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Replying To Viking66: "That's a bit strong Canuck. I don't think you were cheated out of a result. It was a 65. If it had of been waved wide then Clare would've been cheated out of a result though." What about the 65 in the first minute that would have ended up in the net if not put out and yere man deciding the Tipp game. Mistakes happen and it is too easy to say it evens out. It does not if bad decisions puts you in or out. There is no excuse for not making an attempt to corrrct errors how games are officiated. We were robbed yesterday. I don't know if you were there but the shots to the head, pulling around the neck in the first half was off the charts. He chose to let it go. Absolutely no consistency from game to game with these officials. Pay them and sack them instead of the big guys at head quarters. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2724 - 20/05/2024 11:03:12 2545795 Link
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Cheated???? Did the ref put the ball in your net 4 times? I thought if anything the ref gave ye soft frees all day. Long the penalty was very dubious considering the Waterford player was throwig himself to the ground before the tackle. Please also dont nit pick certain decisions. There was a blatent dive in the first half by a Waterford player where is faked head contact to win to a free that ye scored. I understand ye are frustrated as i feel we were there for the taking yesterday but ye couldnt do it and cant expect to win conceeding 4 goals and for that ye only have yourselves to blame not anyone else." Anyone who thinks that wasn't a penalty is myopic Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1554 - 20/05/2024 11:18:47 2545804 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I don't agree much with Davy or his antics. The umpire was wrong and made a guess. Had his hands ready to wave it wide. Then changed his mind. You have not mentioned the first 65 if the goalie did not put it wide would have gone in the net. The ref has a tough job but allowing these guys decide games is time out. Plenty of electronic ways to collect scores and a decisions like these need review." Can understand your frustration as Waterford played great stuff but the Umpire made the right call, De Burca probably could have shielded the ball out. To say you were "cheated" is unfair, Clare dug it out and played very well. It was a great game for the neutral. Play to that standard again next week and there is every chance you are going to trouble Limerick. Its going to be a nervy weekend for many of us. Any update on DOD, his loss at midfield has really been highlighted in the last few games. Middle third is far less fluid moving the ball without him. He always brought that bit of calm to the frenetic chaos of the middle third. Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 395 - 20/05/2024 11:27:53 2545811 Link
Replying To munsterchamps: "sundays match in thurles is a dangerous game for cork.......its well known that any team that goes to the wire with limerick takes a lot out of them and a few wks to recover. mentally and physicaly is last saturdays match going to leave cork flat. i think it will and am going to go with tipp by 2." Nice to see how people's match predictions were blown out the window. Nobody saw this performance from Cork coming. They're growing in confidence, and with any luck will feature in all Ireland competition. Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 261 - 20/05/2024 12:04:34 2545822 Link
I don't agree much with Davy or his antics. The umpire was wrong and made a guess. Had his hands ready to wave it wide. Then changed his mind. You have not mentioned the first 65 if the goalie did not put it wide would have gone in the net. The ref has a tough job but allowing these guys decide games is time out. Plenty of electronic ways to collect scores and a decisions like these need review. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2677 - 20/05/2024 10:40:54 The umpire guessed and got the decision right. Whatever magical technological solution would have come up with the same decision. It was the correct call. The referee didn't decide the game. Waterford got some questionable calls and Clare got some questionable calls. The same as in every hurling game ever played or ever will be played. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13754 - 20/05/2024 12:10:08 2545824 Link
Anyone who thinks that wasn't a penalty is myopic Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1516 - 20/05/2024 11:18:47 Completely neutral here and thought the Waterford penalty was certainly a questionable decision. It looked to me as if the Waterford forward dives into the contact. Falls under the 'seen them given' category. I wouldn't castigate the ref for giving the penalty nor would I castigate the ref if he had not given the penalty either. