|
Replying To Fulgrim: "The 65 was so odd. We were right in front of the KK player who hit it. No one even near him to get a touch off it. So unless Fanning fucked up it definitely wasn't a 65.
Thought the ref generally let a lot go and let the game flow. Made the last free very strange given how he had been reffing the game. Such a soft free to give KK the win at the end, still can't believe Drennan missed it." The match was full of calls like that.
The first penalty foul wasn't inside the 21.
We beat them 2-12 to 7 from play. That was the story of the game.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 04/02/2024 21:45:20
2524378
Link
0
|
|
Couple of things from today:
Have said this for a couple of years but apart from Chin we don't have any consistent fielders of a high ball, McDonald shows glimpses of it as does Jack O'Connor but not on a near enough consistent basis.
I think Cian Byrne and Tucker Kinsella deserve a start next Saturday night - Tucker had a big influence on that game when he came on.
The goalkeeper position is still up for grabs imo, Fannings distribution in the first half on puck outs was questionable - which I believe goes hand in hand with my first point.
At some stage when Jippo is back I'd like to see Conor Foley moved out to Centre back with Reck moved to the wing.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 345 - 04/02/2024 21:55:01
2524384
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Doylerwex: "The match was full of calls like that.
The first penalty foul wasn't inside the 21.
We beat them 2-12 to 7 from play. That was the story of the game." Watched the highlights back on League Sunday. Don't think Damien was the last man either. Not a black card.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18998 - 04/02/2024 22:07:44
2524389
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Doylerwex: "The match was full of calls like that.
The first penalty foul wasn't inside the 21.
We beat them 2-12 to 7 from play. That was the story of the game." Can't just ignore our indiscipline. Handy frees given away at this level are scores on the board. Molloy had a daft yellow in first half for example, another clip and he's gone. We lost our shape at the back a bit late on, Reck doesn't need to pull Ryan down either on a yellow, force him onto his weak side. No point blaming the ref, in the main frees were hard won today and that will stand to our young players.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 534 - 04/02/2024 22:08:25
2524391
Link
0
|
|
Replying To OpenStandWall: "Couple of things from today:
Have said this for a couple of years but apart from Chin we don't have any consistent fielders of a high ball, McDonald shows glimpses of it as does Jack O'Connor but not on a near enough consistent basis.
I think Cian Byrne and Tucker Kinsella deserve a start next Saturday night - Tucker had a big influence on that game when he came on.
The goalkeeper position is still up for grabs imo, Fannings distribution in the first half on puck outs was questionable - which I believe goes hand in hand with my first point.
At some stage when Jippo is back I'd like to see Conor Foley moved out to Centre back with Reck moved to the wing." I wouldn't mind giving Liam Ryan a go at 6 when he gets back. Conor Foley was very impressive today, has bulked up a good bit over the winter. Read the game well too. If he continues to show this form through the league I wouldn't be moving him. I think Rossiter won't be letting lads walk back onto the team like in previous years, they will have to earn their spot as it should be.
Agreed on Fanning I'm afraid. Seemed to lose it distribution wise. Second half too, he launched three balls in a row down near their square where there was at least a couple of extra KK defenders.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 534 - 04/02/2024 22:36:36
2524406
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Viking66: "Watched the highlights back on League Sunday. Don't think Damien was the last man either. Not a black card." Watched league Sunday and it's pretty clear too that Billy Ryan wraps both his arms around Reck's and drags them both to the ground. Damien gave him the opportunity too in fairness and put the hurl arm in high enough for Ryan to buy his penalty.
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 279 - 04/02/2024 22:45:51
2524411
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Viking66: "Watched the highlights back on League Sunday. Don't think Damien was the last man either. Not a black card." Watched the highlights back too. Take back what I said. Both penalties in fairness.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 04/02/2024 22:50:17
2524413
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Timbertony: "Can't just ignore our indiscipline. Handy frees given away at this level are scores on the board. Molloy had a daft yellow in first half for example, another clip and he's gone. We lost our shape at the back a bit late on, Reck doesn't need to pull Ryan down either on a yellow, force him onto his weak side. No point blaming the ref, in the main frees were hard won today and that will stand to our young players." It was much harder for us to get frees generally today.
I take your point though. We need to find ways to win in spite of that if we're going to do anything
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 04/02/2024 22:52:07
2524414
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Timbertony: "Definitely the glass half full analysis there! Agreed on Conor Foley and the full back line generally was strong. Lost our shape badly for the second penalty and the first one was very naive defending. Anyway best to learn from that after the first league game. Defensive shape was better today than any game I saw last year. Reck solid at 6 though I was disappointed in McGuckian. Molloy much better when he dropped back to 7, he was lost at midfield.
