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Replying To katser:  "I got the yellow belly on the handicap +4"
How much did you have on Galway?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2565 - 26/05/2024 19:42:35    2547365

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "How much did you have on Galway?"
5 euro on Galway-4,Waterford and Wexford to win!
It doesn't matter anyway because the Wexford handicap and Southampton to be promoted 5/1 Double got me up.
Some Yorkshire Derby next year in Championship with Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United and Leeds United!!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2324 - 26/05/2024 20:00:53    2547380

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Replying To katser:  "5 euro on Galway-4,Waterford and Wexford to win!
It doesn't matter anyway because the Wexford handicap and Southampton to be promoted 5/1 Double got me up.
Some Yorkshire Derby next year in Championship with Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United and Leeds United!!!"
I lost a small bit overall, but had Dublin at 3/1.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2565 - 27/05/2024 07:37:41    2547431

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Replying To katser:  "5 euro on Galway-4,Waterford and Wexford to win!
It doesn't matter anyway because the Wexford handicap and Southampton to be promoted 5/1 Double got me up.
Some Yorkshire Derby next year in Championship with Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United and Leeds United!!!"
Your head should be in charge when one place bets.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4365 - 27/05/2024 09:28:19    2547461

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Absolutely ridiculous to relegate Carlow as they are making great strides. How this helps the sport beats me. It borders on discrimination as there are two non Leinster teams in the McCarty Cup next year and a Munster team who have done no better in their provincial championship.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2727 - 27/05/2024 12:31:36    2547586

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Replying To Canuck:  "Absolutely ridiculous to relegate Carlow as they are making great strides. How this helps the sport beats me. It borders on discrimination as there are two non Leinster teams in the McCarty Cup next year and a Munster team who have done no better in their provincial championship."
Yeah I think they need to look at it again.

Personally I'd prefer to see provisionals go back to knockout and have all Ireland qualifier groups like they did before.

Provincial winners to aisf, runners up aiqf and everyone else in the preliminary group.

You can have a qualifiers competiton in the League then for laois, Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath etc. for Liam McCarthy then.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2894 - 27/05/2024 13:15:33    2547619

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Yeah I think they need to look at it again.

Personally I'd prefer to see provisionals go back to knockout and have all Ireland qualifier groups like they did before.

Provincial winners to aisf, runners up aiqf and everyone else in the preliminary group.

You can have a qualifiers competiton in the League then for laois, Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath etc. for Liam McCarthy then."
That's what I've been thinking the last few years also Doyler.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12822 - 27/05/2024 16:32:33    2547712

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Yeah I think they need to look at it again.

Personally I'd prefer to see provisionals go back to knockout and have all Ireland qualifier groups like they did before.

Provincial winners to aisf, runners up aiqf and everyone else in the preliminary group.

You can have a qualifiers competiton in the League then for laois, Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath etc. for Liam McCarthy then."
100%. I was talking to a county board official who said there will be no further concessions by Leinster counties regarding championship structures. They've already extended to 6. If people want the game to spread, its up to everybody to find a structure that suits that agenda.
But I think the care in the Munster counties about Carlow, Antrim, Offaly, Laois, etc hovers around zero.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1201 - 27/05/2024 18:03:50    2547746

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Delighted at how Dublin performed yesterday, even though I was in Nowlan Park for family and geographical reasons!! I thought we had blew it v Kilkenny and that would be the end of it. I of little faith.
I can't wait to give Kilkenny another rattle now in the final, a big ask but not impossible. They didn't seem like world beaters yesterday but come a final Kilkenny are a different beast.
Crummey is playing the hurling of his life, 1-5 from Burke and all over the field Dublin had top performances. 14 different scorers. Incredibly proud of these men, hope we can finish the job now.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1201 - 27/05/2024 18:08:53    2547748

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Replying To Canuck:  "Absolutely ridiculous to relegate Carlow as they are making great strides. How this helps the sport beats me. It borders on discrimination as there are two non Leinster teams in the McCarty Cup next year and a Munster team who have done no better in their provincial championship."
The solution is to have relegation in Munster too. McDonagh winner into Munster, runner up Leinster.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2848 - 27/05/2024 18:30:31    2547755

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Yeah I think they need to look at it again.

Personally I'd prefer to see provisionals go back to knockout and have all Ireland qualifier groups like they did before.

Provincial winners to aisf, runners up aiqf and everyone else in the preliminary group.

You can have a qualifiers competiton in the League then for laois, Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath etc. for Liam McCarthy then."
The Munster championship is way too much of a cash cow the way it is. No way it will be changed. Also I love having games in Ennis

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2568 - 27/05/2024 19:27:32    2547774

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "The Munster championship is way too much of a cash cow the way it is. No way it will be changed. Also I love having games in Ennis"
I know what you mean. I love having games in Wexford too but you'd still have them in all Ireland qualifiers. Although the way I've suggested Clare would be going to QF or SF rather than the group.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2894 - 28/05/2024 07:56:59    2547809

