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Meath Club Hurling Season 2024

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Replying To PatrickTopping:  "Well ParcT you seem to be new to the Meath Hurling scene, funny you say that BHG would be relegation contenders in 2024 after Topping Senior B table & making a SHC Q-Final 2023. Compared to Longwood who should be plying their trade at Intermediate 2024 only for Kildalkey's 2nd team couldnt make the jump up to Senior."
Not very new to club scene but you only have top look at the and their groups and you would have a fair idea of whos who in the ranking order

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 30/09/2024 12:55:08    2572530

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Replying To RR:  "SHC
Trim vs Kildalkey - could be an absolute classic on our hands. Trim the ever so slight favourites but Kildalkey will be hell bent on hanging on to at least one of the treble and this is their last chance. Trim by 2 AET
Ratoath vs Kilmessan - agree with your fine self that there's definitely a Jubilee in it for this Kilmessan panel, I just don't think it's this year. Ratoath by 4

IHC
Drumree vs Don/Ash - another tricky one to call. drumree, as mentioned before, battered Ashbourne in a round Robin game with an extra man but had everything to play for while Ashbourne were already throigh. Ashbourne have looked battle hardened all through, even in defeat to both Navan and Drumree. The big thing if they are able to stop Drumree getting 20+ points, because they won't be able to put up that number themselves if not. I'm leaning towards Drumree by 6.

Rathmolyon vs Navan - belter again. Have heard from Rathmolyon camp that there is a serious hunger to get back to senior and that if it's not this year it'll be next year. They're very confidence. NOM will be able to keep pace with them so it'll come down to accuracy. Hopefully we don't get a free fest. Going for NOM by 1 AET"
open top bus cancelled for the 13th time in Rathmolyon

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 30/09/2024 12:57:03    2572532

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So Dunboyne are an intermediate hurling team for the first time since 1999. Crazy for a town (longtime since a village) their size.

Whats going on with hurling over there? Could it be a chance to press reset - blood some of the successful minors. Fair play to BHG, they always play to their strengths.

Trim V Ratoath - You'd have to imagine that Trim will be strong favourites

NOM V Drumree - The makings of a classic as both teams have serious firepower.

Roll on two weeks !!

bountyboy22 (USA) - Posts: 36 - 30/09/2024 14:48:05    2572561

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Replying To ParcT:  "Not very new to club scene but you only have top look at the and their groups and you would have a fair idea of whos who in the ranking order"
Sorry i cant understand what you're saying. Can you tell me again.

PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 30/09/2024 14:58:30    2572564

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Replying To PatrickTopping:  "Sorry i cant understand what you're saying. Can you tell me again."
apologies didn't check my typing, so around the hurling scene a few years after been away for a few years, if you watch the teams play you can judge their ranking and have a fair idea where teams will end up,

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 30/09/2024 15:36:56    2572572

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Replying To ParcT:  "apologies didn't check my typing, so around the hurling scene a few years after been away for a few years, if you watch the teams play you can judge their ranking and have a fair idea where teams will end up,"
I can't understand your logic, so from watching teams last year you make the prediction of BHG dropping down to Intermediate after wins against Kilmessan, Longwood & Dunderry & eventually topping the Group & making a Quater Final.

As you said "from the start of the year" & not just at the end of the 2025.

PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 02/10/2024 09:38:50    2572759

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Replying To PatrickTopping:  "I can't understand your logic, so from watching teams last year you make the prediction of BHG dropping down to Intermediate after wins against Kilmessan, Longwood & Dunderry & eventually topping the Group & making a Quater Final.

As you said "from the start of the year" & not just at the end of the 2025."
known the team, the championship structure and the groups i could nothing only BGH at the bottom of their group in 2024, however they survived relegation against Dunboyne, had a new manager at the start of the year who walked after 2 months and i think the replacement walked as well

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 02/10/2024 14:02:28    2572787

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Lets move on lads and agree every team outside the top 4 or 5 are intermediate standard and the gap is getting bigger.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 02/10/2024 15:44:04    2572803

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Is a restructure possible this year to lessen the teams in each grade.Ideallly would be best for Meath hurling if we went with the below.

Senior-8 teams
Intermediate - 8 teams
Junior -8 teams
Junior A -8 teams
Junior B - 8 teams
Junior C - 8 teams

Two groups of 4 in each grade. Top two semis, bottom two relegation. All teams equal standard which makes for more competitive games which should help improve the standard across the county.
Every other county at our level has roughly 5-8 senior club hurling teams and their club hurling seems to be at a better standard than ours.

Keepthehighballlow (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 02/10/2024 23:05:30    2572848

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Replying To Keepthehighballlow:  "Is a restructure possible this year to lessen the teams in each grade.Ideallly would be best for Meath hurling if we went with the below.