As a game, it was typical early round league fare. Touch and striking miles off for both teams. Intensity lifted after the break for sure but not sure either side deserved to win either. When we played it short we looked at a lot better, lumping it long to likes of Jacko and Chin got minimal return. Kevin Foley played best I've seen him in a long time. Casey worked hard for sure but our forward line was very mixed. Kinsella and Byrne did well but Lawlor, Jacko and Chin were poor, Chin missed four chances alone in the first half including two terrible frees. Not sure about Fanning again either with his distribution and he got a fortunate enough free in second half after a poor touch.
What's the story with Rory O'Connor? Lots of the injured lads were there but didn't spot him." Molloy never played midfield despite wearing 9, was in the HB line all game, agree regarding the 2nd penalty, Rory was with the subs today and was in Carlow last week.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 00:44:32
2524443
Link
0
|
|
You'd have to happy enough on the whole with today, of the 20 players used 7 u22 and i think a 1st league start for both James Byrne and Niall Murphy, to play in that kind of atmosphere and intensity is so valuable for those players. Imagine the benefit for Eoin Ryan having to man mark Mullen, playing him inside was a clear ploy to me of Kilkenny targeting an inexperienced FB line but all 3 stood up well, Foley especially who was MOTM in my opinion and hasn't put a foot wrong the last 3 games, taught Molloy was immense in the 2nd half, refreshing to see a Wexford player with such a swagger and confidence. think Hearne and CBD going off relatively early was a case of getting fresh legs on, maybe on the GPS they were showing in the red zone, it was noticeable when Rossi managed the u20s using his bench was a big part of it, in the 2022 Leinster final it was unusual to see on an underage team where the lads coming on were the same standard as the lads starting, that day we brought on Josh Shiel, Liam Cassin, David Codd, Tucker Kinsella and JJ Twamley. In last years final it was Dylan Purcell, Twamley, Oisin Pepper and Darragh Farrell.
Taught the forwards struggled to make in roads at times, as a previous poster mentioned it was good to see the likes of Molloy, CBD, Foley, Cian Byrne and Tucker lead the thing when Chin was below his usual standard. Casey took his 3 scores very well on limited possession and the bounce from the bench was pleasing. Taught we were a bit flat in the 1st half Kilkenny seemed to be 1st to most breaking balls, we were probably lucky to be only 4 down at HT, I know Chin missed 2 frees and we were snuffed out for a couple of potential goal chances but KK hit some awful wides in the 1st half, we looked well set to push on after our 1st goal which in fairness was a horror show from a KK perspective. I taught the ref was fine for 50 mins but made some awful calls against us from there on, it wasn't even we were hard done by, it was KK were getting away with a ridiculous amount, wild pull by Mullen the sideline neither the ref or linesman do anything about it the play developes KK win a free, few mins later blanant foul on Kevin Foley not given KK clear the ball and end up getting the 1st penalty, blanant foul on Cian Byrne on 67 mins not given KK clear it and Mullen makes it 1-16 each, I hate being hard on refs as its an awful job but realistically KK scored 2-4 from 50 mins on and poor calls from the officials had a big bearing on 1-2 of it, for that alone the least we deserved was a draw.
If its a case we're picking from the same group of players as today I'd go with something like the below team vs Offaly.
Duggan or Lawlor
S Reck
Foley
Eoin Ryan
Donohoe
D Reck
Molloy
Hearne
Byrne Dunbar
Tucker
Chin
James Byrne
Cian Byrne
Casey
C Dunbar ( Dropping out to HF line as the extra man)
The likes of Niall Murphy, Richie Lawlor and Charlie have played 6 games since January 14th between Walsh Cup, Fitzgibbon and today so harm the likes of those getting a rest or cameo roles. Have Kevin Foley and Jacko on the bench incase it becomes a sticky wicket, don't think I'll ever take a game for granted mid game after the Westmeath debacle last year. Not sure where he is fitness wise but possibly might give Darragh Carley a start too if he's ready.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 02:15:29
2524446
Link
0
|
|
Saw League Sunday this morning and delighted to see them first up. Lively for February hurling. The first penalty looked very clumsy, 2nd one Billy Ryan knew to grab Recks hurl.
Good start and good to get a point and keep the upper hand on Kilkenny.
But only February.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1977 - 05/02/2024 03:24:30
2524448
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Doylerwex: "Fanning in the goal is not what's best.
For me, Aaron Duggan has performed best, but lawlor hasn't done much wrong either.
I think Shane Reck is the best man marker we have so he has to play.
Jippo is one of the best in the country, but doesn't necessarily have to be full back. Personally I think his game is better suited to the corner.
Foley has been amazing. If he keeps this up he has to start.
I'm not generally a big fan of Donohue, but he was probably our best defender last year.
Damien Reck is the best hurler we have bar none.
I think we have probably four players battling for 1 place.
Midfield could be Foley, Dee, Hearne, flood, or one of the lads that doesn't make the half back line.
