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Players Transferring Clubs To Win Medals

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Cathal Dunbarr- Ballygarret to Gorey in Wex. A whole 10 mins drive from one to the other.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 28/08/2024 13:18:24    2567369

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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland:  "It shouldn't happen unless of the parent rule or the person is living in the parish/club area. And the rule should include if you transfer you cannot transfer again ever."
And what if a player moves to an entirely new county miles away due to work for example...Should he/she not be allowed a second transfer to a third team or should he/she just quit the game?

There must be something in the water with Leitrim people!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 28/08/2024 13:41:10    2567374

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Replying To CorkLiamMcCarthy24:  "Moycullen in Galway have Clarke(Mayo), Gallagher(Antrim),Maloney(Offaly) and now some buck from Cavan"
It's difficult to see players who transferred to Moycullen or many other clubs at the start of covid travel restrictions or before that , as medal hunters being as Moycullen I think had only ever contested one Galway senior final in their history (approximately 100 years) prior to 2020.
Travel restrictions were a big factor in many players decisions during that period, selecting a closer club could involve location, family connections or friendship ties or just convenance.There has always been a history of guards teachers, medical people etc playing in the area where they are posted and the vast majority of them never won a medal of note but we now live in the age of conspiracy theories.I changed my weekly racket ball game from my original home to a location much closer to where I now live for the already stated reasons as have many more done similar adjustments.
Were I and others like me hunting something?

backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 28/08/2024 14:09:42    2567375

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Replying To backtooldwall:  "It's difficult to see players who transferred to Moycullen or many other clubs at the start of covid travel restrictions or before that , as medal hunters being as Moycullen I think had only ever contested one Galway senior final in their history (approximately 100 years) prior to 2020.
Travel restrictions were a big factor in many players decisions during that period, selecting a closer club could involve location, family connections or friendship ties or just convenance.There has always been a history of guards teachers, medical people etc playing in the area where they are posted and the vast majority of them never won a medal of note but we now live in the age of conspiracy theories.I changed my weekly racket ball game from my original home to a location much closer to where I now live for the already stated reasons as have many more done similar adjustments.
Were I and others like me hunting something?"
SIRI show me someone from Moycullen (or Maigh Cuillin as they like to say as if they are any way Gaeltacht).

TanCanRan (Galway) - Posts: 209 - 28/08/2024 15:01:03    2567384

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Replying To backtooldwall:  "It's difficult to see players who transferred to Moycullen or many other clubs at the start of covid travel restrictions or before that , as medal hunters being as Moycullen I think had only ever contested one Galway senior final in their history (approximately 100 years) prior to 2020.
Travel restrictions were a big factor in many players decisions during that period, selecting a closer club could involve location, family connections or friendship ties or just convenance.There has always been a history of guards teachers, medical people etc playing in the area where they are posted and the vast majority of them never won a medal of note but we now live in the age of conspiracy theories.I changed my weekly racket ball game from my original home to a location much closer to where I now live for the already stated reasons as have many more done similar adjustments.
Were I and others like me hunting something?"
The argument of Covid travel restrictions doesn't wash in the case of many of the Maigh Cuilinn examples. A number of the players mentioned were living in Galway, and never resided in Maigh Cuilinn at all. So the point you're making should mean they would have played with their more local club in the city.
Look, this isn't just a Maigh Cuilinn issue but they are a high profile example at the moment, given that a third of their team for some championship games in recent years was made up of players from other counties, a number of whom have never lived in Maigh Cuilinn.
This is a club that has a large local population, competes well in division A in pretty much all underage age groups and has a large number of players who have played underage and senior for the county in the last decade.
Nobody has an issue with a player who moves to an area playing for the local club. There are dozens of examples of this. It's the more systematic nature of it that rubs people the wrong way, particularly when the club itself has greater playing resources than the vast majority of clubs in the county.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 28/08/2024 15:39:27    2567389

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "And what if a player moves to an entirely new county miles away due to work for example...Should he/she not be allowed a second transfer to a third team or should he/she just quit the game?

There must be something in the water with Leitrim people!"
No they shouldn't be allowed. Either go back to your home club or stay with the one you transferred to. No leap frogging

eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 28/08/2024 15:48:44    2567392

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This club could easily be changed to "Clubs trying to sign players to win championships" as is the case with a senior club on our own county trying to sign a talented 18 year old from a junior club. The player in question neither lives nor works in the senior clubs area. Thankfully our CB had the sense to see it for what it was and reject the transfer.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1036 - 28/08/2024 16:00:17    2567399

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I have always said a club that's able to field 3 adult teams because of their high numbers should not be allowed transfer players in…. this obviously would mostly apply to Dublin clubs… Kilmacud for example must have 5/6 adult teams yet are allowed transfer in the likes of Walsh from Galway… what sort of message does this send out to club players who have come up through the ranks…they are doing the same in the ladies section and can field 3/4 adult teams… Is winning that important to them..? Time the GAA woke up and tackled this issue but I doubt they have the b…s to do this….!"
But the thing is, it has to be one rule across the board.

