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Rossiter confirmed on the radio last night Flood was let go from the panel during the week along with Rory Higgins and Anthony Roche from Oulart, all 3 are injury related, said Flood seeing a specialist for a 2nd opinion on his knee during the week. Cian Byrne from Rosslare also as the goalies had to be cut from 4 to 3. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 11:46:10 2524510 Link
Think foley had two or three fouls on him that weren't blown up Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 05/02/2024 11:47:44 2524511 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Yes. Jippo carries a decent threat going forward. You can hurl with more freedom in the corner and he's played there loads for is with Matt at 3. Reck is the best hurler in Wexford. I don't know why that would need explanation. Rory is unreal but injured most of the time. Chin is the best all rounder we have in terms of athleticism and leadership but he's not even the best hurler in town nevermind the county. You're reading the last part wrong. Firstly flood is still involved but recovering from knee surgery. It's not a question of not making the half back line. It's a question of moving players around to meet the demands of the opposition. For example, playing Kilkenny we may need a big engine so would pick Hearne, playing Galway may need more physicality so could go with Molloy. I have attended every competitive game for the last 30 years bar the COVID years. Also hundreds of training sessions. I've hurled for Wexford from 14-minor I've played senior club championship" Jippo is one of the best full backs in the country so I'd leave him there. Foley definitely an option there now if he's injured. Conor foley wing back for me. I-remain to be convinced mcguckin is good enough to play there at inter county level As regards " is chin the best hurler in the county ". He is by a country mile. The guy's athleticism and leadership as you rightly say is so important to the team but He certainly doesn't lack in hurling skills neither. Not even the best hurler in town….please doyler you'll lose credibility coming out with stuff like that.. lol HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 05/02/2024 12:08:21 2524518 Link
Replying To Formertownie: "Decent start to the year good to see the younger lads getting the chance . It has to be that way as we gsd an aging panel . I think Rossi has to start the transition now and keep playing the younger/newer lads . We don't have any option we ve had couple decent u20 teams past few years u either use them now or lose them or they ll quit won't hang around or improve if not given the opportunities they need to be exposed to the level asap toe see what they need to improve upon . Out biggest worry is the physicality and size . We have really good average sized hurlers no great physical men who we can say the same about . Think Rossi has yo try find few bigger men for middle third for their ball winning in the air . Some of the munster teams would have field day in the air . If no big men coming through we better start learning how break and win ball on consistent basis . Half firward line especially needs to be vsll winners and high workrate . Would matt o hanlon fit as a centre forward option with oisin Jacko chin as one of other in half forward line throw in a speedie stick man too for the breaks . Chin matt rory Chin matt oisin could work Jacko matt rory Chin matt james byrne/lawlor/foley/casey/tucker Oisin matt jacko U get the point chin could be I full forward line and come out around for vall winning if need Our best asset so far this year is our work rate intensity from the newer lads something we ve acked in last few years at times. Let's hope if the newer lads break through for championship they don't rest in their selection . For that reason alone we need 22 to 25 who are up to level required do keep everyone honest . If we can do that regardless of where we finish ( I do believe we can compete with at least 4 to 5 of the top 8 teams ). It will be progress . Main point we dint have a choice we have to play these lads showing up well to have a future ." Our top players aren't aging exactly. Dee only turned 32 last month, Chin is 31 and O Hanlon is 32, Liam Ryan and Kevin Foley aren't even 30 yet. Rory and Damien are only 25/26. To put that into perspective David Burke is 34, Daithi is 31, McInerney is 33, Joseph Cooney is 32, Padraig mannion is 30, cathal mannion is 29, whelan is 27.Galways best players are similar age to ours if not a little older. TJ is 36. Horgan is 35. I don't think Matt is the answer at centre forward. As regards our half forward line being cleaned by some of the Munster counties why puck the ball there continuously in the 1st place? No other county does these days and Keith has us set up that we don't always have to either. I think high workrate, as you said, is more important than all 3 lads being tall these days. Tbh I thought we played the ball long too often when we had the wind in the 2nd half yesterday, especially in the last 15 or so minutes. All we got out of all that long ball was the equalising goal at the end. If we had of stayed mixing it up, and defended with a bit more cuteness, we mightve been a good bit up by then and not needed that goal at all and won the game. We did the same against Tipp in 2019. And against Clare in 2022. We went away from what was working against Tipp in Croker and kept going long after Lohan and Clare shut that door by dropping the halfbacks back in Thurles. Our most successful days in recent years have been when we used short and medium balls as well as the odd long one, and diagonal balls inside. Not sure if that was down to Fanning either time but in general his puckouts aren't great. He even put one straight out over the sideline again in the first half, though at least he didn't hit as many to unmarked opposition players as he has in the past. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19008 - 05/02/2024 12:09:02 2524519 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Oh yeah i know they weren't the only 2 i was just making the point between the 2 of them and 7 players u22 we'd alot who will benefit massively from yesterday, as an aside the biggest body transformation i seen in any player was Billy Drennan, he must have been living in the gym over the winter." Apart from the run to set up the second penalty he did nearly nothing in open play in 20 plus minutes on the pitch. Was the same in the Fitzgibbon when he came on Thursday. Was the same last year when playing any of the top 9 counties in the League. After doing all the bulking up last winter he missed half the summer injured. He's a good prospect but a long way off being the finished article at Senior Intercounty. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19008 - 05/02/2024 12:12:25 2524520 Link
Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Jippo is one of the best full backs in the country so I'd leave him there. Foley definitely an option there now if he's injured. Conor foley wing back for me. I-remain to be convinced mcguckin is good enough to play there at inter county level As regards " is chin the best hurler in the county ". He is by a country mile. The guy's athleticism and leadership as you rightly say is so important to the team but He certainly doesn't lack in hurling skills neither. Not even the best hurler in town….please doyler you'll lose credibility coming out with stuff like that.. lol" We've had this conversation before. Chin has worked unbelievably hard and is our most important player. That isn't the same as being the best hurler. Larry o gorman was a valuable player. So was Martin Storey. Liam dunne was still always the best hurler. What constitutes the best hurler for me is somebody who has mastered all the key skills of the game. I believe Damien Reck is the best we have for that. Reading the game, side step, block, hook, kill a ball, find a pass, side step, cleanly strike on both sides all the time. Know where to be and play with intelligence. The hurl is an extension of his body. He doesn't have to work as hard as chin for that. He's just born to hurl. As amazing as chin is, he doesn't do all of those things. I'm not trying to take him down or anything. Everyone around him is better for chinners presence on the pitch and he can turn a game on his own. For comparative purposes, Messi is a better footballer than Ronaldo in the same sense. Ronaldo would still be more valuable as he's the complete athlete. My thoughts on chinner and Reck are similar. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 05/02/2024 12:51:19 2524528 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Apart from the run to set up the second penalty he did nearly nothing in open play in 20 plus minutes on the pitch. Was the same in the Fitzgibbon when he came on Thursday. Was the same last year when playing any of the top 9 counties in the League. After doing all the bulking up last winter he missed half the summer injured. He's a good prospect but a long way off being the finished article at Senior Intercounty." I'd agree and said it last year too, he's a brilliant free taker but has alot to prove at this level in terms of general play, he started last year in Wexford Park in the championship and barely felt the weight of the ball. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 12:57:34 2524534 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Yes. Jippo carries a decent threat going forward. You can hurl with more freedom in the corner and he's played there loads for is with Matt at 3. Reck is the best hurler in Wexford. I don't know why that would need explanation. Rory is unreal but injured most of the time. Chin is the best all rounder we have in terms of athleticism and leadership but he's not even the best hurler in town nevermind the county. You're reading the last part wrong. Firstly flood is still involved but recovering from knee surgery. It's not a question of not making the half back line. It's a question of moving players around to meet the demands of the opposition. For example, playing Kilkenny we may need a big engine so would pick Hearne, playing Galway may need more physicality so could go with Molloy. I have attended every competitive game for the last 30 years bar the COVID years. Also hundreds of training sessions. I've hurled for Wexford from 14-minor I've played senior club championship" Would turn at pace not be an issue no? Needed in the corner. Rory is injured most