Oisin Foley trained Wednesday night so he can't be too far off.
Up front assuming we have the full complement it's chinner, Rory, Foley (too good of a ball winner to not play).
The other 3 places will be very hard to pick which is a wonderful complaint." Read some of those points back -
Jippo in the corner? are you being serious? Thonk about it.
Reck is best hurler bar none- Rory or Lee?
Flood for midfield? gone off panel
A player who doesnt make half back line? So a player not good enough for a position move him up.
Do you attend any matches?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 951 - 05/02/2024 09:01:35
2524456
Link
0
|
|
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "You'd have to happy enough on the whole with today, of the 20 players used 7 u22 and i think a 1st league start for both James Byrne and Niall Murphy, to play in that kind of atmosphere and intensity is so valuable for those players. Imagine the benefit for Eoin Ryan having to man mark Mullen, playing him inside was a clear ploy to me of Kilkenny targeting an inexperienced FB line but all 3 stood up well, Foley especially who was MOTM in my opinion and hasn't put a foot wrong the last 3 games, taught Molloy was immense in the 2nd half, refreshing to see a Wexford player with such a swagger and confidence. think Hearne and CBD going off relatively early was a case of getting fresh legs on, maybe on the GPS they were showing in the red zone, it was noticeable when Rossi managed the u20s using his bench was a big part of it, in the 2022 Leinster final it was unusual to see on an underage team where the lads coming on were the same standard as the lads starting, that day we brought on Josh Shiel, Liam Cassin, David Codd, Tucker Kinsella and JJ Twamley. In last years final it was Dylan Purcell, Twamley, Oisin Pepper and Darragh Farrell.
Taught the forwards struggled to make in roads at times, as a previous poster mentioned it was good to see the likes of Molloy, CBD, Foley, Cian Byrne and Tucker lead the thing when Chin was below his usual standard. Casey took his 3 scores very well on limited possession and the bounce from the bench was pleasing. Taught we were a bit flat in the 1st half Kilkenny seemed to be 1st to most breaking balls, we were probably lucky to be only 4 down at HT, I know Chin missed 2 frees and we were snuffed out for a couple of potential goal chances but KK hit some awful wides in the 1st half, we looked well set to push on after our 1st goal which in fairness was a horror show from a KK perspective. I taught the ref was fine for 50 mins but made some awful calls against us from there on, it wasn't even we were hard done by, it was KK were getting away with a ridiculous amount, wild pull by Mullen the sideline neither the ref or linesman do anything about it the play developes KK win a free, few mins later blanant foul on Kevin Foley not given KK clear the ball and end up getting the 1st penalty, blanant foul on Cian Byrne on 67 mins not given KK clear it and Mullen makes it 1-16 each, I hate being hard on refs as its an awful job but realistically KK scored 2-4 from 50 mins on and poor calls from the officials had a big bearing on 1-2 of it, for that alone the least we deserved was a draw.
If its a case we're picking from the same group of players as today I'd go with something like the below team vs Offaly.
Duggan or Lawlor
S Reck
Foley
Eoin Ryan
Donohoe
D Reck
Molloy
Hearne
Byrne Dunbar
Tucker
Chin
James Byrne
Cian Byrne
Casey
C Dunbar ( Dropping out to HF line as the extra man)
The likes of Niall Murphy, Richie Lawlor and Charlie have played 6 games since January 14th between Walsh Cup, Fitzgibbon and today so harm the likes of those getting a rest or cameo roles. Have Kevin Foley and Jacko on the bench incase it becomes a sticky wicket, don't think I'll ever take a game for granted mid game after the Westmeath debacle last year. Not sure where he is fitness wise but possibly might give Darragh Carley a start too if he's ready." Not a bad selection TFW. Would still like to see Cathal Doyle get a good run, either start or off the bench, the lad has serious pace and an unbelievable scoring record at club level. Maybe when the ground gets harder would suit him better though.
As regards 1st League starts it wasn't just a 1st League start for Murphy and James Byrne, it was a 1st League start for Molloy, Ryan, and Byrne Dunbar, and I think Richie Lawlor also. Cian Byrne and Kinsella who came on are still waiting for their 1st League start.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18998 - 05/02/2024 09:19:51
2524458
Link
0
|
|
From that pull with Mullen I taught the ref gave Kilkenny every decision after something I think was said. Either way I think reck had to pull down billy ryan. The amount of third man tackles that went on aswell and maybe that is where a bit of cuteness comes into it and kk will have that in abundance is where we have to learn.
Penalties are never easy to save but taught fanning could have done better with them both. Maybe I'm a bit harsh on him. Someone was giving out about reck been too loose that's the position he's been told to play I would say deep lying centre back. Protect the full back line. I taught two foleys were very good in fairness.
