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Wexford Hurling thread 2024

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Replying To beano:  "Its remarkable how we always play Kilkenny in our last game and Dublin in one of our first two, you'd swear it was pre-planned that way."
It most certainly is.

It's always us and kk and Dublin Galway defacto semi finals

Then the perceived bottom two in a relegation playoff

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3228 - 05/12/2024 22:47:16    2582567

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Chin and Rory are far too inconsistent in the games that matter for me. Rory was brilliant v Galway, maybe his best display for Wexford but in Antrim and KK he was anonymous. Against Clare, he was one of the few to front up before getting himself sent off (nobody else to blame). Chin was outstanding in the early games but hardly hit a ball v KK and CE. Agreed with viking, Im not a fan at all of him dropping into the full forward line. Other players take the easy way out then and lump it in his direction. Hope it isn't a case of management letting him play where he likes.

Damien Reck is a very talented player but absolutely not a 6. Antrim ran straight down the middle for their two goals. Id be putting Chin there next year, it helped Conlan extend his career by a few years. Also Liam Ryan can be a bit rash at times but I think he's every bit as good as the three above. He would be well able to play at 6 too but we have a big problem at 3 then. Need him fully fit next year to have any hope.

The league isn't too far off lads!"
Yeh I'd try Chin at 6 and keep Jippo at 3 and build your defence around them two lads.

It does take a ball winner out of the forwards but we also need to realise Chin ain't going to be around forever either.

There is a Leinster championship there for whoever wants it, Kilkenny and Galway are on somewhat of a rebuild, so Dublin and Wexford should both fancy
their chances of atleast making a Leinster final.

What is wrong with Wexford hurling that we make so few Leinster finals in what is essentially a 4 horse race every year??

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 835 - 05/12/2024 23:22:36    2582571

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Chin and Rory are far too inconsistent in the games that matter for me. Rory was brilliant v Galway, maybe his best display for Wexford but in Antrim and KK he was anonymous. Against Clare, he was one of the few to front up before getting himself sent off (nobody else to blame). Chin was outstanding in the early games but hardly hit a ball v KK and CE. Agreed with viking, Im not a fan at all of him dropping into the full forward line. Other players take the easy way out then and lump it in his direction. Hope it isn't a case of management letting him play where he likes.

Damien Reck is a very talented player but absolutely not a 6. Antrim ran straight down the middle for their two goals. Id be putting Chin there next year, it helped Conlan extend his career by a few years. Also Liam Ryan can be a bit rash at times but I think he's every bit as good as the three above. He would be well able to play at 6 too but we have a big problem at 3 then. Need him fully fit next year to have any hope.

The league isn't too far off lads!"
I'm really hoping Whelan and Kehoe make the step up from u20 next year. Both have been starting fullback for their clubs since they were 18, both are excellent players, and both are big too. Kehoe did well at 3 in the Colleges League Final last night for DCU against UL.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 06/12/2024 06:04:31    2582578

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Yeh I'd try Chin at 6 and keep Jippo at 3 and build your defence around them two lads.

It does take a ball winner out of the forwards but we also need to realise Chin ain't going to be around forever either.

There is a Leinster championship there for whoever wants it, Kilkenny and Galway are on somewhat of a rebuild, so Dublin and Wexford should both fancy
their chances of atleast making a Leinster final.

What is wrong with Wexford hurling that we make so few Leinster finals in what is essentially a 4 horse race every year??"
It doesn't really make any sense. Our record of qualification from the round robin is better than Dublin or Galway but we've only got one Leinster final out of it and beat the eventual winners more often than anybody else.

There are two major factors for us that Dublin and Galway are not falling for

1. In the last 3 years we've dropped points to Westmeath and Antrim. Nobody else is allowing that to happen.

2. Even when we're on top, Dublin seem to always find a way to nick the result.

It's doable, but if we've any ambition this year we simply cannot allow this to happen.

There will be a period in the Dublin game when we're on top. When that happens we just have to kill them off. I really thought 6 points was enough last year.

Offaly will be dying for a cut off us. We simply have to bully them.

Antrim the same. They'll be targeting us already. We just have to bring our a game.

For that reason I'm not at all worried about the league. Build the panel, build on the game plan, try not to get hammered and we finish where we finish.