Senior-8 teams
Intermediate - 8 teams
Junior -8 teams
Junior A -8 teams
Junior B - 8 teams
Junior C - 8 teams

Two groups of 4 in each grade. Top two semis, bottom two relegation. All teams equal standard which makes for more competitive games which should help improve the standard across the county.
Every other county at our level has roughly 5-8 senior club hurling teams and their club hurling seems to be at a better standard than ours."
name the 8 senior and 8 intermediate that you see, bare in mind the qtr finals we had this year in senior,

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 03/10/2024 13:22:16    2572899

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Replying To ParcT:  "name the 8 senior and 8 intermediate that you see, bare in mind the qtr finals we had this year in senior,"
Great point ParcT.

We would still have one sided games with an 8 team championship. You'd still be including Kilyon who reached a q final (lost by a cricket score v kilmessan and lost by 15 & 25 points v kiltale & ratoath in the group stages).
You could probably say the same for CnaG to a lesser extent.

Our SHC group games are essentially just a seeding exercise for knockouts. Better off calling it a league.

We then have a 6 team SHC A and 6 Team SHC B, same for the IHC. Our cups are essentially 6 team competitions.

Overall I think the new format is a success and should be left in place for another year or two at least. Only gripe is that the SHC B winners should represent Meath in the Leinster JHC.

begining (UK) - Posts: 311 - 03/10/2024 16:07:45    2572920

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Replying To begining:  "Great point ParcT.

We would still have one sided games with an 8 team championship. You'd still be including Kilyon who reached a q final (lost by a cricket score v kilmessan and lost by 15 & 25 points v kiltale & ratoath in the group stages).
You could probably say the same for CnaG to a lesser extent.

Our SHC group games are essentially just a seeding exercise for knockouts. Better off calling it a league.

We then have a 6 team SHC A and 6 Team SHC B, same for the IHC. Our cups are essentially 6 team competitions.

Overall I think the new format is a success and should be left in place for another year or two at least. Only gripe is that the SHC B winners should represent Meath in the Leinster JHC."
current format has produced anything between 10 and 15 point average winning margins in the senior championship, is that what success looks like ?

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 03/10/2024 16:30:24    2572924

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Replying To begining:  "Great point ParcT.

We would still have one sided games with an 8 team championship. You'd still be including Kilyon who reached a q final (lost by a cricket score v kilmessan and lost by 15 & 25 points v kiltale & ratoath in the group stages).
You could probably say the same for CnaG to a lesser extent.

Our SHC group games are essentially just a seeding exercise for knockouts. Better off calling it a league.

We then have a 6 team SHC A and 6 Team SHC B, same for the IHC. Our cups are essentially 6 team competitions.

Overall I think the new format is a success and should be left in place for another year or two at least. Only gripe is that the SHC B winners should represent Meath in the Leinster JHC."
But sure kilmessan were bet by 10 points and were lucky to keep it to that and kildalkey well bet aswell with only a lucky goal keeping them in it. Kiltale also well bet in 1/4 final. Killyon and longwood are 1 parish and mange to produce 2 senior teams. Id like to see how competitive ratoath and trim were if they were split in 2.

I've been to county board meetings and the reason for not reducing the various competitions to lessor number of teams is that the hurling board fear is that the fixtures committee will then take those weekends for football when they are not used for hurling.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 03/10/2024 16:50:35    2572931

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Replying To begining:  "Great point ParcT.

We would still have one sided games with an 8 team championship. You'd still be including Kilyon who reached a q final (lost by a cricket score v kilmessan and lost by 15 & 25 points v kiltale & ratoath in the group stages).
You could probably say the same for CnaG to a lesser extent.

Our SHC group games are essentially just a seeding exercise for knockouts. Better off calling it a league.

We then have a 6 team SHC A and 6 Team SHC B, same for the IHC. Our cups are essentially 6 team competitions.

Overall I think the new format is a success and should be left in place for another year or two at least. Only gripe is that the SHC B winners should represent Meath in the Leinster JHC."
Senior
Trim,Ratoath,Kildalkey,Kilmessan,Kiltale,Killoyn,Na Fianna,Longwood

Intermediate
CNG,Dunderry,BHG,Dunboyne,Navan,Drumree, Rathmoylon,Ashbourne or Moylagh/Kilskrye.

4 semi finalists from previous year get seeded so they can't all be in the same group the following year.

Not as many hammering in the group stages this way.
Dunboyne, BHG and Dunderry took some serious hammerings this year + 25 points on 2 occasions for each of them. How is this good for any team involved in these games? It would actually turn younger lads away from staying involved and playing for these teams that are taking these hammerings.

Keepthehighballlow (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 03/10/2024 23:29:37    2572976

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Replying To Rickoshay:  "But sure kilmessan were bet by 10 points and were lucky to keep it to that and kildalkey well bet aswell with only a lucky goal keeping them in it. Kiltale also well bet in 1/4 final. Killyon and longwood are 1 parish and mange to produce 2 senior teams. Id like to see how competitive ratoath and trim were if they were split in 2.

