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2024 NFL Division 4 Discussion thread

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Replying To Bainisteoir:  "Ya I was expecting a Longford win, mainly on the basis of home advantage and them looking to rebound post the first round loss. Goes to show there is no such thing as a foregone result. Puts Tipp potentially back on track, season doesn't look as promising for Longford now

In another twist,Laois a lot of folk's favorite for promotion, have a sideline drama bubbling away in terms of their managers dual role. Personally I find it hard to see how he can do both, now that he has drawn attention to himself in this manner, better if he had let one of the selectors run the line against Wexford … not a good look to put it mildly on such a historic day. Still a good result for the Laois men."
The SDLP can do SFA about it (until an election anyhow) and even at that, they should be supportive if that's what he wants to do. They hardly now expected a man involved with the GAA all his life to just give it up for politics? They should be careful what they wish for as he'll just go independent and they'll have no seat. Peter Fitzpatrick combined his political & sporting work for many years without any hassle so I can't see why it would be an issue as long as his constituents are happy.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 05/02/2024 16:32:35    2524585

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Replying To Square_B:  "The SDLP can do SFA about it (until an election anyhow) and even at that, they should be supportive if that's what he wants to do. They hardly now expected a man involved with the GAA all his life to just give it up for politics? They should be careful what they wish for as he'll just go independent and they'll have no seat. Peter Fitzpatrick combined his political & sporting work for many years without any hassle so I can't see why it would be an issue as long as his constituents are happy."
I'd say this will all blow over, I think the SDLP only have 5/6 seats these days, I doubt they'll want to lose one over something as trivial as this.

Going forward there wouldn't be too much overlap between assembly sitting and him needing to be on Laois duty somewhere, so a slap on the wrist is dished out, some water will pass under the bridge and all will be forgotten.

In hindsight he clearly should've deputised to his selectors and coaches for one evening, but there's not much that gets between those South Armagh boys and their football!

Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 77 - 05/02/2024 20:15:30    2524636

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Replying To Laoisvillian:  "I'd say this will all blow over, I think the SDLP only have 5/6 seats these days, I doubt they'll want to lose one over something as trivial as this.

Going forward there wouldn't be too much overlap between assembly sitting and him needing to be on Laois duty somewhere, so a slap on the wrist is dished out, some water will pass under the bridge and all will be forgotten.

In hindsight he clearly should've deputised to his selectors and coaches for one evening, but there's not much that gets between those South Armagh boys and their football!"
It looks like the party leader is trying to strong arm him into giving up his seat so I doubt it will blow over. It's certainly a distraction that Laois could do without. There's a lot of anger locally about what the party has done to him. Either way, all he has to do is sit tight and do nothing.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 05/02/2024 21:32:49    2524649

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Replying To zinny:  "Exactly - it cannot be an open draw from year to year otherwise you could end up with the bottom 4 in a and b in the one group the following year. Bar the demoted teams, the next six in an open draw and the next 8 in an open draw.
Strangely enough they are going back to the 1,2,3,4 format in 2025 for hurling to breath new life back into the league - which really means the top teams.. The problem for hurling was I remember one year when it was all Leinster + one Munster county so it was rerun in the Championship. I wonder what ever happened to the argument that the weaker teams need to have more games against the bigger teams. I don't see how having a D4 is going to liven up the league!"
Late to the party here, but if a Div 3a and 3b is a good idea, you'd have to seed it so that you wouldn't have all the better teams in one group and someone catering to promotion in the other. That promoted team would gain nothing in the short term. Also, you'd need to mix it up as well from year to year so you don't have, say, Leitrim vs Carlow for several consecutive years and Leitrim vs Antrim none of the time. (I think the old 1A/1B/2A/2B of the 00s might have been guilty of that but I haven't researched it.) And while I wouldn't quite advocate for a 3 (North) and a 3 (South), you'd still need to balance things a little so that you wouldn't have Antrim travelling to, say, Tipperary, Wexford and Waterford in the one campaign.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 06/02/2024 00:03:36    2524674

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When you read, " "This was a historic day that saw the restoration of devolved government, the election of the first nationalist First Minister and Leader of the Opposition. People rightly expect their elected representatives to be there for work."

In fairness he could have excused himself, but yes it will fizzle out, miniscule stuff.

Laois are clearly in the driving seat heading towards promotion it's theirs to lose, if it is going to be a distraction for anyone it will be for Carlow, Laois would thrive on this sort of small talk it would spur them on a ton as if they need it.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 06/02/2024 19:59:22    2524828

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Big weekend in Div 4
Laois favourites to beat us but I would not discount
Carlow and Leitrim leading the way after next weekend

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 12/02/2024 12:27:21    2525625

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Big weekend in Div 4
Laois favourites to beat us but I would not discount
Carlow and Leitrim leading the way after next weekend"
Well the Laois hoodoo remains
We wre 5 up and it took laois the brst part of 20 mins to score
Got completely turned over
I will stick with my original prediction of Laois and Leitrim for promotion

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 17/02/2024 19:54:00    2526538

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Well the Laois hoodoo remains
We wre 5 up and it took laois the brst part of 20 mins to score
Got completely turned over
I will stick with my original prediction of Laois and Leitrim for promotion"
With London and Waterford still to play I'd say you could chalk Laois down as promoted, looks like a complete dogfight for 2nd, I know Leitrim have a 100% record but that was against the 2 worst teams in the division.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1683 - 17/02/2024 20:07:31    2526543

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Well the Laois hoodoo remains
We wre 5 up and it took laois the brst part of 20 mins to score
Got completely turned over
I will stick with my original prediction of Laois and Leitrim for promotion"
Yeah Laois started slowly, kicked some awful wides.

