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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "What were the GAA thinking about by making the group draws before the provincial finals… and I don't buy this nonsense of giving teams time to prepare… that's horse d..g… yet another GAA cock up… can they even get the simplest of things right…?"
Its actually crazy, calling it common sense to do it after the provincials is an overstatement, what is there reasoning like?

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 138 - 01/05/2024 10:40:30    2542178

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Replying To yew_tree:  "If it's Mayo v Dublin how about Hyde Park as a neutral venue? No chance. GAA will want maximum profit and that fixture will be in Croke Park."
No chance?

Dublin played their home game in Croker last year in the group and were on the road for their two other games.

The only way the hypothetical Mayo/Dublin neutral game would be in Croker would be if Mayo wanted it to be.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 01/05/2024 11:27:07    2542190

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "If they don't beat Limerick in their next game they will be the team watching all the other teams in the hurling championship on tv…."
Yeah I agree.I really fancied Cork hurlers to do well this year.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 01/05/2024 11:38:44    2542196

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To tell you the truth I've given up on anything been done in this country that involves common sense or basic intelligence
Why have the draws for the All Ireland groups before the provincial finals?? 3 teams qualifying form groups of 4 is another joke.
The dogs dinner of a football schedule is another joke, the 2nd tier competition is looked down on so much it's hardly worth playing, the only benefit of winning it is you get into the Sam Maguire the next season to get walloped.
A straight 32 county open draw knockout Sam Maguire competition would be much more exciting instead of the slow death by a thousand cuts shambles it's become.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 01/05/2024 11:55:48    2542202

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Belmullet to Roscommon 161km
Dublin to Riscommon 155km"
I think we (if it is us) are due a "neutral" game in a Connacht venue. Roscommon very easy get to for the Dubs…it's only 25mins off the motorway in Athlone. Just been told that the main man at the CCC is a Roscommon man so watch this space.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 01/05/2024 12:33:43    2542216

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Interesting post. As Dublin are playing all their Leinster championship games in Croke Park and will also play their first qualifier game against Roscommon in Croke Park, surely the Gaa would not schedule the NEUTRAL venue for the Dublin match against the Connacht losers ( Mayo / Galway) for Croke Park again. They will lose all credibility if they do so. Its a long way from Belmullet to Croke Park, for example.
I would think a lot of Dublin supporters would also like another day out / weekend away on 15th/16th June."
Why would they do that? they never done it before. Neutral game last year was not in CP, nor will it be this year.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2577 - 01/05/2024 12:39:22    2542217

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If I was Mayo, I'd much rather a crack at the Dubs in the group stages thereby losing on Sunday v Galway.

You get a crack at the Dubs in final game of group stage in neutral venue (if the GAA call Croke Park neutral, they should be shot)
Win and you are into quarter finals and put Dublin into prelims where they would
A) end up playing potentially Derry or Kerry in quarter final and a fair chance they get the 3rd team from group 1 in a prelim would could mean a tough game v Galway, Derry or Donegal/Armagh first.
B) That would mean Dublin cannot play Mayo in quarter final knockout game and it would also reduce risk of Mayo drawing Derry or Kerry in quarter final too as Group 1 has two big games whereas Dublin group will have two winnable games v Rossies and Cavan (not gimmes but easier)

Lose and its not curtains and again you cannot get Dublin again in quarter final. Worst case scenario is Derry or Kerry in quarters.

Percentage play would be get them when its not all on the line in Croke Park.

shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 202 - 01/05/2024 12:59:54    2542230

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Why would they do that? they never done it before. Neutral game last year was not in CP, nor will it be this year."
I think people are making the point because during the first run of the Super 8s in 2018 & 2019, Dublin played their neutral game and home game in Croke Park. So it's not as if the GAA haven't done it before.

Yes it didn't happen last year during the new format, so one can assume it won't happen again.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 206 - 01/05/2024 13:08:48    2542234

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In the current championship format, the provincial draws should be after the league. Use the league for seeding the provincial draws. Sligo last year would then have had Galway or Mayo on their side of the draw.
If GAA HQ persist with provincial runners-up qualifying, provincial runners-up should be seeded by league ranking. Clare last year for example would have been Seed 4 instead. Mayo would have been Seed 2 instead.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 01/05/2024 18:24:33    2542318

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "To tell you the truth I've given up on anything been done in this country that involves common sense or basic intelligence
Why have the draws for the All Ireland groups before the provincial finals?? 3 teams qualifying form groups of 4 is another joke.
The dogs dinner of a football schedule is another joke, the 2nd tier competition is looked down on so much it's hardly worth playing, the only benefit of winning it is you get into the Sam Maguire the next season to get walloped.
A straight 32 county open draw knockout Sam Maguire competition would be much more exciting instead of the slow death by a thousand cuts shambles it's become."
The Tailteann Cup has been a great addition. For counties with smaller populations or those who would have usually exited the qualifiers in round one or two it can only be a positive thing. Sure look at Down or Kildare who may see themselves above it but for counties like a Fermanagh for instance- winning an all island competition would be huge. Or a county like Antrim last year that got to the semi- finals or Sligo the year before. That gave those teams and fans something to really savour and but for a break of the ball they could have been in the final.

I agree with the 3 teams going through. I can some logic or idea in that there really shouldn't be any dead rubbers as someone should always have something to play for (3rd place or top place and an automatic entry to Q/Final). However the lack of jeopardy is a real issue. But then we have to balance whether the lack of jeopardy is better than a weekend full of dead rubbers where loads of teams have nothing to play for. Personally I prefer just top two go through.

As for the draw it was nonsensical to do it this week. Utterly bizarre. Wait a week and it would have been so much cleaner.

Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 159 - 01/05/2024 19:56:14    2542336

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "To tell you the truth I've given up on anything been done in this country that involves common sense or basic intelligence
Why have the draws for the All Ireland groups before the provincial finals?? 3 teams qualifying form groups of 4 is another joke.
The dogs dinner of a football schedule is another joke, the 2nd tier competition is looked down on so much it's hardly worth playing, the only benefit of winning it is you get into the Sam Maguire the next season to get walloped.
A straight 32 county open draw knockout Sam Maguire competition would be much more exciting instead of the slow death by a thousand cuts shambles it's become."
I hear you, but I'd go one further and start the Division 3 and 4 leagues 1 week before Division 2, and Division 1 a week later. Then open draw between 3 and 4 teams with the winners in an open draw with Division 2 teams and so on. All neutral venues until semi finals. It leaves the lower counties getting more football .

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2016 - 01/05/2024 20:01:46    2542337

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Replying To hyperache:  "I think people are making the point because during the first run of the Super 8s in 2018 & 2019, Dublin played their neutral game and home game in Croke Park. So it's not as if the GAA haven't done it before.

Yes it didn't happen last year during the new format, so one can assume it won't happen again."
It's NOT the Super 8s. Dublin did NOT have a neutral game in CP last year. They will NOT have a neutral game in CP this,year.

People can assume anything they wish. It does not make it so.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2577 - 01/05/2024 20:38:45    2542343

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