It's all about the round robin for me this year.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3228 - 06/12/2024 08:45:32    2582586

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'm really hoping Whelan and Kehoe make the step up from u20 next year. Both have been starting fullback for their clubs since they were 18, both are excellent players, and both are big too. Kehoe did well at 3 in the Colleges League Final last night for DCU against UL."
That was a star studded UL team last night, atleast 7 of the team played in the Munster senior hurling championship last summer for good for Cian Byrne in goals, Kehoe full back and Darragh Carley corner forward to get exposed to a high level of colleges hurling before the Fitzgibbon kicks off after Christmas.

I wonder have Wexford many lads playing Fitzgibbon this year?

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 835 - 06/12/2024 09:01:02    2582588

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Yeh I'd try Chin at 6 and keep Jippo at 3 and build your defence around them two lads.

It does take a ball winner out of the forwards but we also need to realise Chin ain't going to be around forever either.

There is a Leinster championship there for whoever wants it, Kilkenny and Galway are on somewhat of a rebuild, so Dublin and Wexford should both fancy
their chances of atleast making a Leinster final.

What is wrong with Wexford hurling that we make so few Leinster finals in what is essentially a 4 horse race every year??"
It's obvious that what's coming up won't be good enough to challenge for major honours goin forward!!! With what has been a good group of players that reached its ceiling in 19 that's 5 years ago and we have seen a steady decline in all honesty!!! The lads coming through are just ok senior club hurlers notting special really and some average but are the best of a below average group!!! I think the selection of lee chin a centre back would be an absolute nightmare of a decision for wexford and would further damage our ambitions goin forward,Iv seen him play there with the Faythe Harriers against Crossabeg who beat them and was terrible also I heard from a barntown man that he got roasted by john lacey of barntown this year playing centre back in practice game a week or two out from championship!!! He's no john conlon!!! Liam Ryan fully fit is one of the best around at 3 and to be honest there's no replacement in my eyes!!!! We are trying to plug holes everywhere this year unfortunately and although on our day we can beat anyone but it's very rear now!!! I think this year might be the changing of the guard and we will learn harsh lessons especially in the league,but hopefully lads don't lose heart and stay going,learn and try be better for it!!! It definitely will be a tough year on us and maybe couple of years!!! There is no lee chin,Mac rory,Mathew, jippo ,dee, Liam og, kev Foyle coming to be honest and in general our standard of hurler after that Is a good bit off it from what iv seen!!! It is what it is we still have to battle away and see where it takes us,I just hope it's not down a level!!! With the draw the way it is this year we have to be on 4 points after the first two games to have a chance really,i hope we get no injuries or very few!! I hope rossi is going to be brave and throw as many young lads in as possible because it has to be about the future now and we need to let them see what takes!!!if that mean getting a few losses!!! We will learn and have to!!!!

theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 240 - 06/12/2024 09:08:53    2582590

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Replying To Past hurler:  "That was a star studded UL team last night, atleast 7 of the team played in the Munster senior hurling championship last summer for good for Cian Byrne in goals, Kehoe full back and Darragh Carley corner forward to get exposed to a high level of colleges hurling before the Fitzgibbon kicks off after Christmas.

I wonder have Wexford many lads playing Fitzgibbon this year?"
Carley was playing sweeper. I watched it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 06/12/2024 09:49:41    2582596

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Replying To Past hurler:  "That was a star studded UL team last night, atleast 7 of the team played in the Munster senior hurling championship last summer for good for Cian Byrne in goals, Kehoe full back and Darragh Carley corner forward to get exposed to a high level of colleges hurling before the Fitzgibbon kicks off after Christmas.

I wonder have Wexford many lads playing Fitzgibbon this year?"
Byrne and Kehoe played well

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 06/12/2024 09:54:22    2582597

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Replying To theboys:  "It's obvious that what's coming up won't be good enough to challenge for major honours goin forward!!! With what has been a good group of players that reached its ceiling in 19 that's 5 years ago and we have seen a steady decline in all honesty!!! The lads coming through are just ok senior club hurlers notting special really and some average but are the best of a below average group!!! I think the selection of lee chin a centre back would be an absolute nightmare of a decision for wexford and would further damage our ambitions goin forward,Iv seen him play there with the Faythe Harriers against Crossabeg who beat them and was terrible also I heard from a barntown man that he got roasted by john lacey of barntown this year playing centre back in practice game a week or two out from championship!!! He's no john conlon!!! Liam Ryan fully fit is one of the best around at 3 and to be honest there's no replacement in my eyes!!!! We are trying to plug holes everywhere this year unfortunately and although on our day we can beat anyone but it's very rear now!!! I think this year might be the changing of the guard and we will learn harsh lessons especially in the league,but hopefully lads don't lose heart and stay going,learn and try be better for it!!! It definitely will be a tough year on us and maybe couple of years!!! There is no lee chin,Mac rory,Mathew, jippo ,dee, Liam og, kev Foyle coming to be honest and in general our standard of hurler after that Is a good bit off it from what iv seen!!! It is what it is we still have to battle away and see where it takes us,I just hope it's not down a level!!! With the draw the way it is this year we have to be on 4 points after the first two games to have a chance really,i hope we get no injuries or very few!! I hope rossi is going to be brave and throw as many young lads in as possible because it has to be about the future now and we need to let them see what takes!!!if that mean getting a few losses!!! We will learn and have to!!!!"
That's a fairly pessimistic outlook overalls, although I do agree in part. We don't seem to have any superstars waiting to burst onto the scene unless we're counting 16 year olds and a lot can happen with them in the next couple of years.