I've been to county board meetings and the reason for not reducing the various competitions to lessor number of teams is that the hurling board fear is that the fixtures committee will then take those weekends for football when they are not used for hurling."
Is the parish of trim not already split in two? I.e Trim and Boardsmill!
So quit that b.s about Longwood and Killyon. Killyon have always competed well at senior.

There should only be max 6 senior teams in Meath.
Trim Kildalkey Ratoath and then there is a growing gap to kiltale. Kilmessan are teaching kiltale's level but have a long way to go to catch top 3. In struggling to pick a team capable of competing or beating them 5 for 6th spot! Na fianna if got there act together

But how good would the senior B/Intermediate be if it was just the main competition from the start? A lot of teams on even playing fields

Meathgaalad (Meath) - Posts: 171 - 04/10/2024 00:16:26    2572977

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Replying To ParcT:  "current format has produced anything between 10 and 15 point average winning margins in the senior championship, is that what success looks like ?"
You get that in every county.

Compare the winning margins to our neighbors:

-Dublin SHC Q finals last weekend. Average winning margin was 13 points across the 4 games.
-Kildare championship is a joke. Naas first and second teams winning every game by 30+
-Westmeath. 4 teams way above the rest. Unless these teams are playing each other all games are hammerings

Our SHC is more competitive than most with I think 5/6 teams this year in with a realistic opportunity of winning it. I'd call the emergence of Kilmessan this year as a success of the new format. Longwood seemed to benefit from it too, going well in the B and put up a great display against Ratoath in the group stages.

begining (UK) - Posts: 311 - 04/10/2024 09:57:32    2573004

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Replying To begining:  "You get that in every county.

Compare the winning margins to our neighbors:

-Dublin SHC Q finals last weekend. Average winning margin was 13 points across the 4 games.
-Kildare championship is a joke. Naas first and second teams winning every game by 30+
-Westmeath. 4 teams way above the rest. Unless these teams are playing each other all games are hammerings

Our SHC is more competitive than most with I think 5/6 teams this year in with a realistic opportunity of winning it. I'd call the emergence of Kilmessan this year as a success of the new format. Longwood seemed to benefit from it too, going well in the B and put up a great display against Ratoath in the group stages."
5/6 teams with a chance of winning the senior, i have to ask what games you were watching, outside Ratoath, Trim and Kildalkey i don't see anyone withing 10 pints of these 3, so your giving Kilmessan, Na Fianna and Longwood a realistic shout, is that what your saying ???????

ParcT (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 04/10/2024 13:05:33    2573023

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Replying To ParcT:  "5/6 teams with a chance of winning the senior, i have to ask what games you were watching, outside Ratoath, Trim and Kildalkey i don't see anyone withing 10 pints of these 3, so your giving Kilmessan, Na Fianna and Longwood a realistic shout, is that what your saying ???????"
I think Kildalkey, Trim and Ratoath are evenly matched. Although Kildalkey looked way off trim last weekend and in the group game, definitely gone back since last year.

IMO Kilmessan and Kiltale would be seen as contenders. Both clubs had injuries/suspensions to key players for the business end of the championship. In the group stages Kilmessan winning v Trim and Kiltale drawing with Ratoath would suggest on a given day they could take one of the above..

So that's your 5 teams. I think at a push you could include Na Fianna in that. Decimated this year (and last) with injuries and Devine was a big loss to a J1 so hard to know where they're at. It wouldn't surprise anyone if they got it together and made a final.

begining (UK) - Posts: 311 - 04/10/2024 16:49:07    2573072

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Replying To begining:  "I think Kildalkey, Trim and Ratoath are evenly matched. Although Kildalkey looked way off trim last weekend and in the group game, definitely gone back since last year.

IMO Kilmessan and Kiltale would be seen as contenders. Both clubs had injuries/suspensions to key players for the business end of the championship. In the group stages Kilmessan winning v Trim and Kiltale drawing with Ratoath would suggest on a given day they could take one of the above..

So that's your 5 teams. I think at a push you could include Na Fianna in that. Decimated this year (and last) with injuries and Devine was a big loss to a J1 so hard to know where they're at. It wouldn't surprise anyone if they got it together and made a final."
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Just because a team plays well in a group game doesn't mean they can win it. Kilmessan beating a decimated trim who were already qualified doesn't change that.
Na fianna have time and time again played well in groups and never in a k/out game. Kilmessan and kiltale are miles off competing to win a shc at the minute. Knockout hurling is a different ballgame altogether

Meathgaalad (Meath) - Posts: 171 - 05/10/2024 10:34:30    2573121

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Replying To Meathgaalad:  "I'm sorry but you're wrong. Just because a team plays well in a group game doesn't mean they can win it. Kilmessan beating a decimated trim who were already qualified doesn't change that.
Na fianna have time and time again played well in groups and never in a k/out game. Kilmessan and kiltale are miles off competing to win a shc at the minute. Knockout hurling is a different ballgame altogether"
Relax there Alan Partridge. People can have opinions. Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean they're wrong

Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 383 - 05/10/2024 11:10:19    2573126

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