We were lucky that ref didn't play advantage for that Carlow goal around the 20 minute mark, that could've changed the complexion on things.

We started using Roche our keeper as another midfielder on Carlow kick out and completely turned the screw on the Carlow keeper's kick outs and a good few started to go astray.

Laois definitely look better conditioned and better defensively than last year.

Disappointed with the Carlow tactics of sticking 15 men inside their own 45 yard line when defending and completely gave up the Laois kick out every time, thought that showed Laois far too much respect that wasn't really merited, but watching Darragh Foley standing on his own 45 line and far away from the Laois goals was OK by me!

3 wins from 3 and with the London game at home and Waterford looking to be in a bad spot, 5 wins will surely see us up

Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 77 - 17/02/2024 20:44:18    2526556

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Big weekend in Div 4
Laois favourites to beat us but I would not discount
Carlow and Leitrim leading the way after next weekend"
Well the Laois hoodoo remains
We wre 5 up and it took laois the brst part of 20 mins to score
Got completely turned over
I will stick with my original prediction of Laois and Leitrim for promotion

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 17/02/2024 21:27:45    2526559

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So after round 3 Laois look to be clear favourites a cut above the rest
Big game for Leitrim and Carlow next week

Leitrim look good for second place and should confirm this by beating us next week
We were dreadful last night despite being 5- 0 up at 24 minutes and that included a good goal being pulled back for a free kick

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 18/02/2024 17:09:55    2526716

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Sounds like a dramatic finish in Carrick, big win for Leitrim

Cahir Healy popping up to get London a draw, what a man he is to be still performing at inter county.

That's a blow for Tipp in terms of getting top 2, they'll need to beat Laois next weekend to stay in the hunt.

Laois going well, will be tough going down in Semple though.

Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 77 - 18/02/2024 19:54:27    2526778

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Replying To Laoisvillian:  "Sounds like a dramatic finish in Carrick, big win for Leitrim

Cahir Healy popping up to get London a draw, what a man he is to be still performing at inter county.

That's a blow for Tipp in terms of getting top 2, they'll need to beat Laois next weekend to stay in the hunt.

Laois going well, will be tough going down in Semple though."
I think Laois will hockey Tipp

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 18/02/2024 23:04:01    2526832

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https://x.com/panthero84/status/1759329955094110433?s=48&t=0sVo3P3GExLtyfdpuuiCVA

Very hard to see a penalty in that lads.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11756 - 19/02/2024 04:53:27    2526843

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Replying To Viking66:  "https://x.com/panthero84/status/1759329955094110433?s=48&t=0sVo3P3GExLtyfdpuuiCVA

Very hard to see a penalty in that lads."
I was the other side of the field and he did grab hold of his jersey but was surprised he gave it. He was very poor in general.

SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 395 - 19/02/2024 08:16:16    2526852

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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada:  "I was the other side of the field and he did grab hold of his jersey but was surprised he gave it. He was very poor in general."
If that's going to be the standard going forwards there's going to be a dozen penalties in every game for the rest of the year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11756 - 19/02/2024 09:12:11    2526863

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Laois are pretty much promoted at this stage seem to be at a different level to the rest so far anyway.
Wexford very unlucky, that's no penalty, that ref should be stood down for a few weeks.
Leitrim seem to be in the driving seat now for one of the promotion spots. Big game in Carlow next week for them, if carlow can put Saturdays game behind them they are capable of winning that but leitrim would be favorites. Still some crucial games ahead bit it's starting to become clearer

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1592 - 19/02/2024 10:25:59    2526889

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Replying To Viking66:  "If that's going to be the standard going forwards there's going to be a dozen penalties in every game for the rest of the year."
Well ok, look at this way; if it's not a penalty, what is? Does it have to be an arm around the neck before the ref can even consider it? Because a pull is a foul.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 19/02/2024 22:28:51    2527099

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Well ok, look at this way; if it's not a penalty, what is? Does it have to be an arm around the neck before the ref can even consider it? Because a pull is a foul."
Both of them were going for the ball. Forwards and backs are grappling when any ball goes in in hurling or football. Even soccer. As it was the ball was a good bit away from the 2 of them when it landed anyway, either due to the wind or tail on it when it was kicked in. Not 1 of the Leitrim players appealed for a penalty.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11756 - 19/02/2024 22:48:23    2527103

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Well ok, look at this way; if it's not a penalty, what is? Does it have to be an arm around the neck before the ref can even consider it? Because a pull is a foul."
It was a foul and I think all the furore about it is a little over the top from people who weren't there.

The disallowed goal for Leitrim was very debatable.

Anyway it is time to focus on the next round.


Wexford are a strong team and we wish them well.

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 463 - 19/02/2024 23:02:27    2527108

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