Then again, not all of the lads you mentioned started off as big stars either.

Mogie did but he was sort of a late bloomer.

Dee was an average wing forward before he became a top back/midfielder

Matt wasn't a star at the beginning either

Chin was exciting but raw and was a sub. Then tried at CB and midfield before he became a top class forward.

Mac jippo and Rory were superstars from the start.

Our under 20s the last couple of years lost by a single score in Leinster finals to eventual all Ireland winners so there's players there.

The minors had some great results last year. There's players there.

The 14 and 16 teams more than held their own. There's players there.

I'd be hoping the less experienced lads will have learned those harsh lessons last year and will be lifting it up a step this year but we'll see.

The likes of Murphy, Foley, Molloy, Lawlor, hearne, Byrne, CBD etc. Will have gained a massive amount from last season.

There's no Mac, Chin or Rory in that but any of them could develop into a Dee or Mogie

Those great players we're talking about were getting hammered by Kilkenny, Cork, Waterford, Limerick, Clare etc. Before Liam Dunne got the breakthrough in 13/14 and then Davy came along.

My point is our starting point now is far higher than the Colm Bonner era. Lads like you were saying forget it we're Christy ring standard back then and look what happened within 2/3 years

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3228 - 06/12/2024 10:49:29    2582605

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion either. A standout player on good under age teams. He played two senior matches last year and was excellent in both of them.

Although from what I hear temperament is an issue."
A huge issue. He wont be an inter county hurler. Talent there yes. Unfortunately that doesnt get you there alone.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 06/12/2024 11:27:00    2582611

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "That's your view. Who are you proposing? Was Matt better at that level of experience?"
Yes, far and away. commitment wise, attitude, discipline and talent wise.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 06/12/2024 11:28:23    2582612

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Leinster is wide open for Wexford to win, I don't see Dublin competitive without Eoghan O'Donnell and the new manager is facing a total rebuild. Kilkenny are in rebuild mode, Galway too.
Wexford are blooding and partly in rebuild mode for me. Elder statesmen have had their day.
Leinster is wide open, but I don't see any of the 6 of us as All-Ireland hopefuls let alone probables.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1264 - 06/12/2024 14:03:12    2582636

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "That's a fairly pessimistic outlook overalls, although I do agree in part. We don't seem to have any superstars waiting to burst onto the scene unless we're counting 16 year olds and a lot can happen with them in the next couple of years.

Then again, not all of the lads you mentioned started off as big stars either.

Mogie did but he was sort of a late bloomer.

Dee was an average wing forward before he became a top back/midfielder

Matt wasn't a star at the beginning either

Chin was exciting but raw and was a sub. Then tried at CB and midfield before he became a top class forward.

Mac jippo and Rory were superstars from the start.

Our under 20s the last couple of years lost by a single score in Leinster finals to eventual all Ireland winners so there's players there.

The minors had some great results last year. There's players there.

The 14 and 16 teams more than held their own. There's players there.

I'd be hoping the less experienced lads will have learned those harsh lessons last year and will be lifting it up a step this year but we'll see.

The likes of Murphy, Foley, Molloy, Lawlor, hearne, Byrne, CBD etc. Will have gained a massive amount from last season.

There's no Mac, Chin or Rory in that but any of them could develop into a Dee or Mogie

Those great players we're talking about were getting hammered by Kilkenny, Cork, Waterford, Limerick, Clare etc. Before Liam Dunne got the breakthrough in 13/14 and then Davy came along.