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13754 - 20/05/2024 12:12:58 2545826 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Anyone who thinks that wasn't a penalty is myopic" Watch it again. He was heading for the floor before any contact. Ryan didnt need to touch him after that and in the split second the ref had to make up his mind, it looked like to him that Ryan had sent him to the ground. I am not blaming the ref, I actually blame Ryan for following through but the Waterford player was on the way down before Ryan touched him LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2564 - 20/05/2024 12:13:45 2545827 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Nice to see how people's match predictions were blown out the window. Nobody saw this performance from Cork coming. They're growing in confidence, and with any luck will feature in all Ireland competition." I still wouldnt rule out a backlash from Tipeprary next week. Waterford were out last year and beat Tipperary in Thurles. That being said and I keep referring to the word logic but logically Clare should win with a bit to spare. But I was concerned with our energy levels in the second half yesterday. Dalo alluded to a stomach bug running (literally) through the Clare camp last week on his podcast. I hope our lack of energy was something to do with this. Logically as i said Clare shuld win but logic has been thrown out the window this year in the Munster and Leinster championship. Great to see Tony back and he popped up with a crucial score. I dont think he will start v Tipperary though but we need to get more of a handle around the middle of the field. We need McInerney back too. Tipperary though seem to be game enough but once their opponents up the tempo they are found seriously wanting and it does look like they threw in the towel against both Limerick and Cork. If we can up our instensity to that of the Cork match they wont beat us and I expect to win comfortably. If Limerick do the business against Waterford the Tipperary game is redundent as both Clare and Limerick will be in the Munster final again. This is exactly why it is a good idea to have the games run simulataneously as if Limerick beat Waterford and Clare play Tipperary next it would be a total dead rubber game. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2564 - 20/05/2024 12:47:44 2545848 Link
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Watch it again. He was heading for the floor before any contact. Ryan didnt need to touch him after that and in the split second the ref had to make up his mind, it looked like to him that Ryan had sent him to the ground. I am not blaming the ref, I actually blame Ryan for following through but the Waterford player was on the way down before Ryan touched him" Diarmuid is a fine player but a panicky type of defender at times at least Tony Kelly got a bit of game time Ian Galvin also Shans must be fuming also no time. I honestly think Aidan McCarthy doesn't offer enough to command 14 as much as he does. Dara Lohan took goal well and would have another if Fitzgerald wasn't so greedy but offered little else I believe Taylor will be fit for MF if we get there we need himself Keel and Davy Mac fully fi t clooney (Clare) - Posts: 934 - 20/05/2024 12:48:09 2545849 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Nice to see how people's match predictions were blown out the window. Nobody saw this performance from Cork coming. They're growing in confidence, and with any luck will feature in all Ireland competition." That's one persons prediction :) I think everyone in Limerick got to see first hand what ye are capable of and ye backed it up, Limerick took a long time to adjust to Corks sheer pace but Limerick did play much more on their terms in the second half. Teams need to sit deeper against Cork with half back midfield and half forward line pushing deeper and closer. This is Limericks default second half setup against most teams. If Cork get out they will take some stopping. Long way to go yet and nothing is guaranteed. Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 395 - 20/05/2024 12:50:17 2545850 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I don't agree much with Davy or his antics. The umpire was wrong and made a guess. Had his hands ready to wave it wide. Then changed his mind. You have not mentioned the first 65 if the goalie did not put it wide would have gone in the net. The ref has a tough job but allowing these guys decide games is time out. Plenty of electronic ways to collect scores and a decisions like these need review." I think the 65 at the end was the correct decision judging from the replay but how the hell the umpire missed that one in the first half is beyond me and he standing right beside it, it was so blatant, that's the type of mediocrity that needs calling out, if umpires can't get them decisions correct your at nothing . The same mickey mouse carry on cost limerick in 2019. Everybody saw it except the officials . Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1975 - 20/05/2024 13:24:17 2545858 Link
We need to get away from this idea in the GAA that a draw is a fair result. Too often when there is only a point between the teams or the sides are level the referee will play for a draw. I think the uproar from yesterday's game was that the umpire should have waved it wide cos it was a draw which would have been the wrong decision and everyone would have been happy. I think he saw de Burca hurley and had the decision right in his head but in the heat of the moment went to wave it wide and then corrected himself. journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 122 - 20/05/2024 14:28:02 2545875 Link
