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Replying To Tiger1: "We will see and if they do its backwards we are going and i dont think we are so lets see." You did think we were too good to lose to Antrim. You probably thought Kilkenny were too good to draw with Carlow too. I think you are missing the whole point of sport in general and why so many people watch it- nothing is absolutely impossible or certain. Every so often there are shocks. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12847 - 07/06/2024 17:59:53 2550072 Link
Replying To Viking66: "You did think we were too good to lose to Antrim. You probably thought Kilkenny were too good to draw with Carlow too. I think you are missing the whole point of sport in general and why so many people watch it- nothing is absolutely impossible or certain. Every so often there are shocks." I know there shocks viking i just think they will be the results you urself said weeks ago u were more worried about the carlow game than the Kilkenny game i mean come on did you seriously think that or were u just messing coz we hammered Carlow as most people knew we would. Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 277 - 07/06/2024 21:44:05 2550095 Link
Replying To Tiger1: "I know there shocks viking i just think they will be the results you urself said weeks ago u were more worried about the carlow game than the Kilkenny game i mean come on did you seriously think that or were u just messing coz we hammered Carlow as most people knew we would." Obviously we were red hot favourites to hammer Carlow. Just as were in the 2 Westmeath games rhe last 2 years and the Antrim game this year. That's the whole point. Of all the top hurling counties we can perform comfortably the worst when playing tier 2 counties. And in a way its a situation that can be self continuing, because tier 2 counties will obviously target counties who can be inconsistent. Like us. So they will play harder, and usually give us a harder game than other they do other tier one counties, with the exception of Carlow, who might have beaten Kilkenny had that game gone on for another few minutes. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12847 - 07/06/2024 22:18:35 2550104 Link
Congratulations to Offaly! A good final. Hard luck to Laois. Good intensity in the game. The McDonagh level benefitted this year from Offaly, Laois and Westmeath at a good level. Despite beating Westmeath, Kerry were a bit off it but going through transition. Carlow, Laois and Westmeath should bring a good intensity to next year's McDonagh. When Leinster was exciting this year and the McDonagh is competitive as always, the right balance seems to be there already. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 08/06/2024 17:24:41 2550195 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Congratulations to Offaly! A good final. Hard luck to Laois. Good intensity in the game. The McDonagh level benefitted this year from Offaly, Laois and Westmeath at a good level. Despite beating Westmeath, Kerry were a bit off it but going through transition. Carlow, Laois and Westmeath should bring a good intensity to next year's McDonagh. When Leinster was exciting this year and the McDonagh is competitive as always, the right balance seems to be there already." I feel bad for Carlow - time to expand Lein with two groups of 5 - incl Carlow, Offaly, Laois and two more. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 08/06/2024 18:21:06 2550201 Link
Good final in fairness, neck and neck as predicted, think Laois will be kicking themselves tho with all their wides, even the few at the end could have brought it to a draw. Bigjoe1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 45 - 08/06/2024 20:11:23 2550220 Link
The preliminary quarter-finals are as follows: Offaly v Cork Laois v Wexford It is tough on both McD finalists to be out again a week after. Some are suggesting the McD winner only should be entering the All-Ireland series. Are third in Munster Leinster currently getting enough jeopardy? An alternative approach would be the McD winner to host a provincial runner-up in one quarter-final. The winner of Munster 3rd v Leinster 3rd to travel away to the provincial runner-up of the other province. If the McD winner direct to the quarter-final is a step too far, Munster 3rd v Leinster 3rd could playoff on the same weekend as the provincial finals. The winner going on to the quarter-finals, the loser playing away to the McD winner in one preliminary quarter-final. Example: SATURDAY JUNE 8TH McD final: Offaly v Laois Leinster final: Kilkenny v Dublin SUNDAY JUNE 9TH All-Ireland playoff: Cork v Wexford Munster final: Limerick v Clare SATURDAY JUNE 15TH All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-final: Offaly v loser of Cork v Wexford SATURDAY JUNE 22ND All-Ireland Quarter-finals: Dublin v Cork or Offaly Limerick or Clare v Wexford or Offaly NOTES: Offaly would have 7 days and home advantage for the preliminary quarter-final. The loser of Cork v Wexford would have six days and away from home. Throws in the bit of jeopardy and banana skin. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 09/06/2024 14:15:15 2550314 Link