My point is our starting point now is far higher than the Colm Bonner era. Lads like you were saying forget it we're Christy ring standard back then and look what happened within 2/3 years"
Mogie and Matt have Leinster u21 Football medals in their collections of awards.
The u14As and u16As both reached their A finals this year, and were competitive in both of them. The u15As won the Arrabawn A shield, which I guess makes them the 5th best u15 team this year, although they beat some of the A Cup semifinalists this year also.
Our minors beat both Kilkennys and Corks minors well in championship games, they were ahead by more than 10 points in both games.
We have multiple good prospects in the 18-23 age groups also, including lads who reached leinster u20 finals which they lost by less than a score.
Our Seniors missed a winnable Leinster Final by the 2 yards of a bad penalty call.
It's hard to understand the negativity sometimes Moriarty ;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 06/12/2024 16:36:45    2582651

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Leinster is wide open for Wexford to win, I don't see Dublin competitive without Eoghan O'Donnell and the new manager is facing a total rebuild. Kilkenny are in rebuild mode, Galway too.
Wexford are blooding and partly in rebuild mode for me. Elder statesmen have had their day.
Leinster is wide open, but I don't see any of the 6 of us as All-Ireland hopefuls let alone probables."
Not wanting to sound negative about our province but all of us are behind Limerick, Cork and Clare. Don't think there's anything between most of us and Waterford and Tipp though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 06/12/2024 16:38:48    2582653

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not wanting to sound negative about our province but all of us are behind Limerick, Cork and Clare. Don't think there's anything between most of us and Waterford and Tipp though."
These things are very hard to judge.

If Kilkenny were in Munster do you think they wouldn't finish in the top 3?

I just couldn't see them losing to three Munster teams in the one season.

On the other hand if Tipp and Waterford were in Leinster would we be under pressure? Absolutely.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3228 - 07/12/2024 07:12:49    2582692

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "These things are very hard to judge.

If Kilkenny were in Munster do you think they wouldn't finish in the top 3?

I just couldn't see them losing to three Munster teams in the one season.

On the other hand if Tipp and Waterford were in Leinster would we be under pressure? Absolutely."
While we are all behind those 3 counties, and I include Tipp and Waterford in that "we", any one of us could beat any of the 3 next year if in form. This year, We had clawed ourselves back level with Clare twice before Rory got sent off, and then again before they got their man back after the black card. And if Dublin had of played with the same belief/abandon that they did in the last quarter for the first 3 quarters against Cork they might have won.
Waterford should've at least drawn with Clare but for a mistake by the officials, and beat Cork.
If Tipp and Waterford were in Leinster it would make for some championship. I'm all for the Provincials, being a small c conservative kind of lad, but there's alot of merit to the idea of running them as straight knockout and having open draw round Robins for the AI.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 07/12/2024 10:36:22    2582702

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "These things are very hard to judge.

If Kilkenny were in Munster do you think they wouldn't finish in the top 3?

I just couldn't see them losing to three Munster teams in the one season.

On the other hand if Tipp and Waterford were in Leinster would we be under pressure? Absolutely."
While we are all behind those 3 counties, and I include Tipp and Waterford in that "we", any one of us could beat any of the 3 next year if in form. This year, We had clawed ourselves back level with Clare twice before Rory got sent off, and then again before they got their man back after the black card. And if Dublin had of played with the same belief/abandon that they did in the last quarter for the first 3 quarters against Cork they might have won.
Waterford should've at least drawn with Clare but for a mistake by the officials, and beat Cork.
If Tipp and Waterford were in Leinster it would make for some championship. I'm all for the Provincials, being a small c conservative kind of lad, but there's alot of merit to the idea of running them as straight knockout and having open draw round Robins for the AI.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 07/12/2024 10:36:31    2582703

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That's a really exciting Leinster Junior Final! Great game to watch. Goal chances both ends
all through the 1st half. Castletown up by 1 at halftime, though St Lachtains will have the wind in the 2nd half. All to play for! Well worth buying it on clubber if you are at a loose end.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 08/12/2024 14:07:53    2582771

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I think wexford clubs for the first time in a while can hold their heads up high and hopefully a decent sign for the future and hopefully rathnure will push on next week. Hoping to get to tullamore next week only an hour down the road from where I am

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 08/12/2024 15:11:55    2582777

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Exciting finish hard luck to Castletown I feel if they had of equalised they would've won in ET. Beano is right, plenty of hurling in young Higgins, Daly O'Toole and Kennedy were very good too. All over the pitch the Castletown lads weren't found wanting for intensity and commitment.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14127 - 08/12/2024 16:40:26    2582784

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