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Players Transferring Clubs To Win Medals

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Starting to be alot of nonsense on this thread. Financial inducements? Most top players are already well looked after, and have decent jobs. Most City clubs have huge annual outlays. I mean, WTAF. There's no club in Ireland going to be able to pay any player life changing money.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 29/08/2024 11:40:01    2567507

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I don't want to be mí-mhúinte, but do you need new glasses? If you read my post, it says they haven't lived in Maigh Cuilinn while playing for them. They lived in Galway city.
That's the second time you've stated something that isn't in my posts.
Are you going to address the actual points I've made or keep arguing with things I didn't say?"
So sorry! is it that players who live away from their club should not be playing with these clubs?Many clubs have players who live in other parts of the county and country and even abroad, such a situation would leave most clubs in a dire situation,
I can't see this being broadly welcomed a side from your good self.

backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 29/08/2024 12:51:16    2567533

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Replying To Viking66:  "Starting to be alot of nonsense on this thread. Financial inducements? Most top players are already well looked after, and have decent jobs. Most City clubs have huge annual outlays. I mean, WTAF. There's no club in Ireland going to be able to pay any player life changing money."
Nobody in their right mind would think it would be life changing money but enough all the same to persuade a player to change clubs…. If you think this isn't going on then you're very naive…!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 13:08:49    2567535

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Last line is very true, as I'm showing in replies to the Cavan man here.

Somebody might think they have a "great" idea to close off the sort of transfers that most are talking about here, but they're not thinking of the consequences for other, genuine cases."
Of course there could be some very legitimate cases as you point out… but surely you agree that it's a major problem especially in Dublin…. when it's plainly obvious players join the more elite clubs because money talks….But very hard to find a way of preventing this sort of thing……

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 13:17:19    2567538

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Replying To Viking66:  "Starting to be alot of nonsense on this thread. Financial inducements? Most top players are already well looked after, and have decent jobs. Most City clubs have huge annual outlays. I mean, WTAF. There's no club in Ireland going to be able to pay any player life changing money."
Nobody in their right mind would think it would be life changing money but enough all the same to persuade a player to change clubs…. If you think this isn't going on then you're very naive…!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 13:17:30    2567539

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Replying To backtooldwall:  "So sorry! is it that players who live away from their club should not be playing with these clubs?Many clubs have players who live in other parts of the county and country and even abroad, such a situation would leave most clubs in a dire situation,
I can't see this being broadly welcomed a side from your good self."
The issue in this case is with those who transferred to Maigh Cuilinn after moving to Galway city, but don't or never have lived in Maigh Cuilinn. I think they should play for a more local city club in this case.
The issue has nothing to do with existing players who moved away but still play for their original club. Nobody has a problem with that, nor has it been mentioned anywhere in this thread.
We're clearly talking about transferred players in this discussion (it's in the thread title), so go easy on the manufactured confusion or attempts to muddy the argument.
Any chance you'll make an argument against the point I actually made?

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 29/08/2024 13:55:30    2567545

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The issue in this case is with those who transferred to Maigh Cuilinn after moving to Galway city, but don't or never have lived in Maigh Cuilinn. I think they should play for a more local city club in this case.
The issue has nothing to do with existing players who moved away but still play for their original club. Nobody has a problem with that, nor has it been mentioned anywhere in this thread.
We're clearly talking about transferred players in this discussion (it's in the thread title), so go easy on the manufactured confusion or attempts to muddy the argument.
Any chance you'll make an argument against the point I actually made?"
If they are not living there( there where ever that is?) why? What is the point you are failing to make clear?

backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 29/08/2024 14:21:52    2567554

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Of course there could be some very legitimate cases as you point out… but surely you agree that it's a major problem especially in Dublin…. when it's plainly obvious players join the more elite clubs because money talks….But very hard to find a way of preventing this sort of thing……"
You're softening your cough with every reply.

First you were going to ban a lad from Wexford from being able to play hurling back in Wexford if he'd happened to play for a couple of years in Monaghan or Kerry first, while living there for work.

Then you were going to ban a lad from playing for his new club's first team for a year, even if he was worth his place on that team and if dropping down to the club's second team clearly wouldn't be the appropriate place for him.

Now you're just asking me to acknowledge that there's a problem. I see it more of an issue in some cases, rather than a problem across the board.

The Shane Walsh one has been explained to death before now. There's no "parish rule" or anything similar in Dublin. Once Walsh (or anybody else) decides to seek a transfer to play club football or hurling in Dublin, they have an unfettered choice of which club to join there.

I don't know enough about the Maigh Cuilinn situation in Galway to comment on that one.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2024 14:22:55    2567555

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Replying To backtooldwall:  "If they are not living there( there where ever that is?) why? What is the point you are failing to make clear?"
This is the point I'm making.
When players transfer to a new county, if they are looking to transfer club, it would be preferable if they play for their local club based on where they have moved to, rather than selecting a club where they don't live and never have.
A few of the Maigh Cuilinn transfers don't live there (in Maigh Cuilinn) and never have. I hope that's clear enough.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 29/08/2024 14:55:17    2567561

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Nobody in their right mind would think it would be life changing money but enough all the same to persuade a player to change clubs…. If you think this isn't going on then you're very naive…!!!!"
I'd go as far as to say that I believe no player has ever been persuaded by any amount of money to change clubs if they were happy at the club they were at. And if they weren't happy, or moved a distance away, then they would have moved anyway. I also don't believe that any great number of players have moved clubs to win medals, the title of this thread.
What I do know has happened is that players have moved clubs to play at a higher standard, mainly to further their intercounty careers.
As regards Shane Walsh, who has been mentioned on this thread, I believe he was going to move to a club in Dublin for logistical reasons anyway, and being as there is no parish rule there, and being as he didn't have family ties or any other reason to pick a particular club, he chose to play for the best one he could. What exactly is wrong with that?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 29/08/2024 15:02:40    2567565

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You're softening your cough with every reply.