Replying To omahant: "I feel bad for Carlow - time to expand Lein with two groups of 5 - incl Carlow, Offaly, Laois and two more." Great game on Saturday. Well done to Offaly and hard luck Laois. I agree both should have the opportunity to contest Leinster championship. I think a 10 team championship would lead to too many one sided fixtures and score difference would need to be scrapped to protect the weaker teams. 2 four team groups with top 2 progressing to semi finals and bottom teams play relegation final. The losing semifinalists play each other to progress to All Ireland series Maybe some reward for 3rd place teams after a playoff. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 962 - 10/06/2024 13:36:15 2550563 Link
Replying To Westfester: "Great game on Saturday. Well done to Offaly and hard luck Laois. I agree both should have the opportunity to contest Leinster championship. I think a 10 team championship would lead to too many one sided fixtures and score difference would need to be scrapped to protect the weaker teams. 2 four team groups with top 2 progressing to semi finals and bottom teams play relegation final. The losing semifinalists play each other to progress to All Ireland series Maybe some reward for 3rd place teams after a playoff." The hurling structure is simple but very much affective, Kildare winning the Ring cup is a big step forward, to contest the final of the J Mc Donagh is not impossible for us so I believe we will be all revved up for it. The one concern I might have is the fear of it getting congested with games at a glance a few of them may be unnecessary. One other concern i have is should Offaly be threatened with relegated like Carlow did after the first year will there be a safety net put in place to stop it happening, I think there should. Congrads to Offaly, Commiseration's to Laois Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 278 - 10/06/2024 21:43:56 2550691 Link
All-Ireland SHC preliminary quarter-finals Offaly v Cork, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 5.15pm Laois v Wexford, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 5pm Cork and Wexford are the obvious favourites. Laois possibly have a better chance of pulling off an upset. It is a good test for both Offaly and Laois though. An eye opener on the gap. It is better than 5 years of McDonagh Cup games only. A potential banana skin for their opponents who have eyes on Clare and Dublin. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 15/06/2024 12:06:52 2551575 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "All-Ireland SHC preliminary quarter-finals Offaly v Cork, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 5.15pm Laois v Wexford, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 5pm Cork and Wexford are the obvious favourites. Laois possibly have a better chance of pulling off an upset. It is a good test for both Offaly and Laois though. An eye opener on the gap. It is better than 5 years of McDonagh Cup games only. A potential banana skin for their opponents who have eyes on Clare and Dublin." Do I take it from your post you find the Mc D cup less than impressive. We are looking forward to it in '25. I believe it will be seriously competitive. We are confident we will contribute to it with promise. Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 278 - 15/06/2024 14:13:51 2551601 Link
Replying To Cuhullain: "Do I take it from your post you find the Mc D cup less than impressive. We are looking forward to it in '25. I believe it will be seriously competitive. We are confident we will contribute to it with promise." Not at all. The McD Cup is very competitive. Getting a game against a genuine top tier opponent is an eye opener though. I enjoyed the visit of Wexford to Tralee two years ago despite the result. The covid championships prevented Kerry having more of those in 2020 and 2021. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 15/06/2024 15:24:29 2551614 Link