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I know what you mean. I love having games in Wexford too but you'd still have them in all Ireland qualifiers. Although the way I've suggested Clare would be going to QF or SF rather than the group."
This is the point. These big matches would still happen in a provincial knock-out and then round robin. Its not as if they won't still be the same games because they are in an All-Ireland round robin.
The big issue I think is the GAA will look at the football qualifiers and say "is that what we want for hurling"? Because even the GAA don't care about the developing counties in hurling, once the tills keep rolling in Munster that is good enough.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1201 - 28/05/2024 10:46:08    2547859

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Delighted at how Dublin performed yesterday, even though I was in Nowlan Park for family and geographical reasons!! I thought we had blew it v Kilkenny and that would be the end of it. I of little faith.
I can't wait to give Kilkenny another rattle now in the final, a big ask but not impossible. They didn't seem like world beaters yesterday but come a final Kilkenny are a different beast.
Crummey is playing the hurling of his life, 1-5 from Burke and all over the field Dublin had top performances. 14 different scorers. Incredibly proud of these men, hope we can finish the job now."
A great result for Dublin and Dublin hurling in general, Crummey back is a massive positive and he's some warrior. Also Burke is having a great season. How Na Fianna could have done with him last year! A shout also for Sutcliffe, he's around a long time and always puts in a big shift.
Dublin should be confident going into the final, as they probably should have beaten KK in Parnell Park. Also, KK's win over Wexford was, as you rightly say, an average enough performance. All to play for..

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 28/05/2024 10:59:17    2547864

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The solution is to have relegation in Munster too. McDonagh winner into Munster, runner up Leinster."
That is nonsense also. What would it do for hurling to relegate Tipp or Waterford last year ? What would it do for the McDonagh cup to have Tipp go down there and slaughter them ? Relegation should be if a team finishes last three years in arrow. Promotion if you win the McDonagh three in row. If you do you are probable going to be somewhat competitive when promoted. If a team keeps up ending last in the McCarthy they are not good enough to compete. Both Carlow and Antrim given some more opportunity proved they canplay at the top if a little inconsistent. They certainly won't get better by relegating them. You might on a given year end up with an extra team in either competition but so what ?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2727 - 28/05/2024 14:57:08    2547932

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The solution is to have relegation in Munster too. McDonagh winner into Munster, runner up Leinster."
That is nonsense also. What would it do for hurling to relegate Tipp or Waterford last year ? What would it do for the McDonagh cup to have Tipp go down there and slaughter them ? Relegation should be if a team finishes last three years in arrow. Promotion if you win the McDonagh three in row. If you do you are probable going to be somewhat competitive when promoted. If a team keeps up ending last in the McCarthy they are not good enough to compete. Both Carlow and Antrim given some more opportunity proved they canplay at the top if a little inconsistent. They certainly won't get better by relegating them. You might on a given year end up with an extra team in either competition but so what ?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2727 - 28/05/2024 15:16:24    2547945

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Replying To Canuck:  "That is nonsense also. What would it do for hurling to relegate Tipp or Waterford last year ? What would it do for the McDonagh cup to have Tipp go down there and slaughter them ? Relegation should be if a team finishes last three years in arrow. Promotion if you win the McDonagh three in row. If you do you are probable going to be somewhat competitive when promoted. If a team keeps up ending last in the McCarthy they are not good enough to compete. Both Carlow and Antrim given some more opportunity proved they canplay at the top if a little inconsistent. They certainly won't get better by relegating them. You might on a given year end up with an extra team in either competition but so what ?"
Rubbish.
So lets say Laois and Offaly win the next 2 Joe McDonagh cups and Carlow were not relegated. Do you think it is fair to have an 8 team Leinster championship? When are you playing all these matches? And what will that do to the Leinster counties to have to play more matches against weaker opposition when they come up against Munster opposition?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1201 - 28/05/2024 15:45:02    2547957

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Replying To Canuck:  "That is nonsense also. What would it do for hurling to relegate Tipp or Waterford last year ? What would it do for the McDonagh cup to have Tipp go down there and slaughter them ? Relegation should be if a team finishes last three years in arrow. Promotion if you win the McDonagh three in row. If you do you are probable going to be somewhat competitive when promoted. If a team keeps up ending last in the McCarthy they are not good enough to compete. Both Carlow and Antrim given some more opportunity proved they canplay at the top if a little inconsistent. They certainly won't get better by relegating them. You might on a given year end up with an extra team in either competition but so what ?"
Offaly did reasonably well in the strongest section of league. With their young team and good underage structures a year in Munster, possibly and even probably losing every game well but maybe like Carlow and Antrim taking the odd scalp would surely do them good?

Likewise, an aging Tipp team could use McDonagh to regroup. And I say that as Tipp descended person. (I'd be bate to death if i proposed this to some of the relatives but there you go!)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2848 - 28/05/2024 15:46:07    2547958

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Two groups of 4 in Leinster

Kilkenny
Wexford
Antrim
Laois

Dublin
Galway
Carlow
Offaly

Top of each group to final

2nd in each group play off to progress to All Ireland

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 177 - 29/05/2024 10:20:21    2548081

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Two groups of 4 in Leinster

Kilkenny
Wexford
Antrim
Laois

Dublin
Galway
Carlow
Offaly

Top of each group to final

2nd in each group play off to progress to All Ireland"
If there are more teams there has to be more qualifying places.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2894 - 29/05/2024 10:36:33    2548094

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