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Replying To StoreysTash: "Viking,
There is no point in "they beat them by a point and they beat us by a point so that makes us 2 points off them". If you apply that to the n-th degree, Carlow are as good as Clare because they drew with Kilkenny who Clare only beat by a couple of points.
Here is what matters :
1. Who picks up the cups at the end of the championship.
2. Nothing here
Everything, absolutely everything else falls in to the "if me granny had balls....." category because nothing else matters. How any team got there is unimportant. Clare picked up the cup and they were a 65 away from maybe not getting out of Munster if I am remembering right.
Wexford need to stop clutching at straws and start asking why we are not getting over the line these teams and start standing up for themselves. They should simply have refused to play that quarter final at 2pm in Thurles and given a walk over if needed.
Rossi should be getting on to the referees committee to explain why Johnny Murphy booked Rory O'Connor and a similar tackle in the semi final went completely unpunished. Yesterday, Tony Kelly got chopped down on similar to Rory's 2nd yellow and was holding his hand. Nothing given. Why are we getting treated so badly by referees and why don't we stand up for ourselves and become sore losers because being loved by everyone and everybodys 2nd favourite team is getting us nowhere.
We need answers to why we are doing so badly at schools hurling OVERALL and don't start with "Peters beat Kierans in 2021" or pointing at one off results as if it matters. It doesn't. What matters is who picked up the cup.
These things can turn around quickly and Clare have shipped some bad hammerings at u20 and u21 in 2017/18 (I know because a good friend was hurling for Limerick team who beat them both years) yet several of that team won All-Ireland medals yesterday. Diarmuid Ryan, Jason McCarthy, Aidan McCarthy are 3 I know off the top of my head.
What worries me more in Wexford is where are the minor and u20 "stars" and I don't believe we've had a star u20 since Conor McDonald. We have had very good players and some are pushing on to become better players, but we've had no "wow" player since him. That is not to diss any player, its a hard game but my point is I don't think at club or county Wexford hurl at the intensity of the top counties and no way could Wexford replicate the intensity of yesterday for 90 minutes as Clare needed to do yesterday. Our clubs record in Leinster is brutal and we lose to clubs from Offaly and Laois routinely which says it all about our club standard." As regards club championships Antrim clubs have more AIs won than clubs from Wexford, Waterford or Limerick, and the same number as clubs from Dublin and Clare. Offaly clubs have more won than clubs from Tipp.
What does all that mean as regards Senior Intercounty hurling? Absolutely nothing. Galway clubs have the joint most won, so if Club championships were such a good indicator why have they only won 1 AI senior intercounty title in the last 35 odd years? They also have the most minor AIs this millennium.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/07/2024 17:16:56
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Its all conjecture Viking66.
Did you see Cork v Dublin and compare it to Cork v Limerick either day or yesterday? Or Clare v Wexford compared to yesterday? Worlds apart.
As Storeytash says, all that matters is who won at the end of it. Clare won't remember the quarter final v Wexford, or even the semi final v Kilkenny which was poor. They will remember yesterday and that is all that is worth remembering." Yes for sure. And I was delighted for them. It was the result of years of hard work put in at underage. Limerick were the 1st county to put in those types of underage structures, followed by Clare, and then this decade by us. We are a few years behind Limerick and Clare. We need to up our game in the u10-u12 age groups now. We started last winter. Hopefully we will continue this winter. Limerick and Clare are a few years ahead of us. It depends on the clubs, and in particular on coaches willing to volunteer their time. I did last winter. I will do again this winter, as will a good few other coaches from last winter. We need more though. We are ahead of all the other counties at this though. We need to drive on.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/07/2024 17:23:31
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Replying To Viking66: "Maybe they would've won it by a puck of a ball if she had of been still there though is Doylers point? Who knows....." Cork beat them because Limerick panicked and mixed chances that they wouldn't have in previous years. I'm not saying it's 100% the reason but it's not outrageous to say it could be a factor.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 22/07/2024 18:01:39
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Replying To Viking66: "Yes for sure. And I was delighted for them. It was the result of years of hard work put in at underage. Limerick were the 1st county to put in those types of underage structures, followed by Clare, and then this decade by us. We are a few years behind Limerick and Clare. We need to up our game in the u10-u12 age groups now. We started last winter. Hopefully we will continue this winter. Limerick and Clare are a few years ahead of us. It depends on the clubs, and in particular on coaches willing to volunteer their time. I did last winter. I will do again this winter, as will a good few other coaches from last winter. We need more though. We are ahead of all the other counties at this though. We need to drive on." Are we ahead of other counties at under age tho? Wheres our Leinsters in minor or u20s, damn it wheres our age grades titles from u14 up?