Looking at both teams I would have taking a point in nowlan park. One concern I'd have about Connor hearne is that he takes 15 minutes to settle into the game same last year in every game.
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 05/02/2024 09:41:00
2524467
Link
0
|
|
Replying To countyman2022: "Read some of those points back -
Jippo in the corner? are you being serious? Thonk about it.
Reck is best hurler bar none- Rory or Lee?
Flood for midfield? gone off panel
A player who doesnt make half back line? So a player not good enough for a position move him up.
Do you attend any matches?" Yes. Jippo carries a decent threat going forward. You can hurl with more freedom in the corner and he's played there loads for is with Matt at 3.
Reck is the best hurler in Wexford. I don't know why that would need explanation.
Rory is unreal but injured most of the time.
Chin is the best all rounder we have in terms of athleticism and leadership but he's not even the best hurler in town nevermind the county.
You're reading the last part wrong. Firstly flood is still involved but recovering from knee surgery.
It's not a question of not making the half back line. It's a question of moving players around to meet the demands of the opposition. For example, playing Kilkenny we may need a big engine so would pick Hearne, playing Galway may need more physicality so could go with Molloy.
I have attended every competitive game for the last 30 years bar the COVID years. Also hundreds of training sessions.
I've hurled for Wexford from 14-minor
I've played senior club championship
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4373 - 05/02/2024 09:41:32
2524468
Link
0
|
|
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Molloy never played midfield despite wearing 9, was in the HB line all game, agree regarding the 2nd penalty, Rory was with the subs today and was in Carlow last week." Could have sworn Hearne played in HB line in first half! They were right in front of me. Molloy had a poor first half either way, Hearne a bit unfortunate to come off so early..was on a yellow I think. Corey showed some nice touches but overplayed the ball a few times. Will learn from it. Just think we lack a physical presence in midfield but don't see an obvious option.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 534 - 05/02/2024 10:06:59
2524478
Link
0
|
|
Decent start to the year good to see the younger lads getting the chance . It has to be that way as we gsd an aging panel .
I think Rossi has to start the transition now and keep playing the younger/newer lads . We don't have any option we ve had couple decent u20 teams past few years u either use them now or lose them or they ll quit won't hang around or improve if not given the opportunities they need to be exposed to the level asap toe see what they need to improve upon .
Out biggest worry is the physicality and size . We have really good average sized hurlers no great physical men who we can say the same about . Think Rossi has yo try find few bigger men for middle third for their ball winning in the air . Some of the munster teams would have field day in the air .
If no big men coming through we better start learning how break and win ball on consistent basis .
Half firward line especially needs to be vsll winners and high workrate .
Would matt o hanlon fit as a centre forward option with oisin Jacko chin as one of other in half forward line throw in a speedie stick man too for the breaks .
Chin matt rory
Chin matt oisin could work
Jacko matt rory
Chin matt james byrne/lawlor/foley/casey/tucker
Oisin matt jacko
U get the point chin could be I full forward line and come out around for vall winning if need
Our best asset so far this year is our work rate intensity from the newer lads something we ve acked in last few years at times. Let's hope if the newer lads break through for championship they don't rest in their selection . For that reason alone we need 22 to 25 who are up to level required
do keep everyone honest . If we can do that regardless of where we finish ( I do believe we can compete with at least 4 to 5 of the top 8 teams ). It will be progress .
Main point we dint have a choice we have to play these lads showing up well to have a future .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 562 - 05/02/2024 10:44:40
2524487
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Timbertony: "Could have sworn Hearne played in HB line in first half! They were right in front of me. Molloy had a poor first half either way, Hearne a bit unfortunate to come off so early..was on a yellow I think. Corey showed some nice touches but overplayed the ball a few times. Will learn from it. Just think we lack a physical presence in midfield but don't see an obvious option." Hearne was playing midfield but played the deeper of the 2, was the same in Carlow the week before.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 11:28:36
2524504
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Viking66: "Not a bad selection TFW. Would still like to see Cathal Doyle get a good run, either start or off the bench, the lad has serious pace and an unbelievable scoring record at club level. Maybe when the ground gets harder would suit him better though.
As regards 1st League starts it wasn't just a 1st League start for Murphy and James Byrne, it was a 1st League start for Molloy, Ryan, and Byrne Dunbar, and I think Richie Lawlor also. Cian Byrne and Kinsella who came on are still waiting for their 1st League start." Oh yeah i know they weren't the only 2 i was just making the point between the 2 of them and 7 players u22 we'd alot who will benefit massively from yesterday, as an aside the biggest body transformation i seen in any player was Billy Drennan, he must have been living in the gym over the winter.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 11:35:14
2524506
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Doylerwex: "Watched the highlights back too. Take back what I said. Both penalties in fairness." But a blanant foul on Kevin Foley not given in the build up to the 1st.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/02/2024 11:36:19
2524507
Link
0
|