of the time? How many games did Rory hurl in championship last year and how many games did Damien hurl in championship? Have a reflection on that before you say Rory is injured most of the time. It does need an explanation, Rory most skillful hurler on the panel, Who is the best hurler in the town if its not Lee Chin? very interested in that now. Flood is off the panel since last Monday. He also has not had any surgery. Maybe I have seen different from yourself in those sessions. countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 951 - 05/02/2024 13:06:35 2524537 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "We've had this conversation before. Chin has worked unbelievably hard and is our most important player. That isn't the same as being the best hurler. Larry o gorman was a valuable player. So was Martin Storey. Liam dunne was still always the best hurler. What constitutes the best hurler for me is somebody who has mastered all the key skills of the game. I believe Damien Reck is the best we have for that. Reading the game, side step, block, hook, kill a ball, find a pass, side step, cleanly strike on both sides all the time. Know where to be and play with intelligence. The hurl is an extension of his body. He doesn't have to work as hard as chin for that. He's just born to hurl. As amazing as chin is, he doesn't do all of those things. I'm not trying to take him down or anything. Everyone around him is better for chinners presence on the pitch and he can turn a game on his own. For comparative purposes, Messi is a better footballer than Ronaldo in the same sense. Ronaldo would still be more valuable as he's the complete athlete. My thoughts on chinner and Reck are similar." I think we'd see that chin is highly efficient in all those skills if he was hurling centre back which incidentally I think we might see him do with Wexford in the future HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 05/02/2024 13:45:42 2524546 Link
Replying To Wexfordgaa: "Think foley had two or three fouls on him that weren't blown up" Last scorable free KK conceded was on the 39 minute, I don't think that was down to excellent discipline. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 14:27:58 2524557 Link
Replying To countyman2022: "Would turn at pace not be an issue no? Needed in the corner. Rory is injured most of the time? How many games did Rory hurl in championship last year and how many games did Damien hurl in championship? Have a reflection on that before you say Rory is injured most of the time. It does need an explanation, Rory most skillful hurler on the panel, Who is the best hurler in the town if its not Lee Chin? very interested in that now. Flood is off the panel since last Monday. He also has not had any surgery. Maybe I have seen different from yourself in those sessions." That depends on who the opposition is. We generally play an extra defender. That's what it's for. Past his best no doubt, but Richie Kehoe would be a better hurler than chinner based on the criteria I've described Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 05/02/2024 15:11:40 2524574 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Rossiter confirmed on the radio last night Flood was let go from the panel during the week along with Rory Higgins and Anthony Roche from Oulart, all 3 are injury related, said Flood seeing a specialist for a 2nd opinion on his knee during the week. Cian Byrne from Rosslare also as the goalies had to be cut from 4 to 3." Conal has had a knee procedure. Unless his da is making it up. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 05/02/2024 16:01:53 2524580 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Conal has had a knee procedure. Unless his da is making it up." A procedure, in November. Not surgery as you said. Unless Connall himself was making it up. countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 951 - 05/02/2024 16:46:05 2524593 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Our top players aren't aging exactly. Dee only turned 32 last month, Chin is 31 and O Hanlon is 32, Liam Ryan and Kevin Foley aren't even 30 yet. Rory and Damien are only 25/26. To put that into perspective David Burke is 34, Daithi is 31, McInerney is 33, Joseph Cooney is 32, Padraig mannion is 30, cathal mannion is 29, whelan is 27.Galways best players are similar age to ours if not a little older. TJ is 36. Horgan is 35. I don't think Matt is the answer at centre forward. As regards our half forward line being cleaned by some of the Munster counties why puck the ball there continuously in the 1st place? No other county does these days and Keith has us set up that we don't always have to either. I think high workrate, as you said, is more important than all 3 lads being tall these days. Tbh I thought we played the ball long too often when we had the wind in the 2nd half yesterday, especially in the last 15 or so minutes. All we got out of all that long ball was the equalising goal at the end. If we had of stayed mixing it up, and defended with a bit more cuteness, we mightve been a good bit up by then and not needed that goal at all and won the game. We did the same against Tipp in 2019. And against Clare in 2022. We went away from what was working against Tipp in Croker and