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Something needs to change..it doesn't make any since to have a team who have lost 3 games in championship still in with a chance of winning all Ireland..I know people will disagree.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2276 - 03/06/2024 14:09:02    2549178

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Something needs to change..it doesn't make any since to have a team who have lost 3 games in championship still in with a chance of winning all Ireland..I know people will disagree."
Why not. It's such a throwback to tradition of straight knock out where its seen as a very bad thing that teams who lose a game can go on and win the competition.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3551 - 03/06/2024 19:33:09    2549261

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Why not. It's such a throwback to tradition of straight knock out where its seen as a very bad thing that teams who lose a game can go on and win the competition."
You can't lose 3 games in the ALL IRELAND CHAMPIONSHIP and win it.
The Provincials are separate Championships.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1627 - 03/06/2024 20:06:39    2549270

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Something needs to change..it doesn't make any since to have a team who have lost 3 games in championship still in with a chance of winning all Ireland..I know people will disagree."
A left field option is provincial groups of 4. One in both Connacht and Munster. Two in both Leinster and Ulster. The top two from the six groups and the previous year's Tailteann winner into All-Ireland knockout.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 03/06/2024 20:38:38    2549278

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "You can't lose 3 games in the ALL IRELAND CHAMPIONSHIP and win it.
The Provincials are separate Championships."
They are all part of the same championship!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2859 - 03/06/2024 21:18:26    2549282

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Replying To Whammo86:  "This is such a weird competition to hold in high regard."
No, just focusing what could be a neat GAA structure, not the rugby.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 03/06/2024 21:58:02    2549299

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Replying To legendzxix:  "They have a sensible format for what they require anyway. Avoiding clashes with international games as much as possible and allowing for 8 European weekends."
That's EPCR, not URC.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 03/06/2024 21:59:52    2549300

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Attendences are ******.

Too many matches with nothing to play for.

Provincials first (each province to have an A and B championship - with a C Champion in Leinster)

Then play National league - Div 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D (5 teams per division, Div 2 A & B - 6 teams per division
Div 1 q finals and div 2 semi finals,
relegation play offs (bottom two teams in each div 1 section - losing team goes down)

Senior championship - 4 groups of 3 - q finals, semi and final
Intermediate championship - 2 groups of 4, semi and finals
Junior championship - 4 groups of 3 - q finals, semi and final

Top teams (Dublin/Kerry etc) - 2 provincial, 5-7 league, 3-5 championship

Middle teams (Meath/Kildare/Fermanagh) - 1-2 provincial, 5 - 6 league, 3-4 Championship

Weeker counties (Waterford, Carlow, London etc) - 1-2 provincial, 5-6 league, 2-4 championship

Max for any team - 3 provincial, 7 league, 5 championship
Min for any team - 1 provincial, 5 league, 2 championship

Spread them from Jan to September with 2 weeks between league and provincials and 3 weeks between championship matches
Club championship matches to be played the week after every inter county championship match

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1164 - 04/06/2024 12:36:33    2549382

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Despite all the complaining of Derry losing 3 games, with the four preliminary quarter-finals pencilled in for GAAGO, it'll be surprising if the GAA were to scrap them. Minor tweaks:
1. Provincial draws based on championship performance and league ranking, if draws are to continue in October.
2. Two home games for provincial finalists. Reward for going further in the provincial championships.
3. Round 1 winners playing in Round 3. Worst case scenario is like groups 1 and 2 this year. Two teams playing for the group win. Two teams playing to avoid elimination.
4. Is too much emphasis based on the league? After the All-Ireland and Tailteann are complete, counties can be ranked 1 to 32 based on championship and league. Where counties reached the same stage of the championship, league ranking can be used. The top 7 from the All-Ireland could retain their place for the following year. 8 to 16 can be next in line, depending on the next year's provincial championship.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 04/06/2024 18:22:47    2549509

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Attendences are ******.

Too many matches with nothing to play for.

Provincials first (each province to have an A and B championship - with a C Champion in Leinster)

Then play National league - Div 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D (5 teams per division, Div 2 A & B - 6 teams per division
Div 1 q finals and div 2 semi finals,
relegation play offs (bottom two teams in each div 1 section - losing team goes down)

Senior championship - 4 groups of 3 - q finals, semi and final
Intermediate championship - 2 groups of 4, semi and finals
Junior championship - 4 groups of 3 - q finals, semi and final

Top teams (Dublin/Kerry etc) - 2 provincial, 5-7 league, 3-5 championship

Middle teams (Meath/Kildare/Fermanagh) - 1-2 provincial, 5 - 6 league, 3-4 Championship

Weeker counties (Waterford, Carlow, London etc) - 1-2 provincial, 5-6 league, 2-4 championship

Max for any team - 3 provincial, 7 league, 5 championship
Min for any team - 1 provincial, 5 league, 2 championship

Spread them from Jan to September with 2 weeks between league and provincials and 3 weeks between championship matches
Club championship matches to be played the week after every inter county championship match"
You don't like my idea with Provs, League & AIC groups bundled together as a fixed 12 games for all?
Tier 1 & 2 both with 'four groups of four' with teams playing all own-tier 15, less own-group 3, leading to:

Tier 1 top 8 AFL-style playoffs (1st 4 w/back door, 2nd 4 KO).
Tier 2 12-team KO, with tier 1 bottom 8/tier 2 top 4 (4 Prelim QF Rd losers go or stay down).
Tier 3 12-team KO, with tier 2 bottom 12.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 04/06/2024 18:56:56    2549517

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Replying To omahant:  "You don't like my idea with Provs, League & AIC groups bundled together as a fixed 12 games for all?
Tier 1 & 2 both with 'four groups of four' with teams playing all own-tier 15, less own-group 3, leading to:

Tier 1 top 8 AFL-style playoffs (1st 4 w/back door, 2nd 4 KO).
Tier 2 12-team KO, with tier 1 bottom 8/tier 2 top 4 (4 Prelim QF Rd losers go or stay down).
Tier 3 12-team KO, with tier 2 bottom 12."
To be honest - your proposals tend to have so many acronyms and abbreviations, I tend not to read them

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1164 - 05/06/2024 12:54:40    2549678

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "To be honest - your proposals tend to have so many acronyms and abbreviations, I tend not to read them"
Fair enough - although I thought they were straight forward.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 05/06/2024 14:00:32    2549706

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There are rumours that the CCC are looking to streamline the football championship. One option being explored is provincial winners direct to quarter-finals. The other 12 in three groups of 4. Possibly only the group winner from the three going forward to the quarter-finals. Not exactly ideal. I'd imagine Seed 3 v Seed 4 in Round 1, Seed 2 provincial runners-up v Seed 4 in Round 2 and Seed 2 v Seed 3 in Round 3.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8053 - 06/06/2024 10:58:35    2549813

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Replying To omahant:  "Fair enough - although I thought they were straight forward."
I think it is the shorthand that makes them seem more complicated than they actually are at times.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4286 - 06/06/2024 11:19:35    2549818

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Despite all the complaining of Derry losing 3 games, with the four preliminary quarter-finals pencilled in for GAAGO, it'll be surprising if the GAA were to scrap them. Minor tweaks:
1. Provincial draws based on championship performance and league ranking, if draws are to continue in October.
2. Two home games for provincial finalists. Reward for going further in the provincial championships.
3. Round 1 winners playing in Round 3. Worst case scenario is like groups 1 and 2 this year. Two teams playing for the group win. Two teams playing to avoid elimination.
4. Is too much emphasis based on the league? After the All-Ireland and Tailteann are complete, counties can be ranked 1 to 32 based on championship and league. Where counties reached the same stage of the championship, league ranking can be used. The top 7 from the All-Ireland could retain their place for the following year. 8 to 16 can be next in line, depending on the next year's provincial championship."
I do think your 12, 10, 10 format (with 2 groups of 6, 2 groups of 5 in the lower tiers) with the championship independent of the league could be great.

Playing the league in parallel with Provincial and All Ireland club.

Playing inter-county championship with some break weeks for club could be good too.

Give the Provincial championships a bit of time to breathe and have a gap to the All Ireland starting.

I'd see that as potentially being a way healthier more balanced season for the whole game.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4286 - 06/06/2024 11:31:13    2549821

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Provincial championships are just too lop-sided to consider allowing a direct route to QF based on their outcomes.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1089 - 06/06/2024 11:37:02    2549823

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Replying To legendzxix:  "There are rumours that the CCC are looking to streamline the football championship. One option being explored is provincial winners direct to quarter-finals. The other 12 in three groups of 4. Possibly only the group winner from the three going forward to the quarter-finals. Not exactly ideal. I'd imagine Seed 3 v Seed 4 in Round 1, Seed 2 provincial runners-up v Seed 4 in Round 2 and Seed 2 v Seed 3 in Round 3."
Not a chance. Players want games.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 196 - 06/06/2024 11:43:21    2549826

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think it is the shorthand that makes them seem more complicated than they actually are at times."
Good to know but I am surprised - I'd rather critique of my ideas than not to have them understood at all.
Which ones - AIC, double chance, Provs? - or I don't get into the finer details of how the URC works - leaving the audience to find out in their own.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 06/06/2024 11:45:50    2549827

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I do think your 12, 10, 10 format (with 2 groups of 6, 2 groups of 5 in the lower tiers) with the championship independent of the league could be great.

Playing the league in parallel with Provincial and All Ireland club.

Playing inter-county championship with some break weeks for club could be good too.

Give the Provincial championships a bit of time to breathe and have a gap to the All Ireland starting.

I'd see that as potentially being a way healthier more balanced season for the whole game."
Remember you had a two-league season as well?
With the same 2x6, 2x5, 2x5 tiers, league and championship alternating - 2 up/2 down.
For Championship, you could have round robin groups (4 or 5 games) - but for League, inter-group (5 or 6 games) for fixture variety.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 06/06/2024 12:04:10    2549833

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Provincial championships are just too lop-sided to consider allowing a direct route to QF based on their outcomes."
Yes, I agree.
Perhaps carry the "front door" stream a round further - 2 unbeaten Champs to AI KO QFs - with next 12 playing for six other berths.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2729 - 06/06/2024 12:07:08    2549835

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