- Teams will nominate a designated player (i.e. captain or his deputy) for the purpose of seeking clarification
of a decision made by the referee.
This goes hand in hand with showing dissent to the ref - if you don't allow dissent you have to have this - new rule wins
New Black Card Offences
- deliberately and cynically holding up but not pulling down an opponent
The alternative is to only penalise a pull down and not a pull back/hold up of a player - no thanks - new rule wins
- To contribute to a melee
the alternative is to allow a melee and only dish out yellows - no thanks - new rule wins as it has stopped melees completely (during the game anyway)
There is a certain Cavan man on here who is against them all, but I doubt anyone else would go back to the way things were on more than 3 or 4 out of 17.
The alternative is to go back to the old rule from 2024, not to introduce an alternative rule which hasn't been trialed in 2025.
If you want something different to what was in place in 2024 or 2025, then you have to wait 4 years to get your motion even heard at Congress." I'd agree with nearly all you say. Personally I'd stay with one from from each team for the throw in, I take your point re the tap and go but watching it I just think the one on one is tidier, not a big deal.
Surely however it's time for referee's football and hurling to enforce an old rule. When a referee restarts a game by throw-up(football) or throw-in(hurling) it's supposed to involve 2 players only, all others 13 metres away. In football it's very poorly enforced, in hurling it is totally disregarded.
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Replying To Fionn: "Scrap the 2 pointer for a free.
Scrap the re-take of a Mark, if the player does not score from the solo and go option.
The moving of a free up 50m is excessive for back chat." Spot on Fionn.Thr mark is a joke at mo! Also having a chance of a two pointer after a 50 metre penalty is beyond unfair.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3931 - 21/05/2025 21:01:41
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