If you think only Limerick and Clare are ahead of us you must not have been paying attention to Cork, even Offally are ahead of us at developing players at the moment.
In fact I'd nearly say most counties are doing better than us bar Waterford. In Leinster you can put Kk, Dublin. Galway and Offally all ahead of us in under age. You might say success isn't everything at underage but it clearly is.
As for For Munster they're all ahead of us bar Waterford. Sure we got the odd result underage against Kk, Cork recently but they go on to challenge for the honours and bring through loads of players seemingly faster than we do. We got an injection of youth this year and I can't remember the last time that happened. Probably during Liam Dunnes tenure
Huge credit to yourself and anyone else doing the work during winter at underage, actually Thanks for doing.that from a Wexford supporter....I just don't agree with your overly optimistic point of view on our underage structures.
WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 22/07/2024 18:33:49
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Replying To Viking66: "As regards club championships Antrim clubs have more AIs won than clubs from Wexford, Waterford or Limerick, and the same number as clubs from Dublin and Clare. Offaly clubs have more won than clubs from Tipp.
What does all that mean as regards Senior Intercounty hurling? Absolutely nothing. Galway clubs have the joint most won, so if Club championships were such a good indicator why have they only won 1 AI senior intercounty title in the last 35 odd years? They also have the most minor AIs this millennium." Viking, you only address one aspect of Tash's post! And in that, your reply deflects from what I believe are crucially valid points that he makes.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 22/07/2024 20:31:36
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Replying To WEXILE: "Are we ahead of other counties at under age tho? Wheres our Leinsters in minor or u20s, damn it wheres our age grades titles from u14 up?
If you think only Limerick and Clare are ahead of us you must not have been paying attention to Cork, even Offally are ahead of us at developing players at the moment.
In fact I'd nearly say most counties are doing better than us bar Waterford. In Leinster you can put Kk, Dublin. Galway and Offally all ahead of us in under age. You might say success isn't everything at underage but it clearly is.
As for For Munster they're all ahead of us bar Waterford. Sure we got the odd result underage against Kk, Cork recently but they go on to challenge for the honours and bring through loads of players seemingly faster than we do. We got an injection of youth this year and I can't remember the last time that happened. Probably during Liam Dunnes tenure
Huge credit to yourself and anyone else doing the work during winter at underage, actually Thanks for doing.that from a Wexford supporter....I just don't agree with your overly optimistic point of view on our underage structures." Don't think it's fair to say Offaly are ahead of us at under-age level, they've produced one team who are better than any team we have produced but that said, our U20s went very close to them last year (Albeit they had a lot of 18yos playing) plus our under-age results both before and after their star team have been better than their results
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Viking, you only address one aspect of Tash's post! And in that, your reply deflects from what I believe are crucially valid points that he makes." Jumped the gun again Mr Young! Storeystash gets onto me if my replies are too long. So I break them up these days:-D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/07/2024 22:15:45
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Cork beat them because Limerick panicked and mixed chances that they wouldn't have in previous years. I'm not saying it's 100% the reason but it's not outrageous to say it could be a factor." I think it could be too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/07/2024 22:16:25
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Replying To WEXILE: "Are we ahead of other counties at under age tho? Wheres our Leinsters in minor or u20s, damn it wheres our age grades titles from u14 up?
If you think only Limerick and Clare are ahead of us you must not have been paying attention to Cork, even Offally are ahead of us at developing players at the moment.
In fact I'd nearly say most counties are doing better than us bar Waterford. In Leinster you can put Kk, Dublin. Galway and Offally all ahead of us in under age. You might say success isn't everything at underage but it clearly is.
As for For Munster they're all ahead of us bar Waterford. Sure we got the odd result underage against Kk, Cork recently but they go on to challenge for the honours and bring through loads of players seemingly faster than we do. We got an injection of youth this year and I can't remember the last time that happened. Probably during Liam Dunnes tenure
Huge credit to yourself and anyone else doing the work during winter at underage, actually Thanks for doing.that from a Wexford supporter....I just don't agree with your overly optimistic point of view on our underage structures." Offaly have produced one good team at underage in 20 years. Our minors won comfortably in Faithful Fields this year.