Again taking Wexford as an example, there are clubs here like Shelmaliers, St. Martin's, Glynn-Barntown and Ferns St. Aidans who field three adult teams in either hurling, football, or both.

What if somebody who's no better than a Junior B player genuinely moves to live in Ferns, for example? Should he not be allowed to transfer in, just because they've got three adult teams already?

What if they were actually borderline as regards being able to field three teams, and whether or not one or two new residents would make the difference?

You'd tell them "no way!", and leave another 12 or 13 lads who would have been part of the Junior B team with no games at all if they weren't quite there with numbers for that team?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 28/08/2024 16:46:57    2567404

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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland:  "No they shouldn't be allowed. Either go back to your home club or stay with the one you transferred to. No leap frogging"
I see you're digging your heels in on this one, then.

The fella I know would have had to drive to Monaghan from either Kerry or Wexford if he wanted to keep hurling. That'd make sense all right.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 28/08/2024 16:48:45    2567407

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The argument of Covid travel restrictions doesn't wash in the case of many of the Maigh Cuilinn examples. A number of the players mentioned were living in Galway, and never resided in Maigh Cuilinn at all. So the point you're making should mean they would have played with their more local club in the city.
Look, this isn't just a Maigh Cuilinn issue but they are a high profile example at the moment, given that a third of their team for some championship games in recent years was made up of players from other counties, a number of whom have never lived in Maigh Cuilinn.
This is a club that has a large local population, competes well in division A in pretty much all underage age groups and has a large number of players who have played underage and senior for the county in the last decade.
Nobody has an issue with a player who moves to an area playing for the local club. There are dozens of examples of this. It's the more systematic nature of it that rubs people the wrong way, particularly when the club itself has greater playing resources than the vast majority of clubs in the county."
The only statement that doesn't wash is that none of them lives in Moycullen, but you prove that if you keep telling the same story for long enough you believe it yourself.When I lived in Moycullen I wasn't the only player born and growing up in another county playing on teams, it was't an issue then the same as its not with other clubs as long as they don't compete for or win titles.

backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 28/08/2024 16:51:49    2567409

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John Heslin here in Westmeath is from about 10+ miles outside mullingar his local club was junior B so always played for lomans but drove by about 4 lower senior/ intermediate clubs. Half lomans team is the same. How dominant would Lomans have been without them ?

Ayardout (Westmeath) - Posts: 14 - 28/08/2024 16:57:28    2567412

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Replying To backtooldwall:  "The only statement that doesn't wash is that none of them lives in Moycullen, but you prove that if you keep telling the same story for long enough you believe it yourself.When I lived in Moycullen I wasn't the only player born and growing up in another county playing on teams, it was't an issue then the same as its not with other clubs as long as they don't compete for or win titles."
Well now you're misquoting me. Where did I state that none of them live in Maigh Cuilinn?
Read it again and you'll see that I said a number of them had never even lived in Maigh Cuilinn, while they played for them.
When one-third of the team is from outside the county, it does make people take notice. When some of those players have never lived in Maigh Cuilinn, but actually live in Galway it also adds a bit more to it.
When the club are successful as a result of it, then of course it's going to raise more eyebrows. That's only natural.
There are some of their outside players who do live in Maigh Cuilinn. I see no issues with them playing for what is now their local club.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 28/08/2024 18:18:34    2567423

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "But the thing is, it has to be one rule across the board.

Again taking Wexford as an example, there are clubs here like Shelmaliers, St. Martin's, Glynn-Barntown and Ferns St. Aidans who field three adult teams in either hurling, football, or both.

What if somebody who's no better than a Junior B player genuinely moves to live in Ferns, for example? Should he not be allowed to transfer in, just because they've got three adult teams already?

What if they were actually borderline as regards being able to field three teams, and whether or not one or two new residents would make the difference?

You'd tell them "no way!", and leave another 12 or 13 lads who would have been part of the Junior B team with no games at all if they weren't quite there with numbers for that team?"
I understand what you are saying but even in a case like that the player in question should not be allowed play higher than 2nd team level for the first season at his new club… Too many high profile players leaving their clubs to join bigger ones and make no mistake about it financial inducements are involved and this is just not right in my opinion….!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 07:03:43    2567468

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "But the thing is, it has to be one rule across the board.

Again taking Wexford as an example, there are clubs here like Shelmaliers, St. Martin's, Glynn-Barntown and Ferns St. Aidans who field three adult teams in either hurling, football, or both.

What if somebody who's no better than a Junior B player genuinely moves to live in Ferns, for example? Should he not be allowed to transfer in, just because they've got three adult teams already?

What if they were actually borderline as regards being able to field three teams, and whether or not one or two new residents would make the difference?

You'd tell them "no way!", and leave another 12 or 13 lads who would have been part of the Junior B team with no games at all if they weren't quite there with numbers for that team?"
I understand what you are saying but even in a case like that the player in question should not be allowed play higher than 2nd team level for the first season at his new club… Too many high profile players leaving their clubs to join bigger ones and make no mistake about it financial inducements are involved and this is just not right in my opinion….!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 29/08/2024 07:03:55    2567469

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Any player should be allowed to transfer club to wherever he wants to play within reason.