Cork and Wexford march on as expected. Offaly and Laois can take the lessons learned. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 15/06/2024 22:00:04 2551730 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Cork and Wexford march on as expected. Offaly and Laois can take the lessons learned." Offaly did well and lets be fair to Laois its a joke playing a top team 7 days after the heartache of losing a national final to your biggest rivals.Mcdonagh is a great competition and I think Offaly can go well in Leinster next year. Next year we have Carlow,Laois,Westmeath,Down,Kerry and Kildare all counties with more football than hurling but who are making massive efforts to improve our hurling but receive the same help from Croke Park as Kilkenny who ban football and the likes of Roscommon,Tyrone and Cavan who do nothing for hurling. jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1505 - 16/06/2024 07:59:07 2551768 Link
Replying To jobber: "Offaly did well and lets be fair to Laois its a joke playing a top team 7 days after the heartache of losing a national final to your biggest rivals.Mcdonagh is a great competition and I think Offaly can go well in Leinster next year. Next year we have Carlow,Laois,Westmeath,Down,Kerry and Kildare all counties with more football than hurling but who are making massive efforts to improve our hurling but receive the same help from Croke Park as Kilkenny who ban football and the likes of Roscommon,Tyrone and Cavan who do nothing for hurling." To be brief the game of hurling while it's not perfect it's in a much better place than that of football, hurling overall is structured better and simpler. There is very little between the J.Mc Donagh cup teams and the top flight, likewise there's little difference between the Ring cup and the Mc Donagh cup although admittedly a couple of minor tweaks still needed. Football is over structured yet I think it needs another couple of tiers, the qualifying route appears to be sort of index linked and a little bit complicated or so it appears The Mc Donagh cup counties are slowly but surely reaching parity with those in the top flight. Improving trends can be seen in the Rackard and Meaghar cup counties as well. . Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 278 - 22/06/2024 21:56:05 2553802 Link
Replying To jobber: "Offaly did well and lets be fair to Laois its a joke playing a top team 7 days after the heartache of losing a national final to your biggest rivals.Mcdonagh is a great competition and I think Offaly can go well in Leinster next year. Next year we have Carlow,Laois,Westmeath,Down,Kerry and Kildare all counties with more football than hurling but who are making massive efforts to improve our hurling but receive the same help from Croke Park as Kilkenny who ban football and the likes of Roscommon,Tyrone and Cavan who do nothing for hurling." " ...as Kilkenny who ban football" What? I really can't understand why anyone would say this, it's absolute nonsense. Football is banned in Kilkenny? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2569 - 22/06/2024 22:16:43 2553821 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "" ...as Kilkenny who ban football" What? I really can't understand why anyone would say this, it's absolute nonsense. Football is banned in Kilkenny?" Show me the football being played in Kilkenny.The senior hurlers preparing for an all Ireland semi final,The minors a final so an ideal time for fooball league and championship.Find me 1 football fixture on Kilkenny's website. jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1505 - 22/06/2024 23:02:47 2553853 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "" ...as Kilkenny who ban football" What? I really can't understand why anyone would say this, it's absolute nonsense. Football is banned in Kilkenny?" When was the football championship played in Kilkenny? When did they last have a team at underage in Leinster? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1426 - 23/06/2024 15:54:10 2554039 Link
Replying To jobber: "Show me the football being played in Kilkenny.The senior hurlers preparing for an all Ireland semi final,The minors a final so an ideal time for fooball league and championship.Find me 1 football fixture on Kilkenny's website." Here you are: Thursday 27th Jun 2024 CENTAL U18 FOOTBALL GROUP 2 Round 1 Michael Davitts v Railyard GFC 19:30 Saturday 29th Jun 2024 Region 7 Group 2 Round 2 Railyard GFC TBC Grattan Gaels Region 6 Group 1 Round 1 Barrow Rangers TBC Lancashire Division 4 Claregalway Group 1 Round 111:30 Dicksboro St John's Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2569 - 23/06/2024 17:29:18 2554063 Link
Replying To oneoff: "When was the football championship played in Kilkenny? When did they last have a team at underage in Leinster?" Here you are: Thursday 16th May 2024 JJ Kavanagh And Sons Senior Football Championship FOD Senior Football County Final Dicksboro 1-9 Lisdowney 1-6 Venue: Canon Kearns Park Referee: Eamon Larkin Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2569 - 23/06/2024 17:39:08 2554068 Link