kept going long after Lohan and Clare shut that door by dropping the halfbacks back in Thurles. Our most successful days in recent years have been when we used short and medium balls as well as the odd long one, and diagonal balls inside. Not sure if that was down to Fanning either time but in general his puckouts aren't great. He even put one straight out over the sideline again in the first half, though at least he didn't hit as many to unmarked opposition players as he has in the past." You are right they are nt that old but once over the 30 not every player can keep going to or willing to go to the well espevmxially given the demands in intr county you can give so much for so long life might just pass u by not every player is willing to keep going endlessly. The main point I m making is these are best crop for a while and Rossi is giving them the opportunity looking to the not too distant future we will need them and more . Onky staring to recover from the lack of new players introduced under Davy . Blending youth and experience is the key . But need physicality too as well as speed and skill. My only reason to consider Matt at c f is he is seriously physical and could potentially hinder the influence of dominant c back as well as being an option for puck outs as well as a play maker, modern game is different as you know I never meant the only option the more options the better . Varying short ,medium and long puck outs . And winning a fairly high percentage of each will give opposition no way of stopping it and would potentially give us more time and opportunity to get quality ball into forwards . Be it through the lines into space or long low or high . Creating time and space from puck out is the foundation to creativity and scores . . As well as savage workrate to turn teams over on theirs which can be even more destructive to morale of opposition . As you can see from reactions of hooping and hollering to demoralise opposition something I dont like personally but its all part of the physiological warfare . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 562 - 05/02/2024 17:08:22 2524598 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Conal has had a knee procedure. Unless his da is making it up." He has. He's had bother with the knee since he was underage. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19008 - 05/02/2024 17:09:31 2524599 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "That depends on who the opposition is. We generally play an extra defender. That's what it's for. Past his best no doubt, but Richie Kehoe would be a better hurler than chinner based on the criteria I've described" Chin has had to work hard to get where he is now because he started later. He's still where he is now though. Think Chin is better at winning high ball than Richie, aka high fielding, and is maybe better at striking off the ground, aka ground hurling. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19008 - 05/02/2024 17:11:56 2524600 Link
Hard to nail down starters at this stage but if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the following hurlers should be nailed-on providing they remain fit: Liam Ryan, Shane Reck, Conor Foley, Damien Reck, Cian Molloy, Lee Chin, Kevin Foley, Conor McDonald, and Rory O'Connor Then you have others who have a good chance of starting but aren't guaranteed such as CBD, Cian Byrne, Jack O'Connor, Simon Donohoe, and Conor Devitt GK situation is a bit fuzzy, am guessing all three will get starts in the league (Or at least they should) but splitting three GKs over five games makes it even harder to judge, will have to take their opportunities when they can ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1013 - 05/02/2024 17:49:13 2524605 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Chin has had to work hard to get where he is now because he started later. He's still where he is now though. Think Chin is better at winning high ball than Richie, aka high fielding, and is maybe better at striking off the ground, aka ground hurling." Lads each player has different strengths no matter what county panel you go to its how you knit them together that makes the difference uf we had all wrusty hurlers we would win nothing either .Let's just see where the year can take us one game at a time with a few tweaks in different games do as to keep everyone on their toes. Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 435 - 05/02/2024 18:01:53 2524608 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Chin has had to work hard to get where he is now because he started later. He's still where he is now though. Think Chin is better at winning high ball than Richie, aka high fielding, and is maybe better at striking off the ground, aka ground hurling." Started late because he excelled at football first. He now transcends the sport in the county and is a proper role model. beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1530 - 05/02/2024 18:04:28 2524610 Link
Replying To beano: "Started late because he excelled at football first. He now transcends the sport in the county and is a proper role model." He'd have been good at any sport. Great soccer player and a tidy boxer too Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 05/02/2024 19:04:18 2524622 Link