No player should be forced to stick it out with his home club either, particularly if he fell out with one or two guys who then marginalized the player. It's not a prison.

I don't see an issue with Dublin or Limerick cities not having a restriction based on accommodation availability. Seems reasonable when you can't get a reasonably priced gaffe near your club of choice. Seems reasonable that if you have moved from Donegal to Dublin that you should be allowed join a club where a few lads you know are currently playing.

The biggest problem is actually the structure in the cities (and large urban areas) where you have a range of super clubs. These actually reduce the no of potential GAA players as they don't have to develop young players because they will never have enough adult teams to take all the players who could come through their system.
They start grading players at 8, starting cutting them at 12 and lose them to the GAA for good.

The GAA needs to find away to start new clubs in cities and urban areas and limit the size of the current superclubs

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 29/08/2024 07:42:09    2567471

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Any player should be allowed to transfer club to wherever he wants to play within reason.

No player should be forced to stick it out with his home club either, particularly if he fell out with one or two guys who then marginalized the player. It's not a prison.

I don't see an issue with Dublin or Limerick cities not having a restriction based on accommodation availability. Seems reasonable when you can't get a reasonably priced gaffe near your club of choice. Seems reasonable that if you have moved from Donegal to Dublin that you should be allowed join a club where a few lads you know are currently playing.

The biggest problem is actually the structure in the cities (and large urban areas) where you have a range of super clubs. These actually reduce the no of potential GAA players as they don't have to develop young players because they will never have enough adult teams to take all the players who could come through their system.
They start grading players at 8, starting cutting them at 12 and lose them to the GAA for good.

The GAA needs to find away to start new clubs in cities and urban areas and limit the size of the current superclubs"
You say 'within reason'. Even that's completely subjective. What's within reason for one person won't be for another.
Nobody should be forced to pay for a club of course. If a players has a legitimate reason for leaving a club, which could be personal for example, or due to having moved, then if course a transfer is fine.
It does need some kind of control however, or otherwise you would have smaller clubs losing their talented players more regularly.
The fact that club players play for where they're from, in the the vast majority of cases, is one of its greatest strengths and creates the connection with the team.
I think it works well in general as it is. There will always be exceptions, but on the whole I can't see how it could be improved very much without other consequences.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 29/08/2024 10:31:13    2567486

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I understand what you are saying but even in a case like that the player in question should not be allowed play higher than 2nd team level for the first season at his new club… Too many high profile players leaving their clubs to join bigger ones and make no mistake about it financial inducements are involved and this is just not right in my opinion….!"
Okay. Let's say one of the clubs I mentioned operates in hurling at senior (obviously our top grade), Junior 'A' (our fifth grade), and Junior 'B' (our sixth grade).

Now say a senior standard club hurler from Galway moves to that place, maybe for work reasons or maybe because he's met a good woman (or man - let's be inclusive here!). You'd have it that he couldn't play any higher than Junior 'A' for the first year.

So, he'd still have to travel to and from Galway for training and matches if he still wanted to play senior. Would that be fair on him?

Or, if he dropped down four grades to Junior 'A', he could shoot the lights out in every match there, because he'd be of a far higher standard than anybody else there. Would that be fair on all the other clubs in that grade?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2024 10:43:05    2567487

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Well now you're misquoting me. Where did I state that none of them live in Maigh Cuilinn?
Read it again and you'll see that I said a number of them had never even lived in Maigh Cuilinn, while they played for them.
When one-third of the team is from outside the county, it does make people take notice. When some of those players have never lived in Maigh Cuilinn, but actually live in Galway it also adds a bit more to it.
When the club are successful as a result of it, then of course it's going to raise more eyebrows. That's only natural.
There are some of their outside players who do live in Maigh Cuilinn. I see no issues with them playing for what is now their local club."
What is this about that they haven't lived in Moycullen -Maigh Cuilinn while living there?

backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 138 - 29/08/2024 10:43:28    2567488

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "You say 'within reason'. Even that's completely subjective. What's within reason for one person won't be for another.
Nobody should be forced to pay for a club of course. If a players has a legitimate reason for leaving a club, which could be personal for example, or due to having moved, then if course a transfer is fine.
It does need some kind of control however, or otherwise you would have smaller clubs losing their talented players more regularly.
The fact that club players play for where they're from, in the the vast majority of cases, is one of its greatest strengths and creates the connection with the team.
I think it works well in general as it is. There will always be exceptions, but on the whole I can't see how it could be improved very much without other consequences."
Last line is very true, as I'm showing in replies to the Cavan man here.

Somebody might think they have a "great" idea to close off the sort of transfers that most are talking about here, but they're not thinking of the consequences for other, genuine cases.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2024 10:45:16    2567489

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Replying To backtooldwall:  "What is this about that they haven't lived in Moycullen -Maigh Cuilinn while living there?"
I don't want to be mí-mhúinte, but do you need new glasses? If you read my post, it says they haven't lived in Maigh Cuilinn while playing for them. They lived in Galway city.
That's the second time you've stated something that isn't in my posts.
Are you going to address the actual points I've made or keep arguing with things I didn't say?

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 29/08/2024 11:14:37    2567495

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