Penalising Teams For The Behaviour Of Their Back Room Teams, Coaches And Selectors?
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I have noted in the last number of games, deemed breaches of the rules by back room team members inside the fence resulting in yellow cards flashed (i.e. Paul Kinnerk for Limerick yellow carded versus Cork, and Brian Lohan as well as both the Waterford and Clare hurley carriers got yellow carded in the match yesterday).
All this ever does is lead to laughing amongst the supporters but nothing else. It is a futile exercise typical of the GAA (i.e. paying lip service to dealing with it, but it is fruitless having no impact on their team).
If for example, a team were to be deducted a point/score during the match for any offence which resulted in a yellow card, to a non playing back room team member or team official, I believe this would definitely improve behaviour on all touchlines and act as a real deterrent, offering more protection to the match officials and umpires.
Replying To LimerickandProud: "I have noted in the last number of games, deemed breaches of the rules by back room team members inside the fence resulting in yellow cards flashed (i.e. Paul Kinnerk for Limerick yellow carded versus Cork, and Brian Lohan as well as both the Waterford and Clare hurley carriers got yellow carded in the match yesterday).
All this ever does is lead to laughing amongst the supporters but nothing else. It is a futile exercise typical of the GAA (i.e. paying lip service to dealing with it, but it is fruitless having no impact on their team).
If for example, a team were to be deducted a point/score during the match for any offence which resulted in a yellow card, to a non playing back room team member or team official, I believe this would definitely improve behaviour on all touchlines and act as a real deterrent, offering more protection to the match officials and umpires.
What does everyone think?"
I don't think deducting a team is the answer to any of this. I'd do away with yellow/red cards for mentor infringement and send them straight to the stand. No second chances, just gone. There's far too much of it going on from management teams and hurley carriers etc. Davys behaviour yesterday was an absolute disgrace screaming into the refs face like that, he deserves a ban for it. Some of his players weren't much better, Stephen Bennett was sticking his beak into everything all throughout the game too and after he got substituted. GAA are far too lenient on this type of behaviour.
I agree that deducting a point from the scoreline wouldn't be an ideal solution.
Big difference in deducting a point in a high-scoring championship hurling game (e.g. Cork 3-28, Limerick 3-26) to deducting one in a low-scoring football match in bad conditions during the National League (e.g. Galway 0-9, Roscommon 0-9 back in February). It wouldn't be an even punishment.
You'd also have a situation where a water carrier getting a bit yappy could have a bigger impact on the result of a match than a dirty hit by a player which the referee didn't see properly, and where he issues only a yellow card instead of the red it should have got.
I also agree with the above poster that better would be to just go straight to a red card for any offence by the backroom team. Banish them to the stand for the rest of the game. It might not have any great impact on the match, but they'll soon learn, for their own sake.
Wouldn't agree with penalising teams but the individuals ought to be punished.
Crack like yesterday going after match officials only needs some loon of a fan to start throwing digs and you have potential public order incident. You would not be allowed carry on like that in a pub or a shop nor confront any other person doing their job in that way. Bad form.
Replying To Bon: "I don't think deducting a team is the answer to any of this. I'd do away with yellow/red cards for mentor infringement and send them straight to the stand. No second chances, just gone. There's far too much of it going on from management teams and hurley carriers etc. Davys behaviour yesterday was an absolute disgrace screaming into the refs face like that, he deserves a ban for it. Some of his players weren't much better, Stephen Bennett was sticking his beak into everything all throughout the game too and after he got substituted. GAA are far too lenient on this type of behaviour."
I agree Davy was wrong and not for the first time either. However he is passionate for his teams and there needs to be a forum for to ask a ref about his decision and vent your disagreement as sometimes the god in the middle makes a mistake or just gets it wrong. Does not apply the rules properly. The leveling score was illegal because of where it was struck from period. I would also agree about you with Stephen he is always yapping. Many high profile players were like that including Henry in his day. Bennett should have been up in the stand with the rest of the subs and zero business near the line. Davy reminisce with the ref need to be some where else and he should be dealt with. The Clare mentor who got involved with Fitz should receive the greatest sanction as that had nothing to do with the game but some personal vendetta.
Replying To Canuck: "I agree Davy was wrong and not for the first time either. However he is passionate for his teams and there needs to be a forum for to ask a ref about his decision and vent your disagreement as sometimes the god in the middle makes a mistake or just gets it wrong. Does not apply the rules properly. The leveling score was illegal because of where it was struck from period. I would also agree about you with Stephen he is always yapping. Many high profile players were like that including Henry in his day. Bennett should have been up in the stand with the rest of the subs and zero business near the line. Davy reminisce with the ref need to be some where else and he should be dealt with. The Clare mentor who got involved with Fitz should receive the greatest sanction as that had nothing to do with the game but some personal vendetta."
Of course Davy is passionate about his teams. Is there any manager out there who is not passionate? As another manager said some time ago when it was put to him about Davy being passionate: "We're all passionate about the game but we have other ways of showing it."
Replying To midlands: "Of course Davy is passionate about his teams. Is there any manager out there who is not passionate? As another manager said some time ago when it was put to him about Davy being passionate: "We're all passionate about the game but we have other ways of showing it.""
Replying To midlands: "Of course Davy is passionate about his teams. Is there any manager out there who is not passionate? As another manager said some time ago when it was put to him about Davy being passionate: "We're all passionate about the game but we have other ways of showing it.""