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I still wouldnt rule out a backlash from Tipeprary next week. Waterford were out last year and beat Tipperary in Thurles. That being said and I keep referring to the word logic but logically Clare should win with a bit to spare. But I was concerned with our energy levels in the second half yesterday. Dalo alluded to a stomach bug running (literally) through the Clare camp last week on his podcast. I hope our lack of energy was something to do with this. Logically as i said Clare shuld win but logic has been thrown out the window this year in the Munster and Leinster championship. Great to see Tony back and he popped up with a crucial score. I dont think he will start v Tipperary though but we need to get more of a handle around the middle of the field. We need McInerney back too. Tipperary though seem to be game enough but once their opponents up the tempo they are found seriously wanting and it does look like they threw in the towel against both Limerick and Cork. If we can up our instensity to that of the Cork match they wont beat us and I expect to win comfortably. If Limerick do the business against Waterford the Tipperary game is redundent as both Clare and Limerick will be in the Munster final again. This is exactly why it is a good idea to have the games run simulataneously as if Limerick beat Waterford and Clare play Tipperary next it would be a total dead rubber game." Playing final round group games at the same time, not so much a good idea as a necessity surely. Even FIFA and EUFA and Premier League etc figured that out years ago. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3598 - 20/05/2024 15:03:27 2545891 Link
Replying To Canuck: "The umpire did not have clue who put the ball out. He was going to wave it wide. Cusack is wrong this time. A terrible way to be possible knocked out. A square ball with Tipp. Now this umpire plus a blatant 65 in the first minute as the Clare goalie clearly put the ball wide. No discussion about that. Conceding four goals is bad but that does not mean you should be cheated out of a result." Cheated is such a poor term to use. Were Tipperary "cheated" out of a result when the referee obstructed their goal keepers line of sight for Waterfords penalty? LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2564 - 20/05/2024 15:14:01 2545899 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Whipping boys Munster are definitely not Waterford who took Clare close today. They missed Prunty badly. Limerick vs Waterford is intriguing next weekend… no draw please.if Waterford win, Limerick exit!" Not correct,if tipp and waterford win,clare are out,Limerick are plus +16,Cork +15 and clare even I think. cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 780 - 20/05/2024 15:23:37 2545905 Link
One interesting issue again raising its head is refereeing consistency. Compare and Contrast the foul by kyle hayes on shane Kingston that resulted in a black card and a penalty to the one yesterday after 3 mins by sean o donohue of cork v tipp, yc and 21 yard free. If one merited a black card and a penalty should the 2nd one in this instance ? Knockfiarna (Limerick) - Posts: 12 - 20/05/2024 15:38:16 2545911 Link
Replying To Knockfiarna: "One interesting issue again raising its head is refereeing consistency. Compare and Contrast the foul by kyle hayes on shane Kingston that resulted in a black card and a penalty to the one yesterday after 3 mins by sean o donohue of cork v tipp, yc and 21 yard free. If one merited a black card and a penalty should the 2nd one in this instance ?" The timing of such tackles plays on a refs mind, for example you are unlikely to get one very early in the game which is wrong of course. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2564 - 20/05/2024 17:07:02 2545936 Link
I understand that Limerick Waterford is to be shown live next week but no TV coverage for Clare v Tipperary or GAA coverage for that matter. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2564 - 20/05/2024 17:08:37 2545939 Link
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I understand that Limerick Waterford is to be shown live next week but no TV coverage for Clare v Tipperary or GAA coverage for that matter." Clare v Tipp is foregone conclusion.....if Clare can't beat Tipp come on now! Majority want to watch Waterford "knock" limrik out of the Championship! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2324 - 20/05/2024 17:22:59 2545947 Link
Replying To Knockfiarna: "One interesting issue again raising its head is refereeing consistency. Compare and Contrast the foul by kyle hayes on shane Kingston that resulted in a black card and a penalty to the one yesterday after 3 mins by sean o donohue of cork v tipp, yc and 21 yard free. If one merited a black card and a penalty should the 2nd one in this instance ?" Yes, and Sean Stack who gave it last weekend was the very linesman yesterday who seemed to indicate to the ref not to give a penalty or a black card. They had a good chat anyway before the decision was made. It'd be interesting to quiz Stack on why he felt one was and the other one wasn't! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2008 - 20/05/2024 18:11:45 2545967 Link