First you were going to ban a lad from Wexford from being able to play hurling back in Wexford if he'd happened to play for a couple of years in Monaghan or Kerry first, while living there for work.

Then you were going to ban a lad from playing for his new club's first team for a year, even if he was worth his place on that team and if dropping down to the club's second team clearly wouldn't be the appropriate place for him.

Now you're just asking me to acknowledge that there's a problem. I see it more of an issue in some cases, rather than a problem across the board.

The Shane Walsh one has been explained to death before now. There's no "parish rule" or anything similar in Dublin. Once Walsh (or anybody else) decides to seek a transfer to play club football or hurling in Dublin, they have an unfettered choice of which club to join there.

I don't know enough about the Maigh Cuilinn situation in Galway to comment on that one."
Moycullen is about 10 miles from Galway city.

A number of the new players to join Moycullen were living in the city,

St James, st michaels, salthill and possibly oranmore would be closer.

The previous manager was based in mill st gda station as are some new players.

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 29/08/2024 15:18:59    2567566

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Details of how moves happened.

I have no issues with transfers but these 2 and Clarke had no connection with Moycullen and had not moved into parish,

They were poached at work.

I am unsure what Johnny maloney situation was.

On an unrelated one Johnny Glynn playing for cortoon was odd and mcdaid playing for Monivea was down to limited options.


https://www.anglocelt.ie/2020/10/13/walshs-move-to-the-west-pays-off/

https://www.the42.ie/moycullen-galway-football-owen-gallagher-5229086-Oct2020/

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 29/08/2024 15:30:17    2567568

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Just on the Shane Walsh one as a matter of interest.

Does the Galway county team all train together in Galway? Or is there separate training for the Dublin based Galways lads?
Is it such an ordeal for him to travel back to Galway once a week for a club match? Particularly when I assume he was doing the trip a couple of times a week to train with Galway during the county season?

Could he not have trained away with whatever club he wanted in Dublin during the week and just come home to play with the club at the weekend?

Load of lads all over the country do it every weekend.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 29/08/2024 15:54:53    2567574

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You're softening your cough with every reply.

First you were going to ban a lad from Wexford from being able to play hurling back in Wexford if he'd happened to play for a couple of years in Monaghan or Kerry first, while living there for work.

Then you were going to ban a lad from playing for his new club's first team for a year, even if he was worth his place on that team and if dropping down to the club's second team clearly wouldn't be the appropriate place for him.

Now you're just asking me to acknowledge that there's a problem. I see it more of an issue in some cases, rather than a problem across the board.

The Shane Walsh one has been explained to death before now. There's no "parish rule" or anything similar in Dublin. Once Walsh (or anybody else) decides to seek a transfer to play club football or hurling in Dublin, they have an unfettered choice of which club to join there.

I don't know enough about the Maigh Cuilinn situation in Galway to comment on that one."
I'm not softening anything…. My original point stands.. Clubs fielding 3 or more adult teams should not be allowed transfer players in … simple.. In Dublin like many counties there are loads of clubs with only one or two adult teams… Why did Walsh not go to one of them I wonder…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 17:20:03    2567583

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I'm not softening anything…. My original point stands.. Clubs fielding 3 or more adult teams should not be allowed transfer players in … simple.. In Dublin like many counties there are loads of clubs with only one or two adult teams… Why did Walsh not go to one of them I wonder…?"
Why would he choose not to go to the best team would have him? Wouldn't you?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 29/08/2024 17:59:58    2567586

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why would he choose not to go to the best team would have him? Wouldn't you?"
You mean the best paying team?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2654 - 29/08/2024 21:54:54    2567596

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why would he choose not to go to the best team would have him? Wouldn't you?"
If the proper rule like I suggested was in place then he couldn't join them…. It's only making the bigger clubs stronger and the smaller clubs weaker… All about the money…..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 22:01:00    2567597

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why would he choose not to go to the best team would have him? Wouldn't you?"
If the proper rule like I suggested was in place then he couldn't join them…. It's only making the bigger clubs stronger and the smaller clubs weaker… All about the money…..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 22:11:55    2567600

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I'm not softening anything…. My original point stands.. Clubs fielding 3 or more adult teams should not be allowed transfer players in … simple.. In Dublin like many counties there are loads of clubs with only one or two adult teams… Why did Walsh not go to one of them I wonder…?"
All right, so. I'll go back to one of my examples here in Wexford.

Ferns St. Aidans, mainly a hurling club, in a decent-sized village but could in no way be regarded as "a town club". Despite the fact that they're mainly hurling, they're one of only a handful of clubs in Wexford who field three adult men's football teams.

I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing they maybe struggle a bit sometimes for players to make up their Junior 'B' team. Now say somebody moves into Ferns who used to play a bit of football somewhere else, but gave it up for the past few years, and now thinks that joining the club would be a good way to get know a few local people around his new home. Junior 'B' would be his natural level.

You're still saying he shouldn't be allowed to transfer in and play?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2024 23:14:09    2567604

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Theres a lot of good players trapped in Clubs going nowhere due to parish rule. Is it right a very good player is stuck with a club playing junior that can hardly put out a team and get no more than 6 or 7 at training ?

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 717 - 30/08/2024 09:42:23    2567619

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