But I think you might be missing the point about development, and where we as a county are at with it. None of last years A.S.H. programme lads are going to be playing minor til 4 or 5 years time, and even if they do end up playing minor there's no guarantee that they will all play Senior. In fact it's guaranteed that they won't. The whole point though is that if you raise the general standard and increase the number of players with access to better, and more months, coaching, then statistically you increase the likelihood of developing more top hurlers down the line.
Another thing to bear in mind is that underage AI titles don't neccessarily lead to All Irelands, especially minor ones. None of the current Limerick side won an AI minor medal, while Galways minors won 4 in a row only from 8 to 4 years ago, and none of these lads look likely to win an AI anytime soon. In fact only 2 lads off those 4 teams were even on their Senior Championship 26 this year a friend involved with Galway told me.
At the same time I do think it's important we become more competitive at minor and u20. Some changes need to be made that are being prevented by the clubs, and schools to a lesser extent. For example our u16s only do 1 session a week on a pitch, and start back later than Limericks and Clares, nearly 2 months later in the year. Clare and Limerick also provide more winter hurling training to more different age groups than we do currently. We only started this last winter with the A.S.H. scheme for u12s. But to do this for more age groups we need more club coaches to volunteer their time. Not easy to get these. Even Wicklows u16 hurlers are together 3 times a week. U16 is an important lead in to minor, which is only common sense really.
Other changes which are being made include hopefully raising the standard of coaching we as a county can give our young lads, both at club and county level. County Board are subsidising coaching courses for club coaches, sadly these aren't oversubscribed tbh.
The most important change I feel needs to be made is the number of children who actually go around with their hurls the whole time. This has noticeably dwindled since the last time we were genuinely successful back in the 60s I've been told by older friends. Apart from parents encouraging their kids, the next best thing would be some sustained Senior success. We are caught in a vicious spiral as far as this goes though, as to get Senior success we need more top hurlers.
We have plenty more to do, and Rome wasn't built in a day. At times it feels like moving a mountain with a teaspoon, but if enough people get their teaspoons out, the faster the mountain will be moved.
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Replying To Viking66: "Offaly have produced one good team at underage in 20 years. Our minors won comfortably in Faithful Fields this year.
But I think you might be missing the point about development, and where we as a county are at with it. None of last years A.S.H. programme lads are going to be playing minor til 4 or 5 years time, and even if they do end up playing minor there's no guarantee that they will all play Senior. In fact it's guaranteed that they won't. The whole point though is that if you raise the general standard and increase the number of players with access to better, and more months, coaching, then statistically you increase the likelihood of developing more top hurlers down the line.
Another thing to bear in mind is that underage AI titles don't neccessarily lead to All Irelands, especially minor ones. None of the current Limerick side won an AI minor medal, while Galways minors won 4 in a row only from 8 to 4 years ago, and none of these lads look likely to win an AI anytime soon. In fact only 2 lads off those 4 teams were even on their Senior Championship 26 this year a friend involved with Galway told me.
At the same time I do think it's important we become more competitive at minor and u20. Some changes need to be made that are being prevented by the clubs, and schools to a lesser extent. For example our u16s only do 1 session a week on a pitch, and start back later than Limericks and Clares, nearly 2 months later in the year. Clare and Limerick also provide more winter hurling training to more different age groups than we do currently. We only started this last winter with the A.S.H. scheme for u12s. But to do this for more age groups we need more club coaches to volunteer their time. Not easy to get these. Even Wicklows u16 hurlers are together 3 times a week. U16 is an important lead in to minor, which is only common sense really.
Other changes which are being made include hopefully raising the standard of coaching we as a county can give our young lads, both at club and county level. County Board are subsidising coaching courses for club coaches, sadly these aren't oversubscribed tbh.
The most important change I feel needs to be made is the number of children who actually go around with their hurls the whole time. This has noticeably dwindled since the last time we were genuinely successful back in the 60s I've been told by older friends. Apart from parents encouraging their kids, the next best thing would be some sustained Senior success. We are caught in a vicious spiral as far as this goes though, as to get Senior success we need more top hurlers.
We have plenty more to do, and Rome wasn't built in a day. At times it feels like moving a mountain with a teaspoon, but if enough people get their teaspoons out, the faster the mountain will be moved." A lot of work to be done but my thinking is if Clare can do it why cant we? We have a bigger population and one more all Ireland than them. Any time we play them its generally close barring this years sending off. The focus has to be producing 3 or 4 young hurlers in each age group that are good enough to become top quality inter county hurlers. We have blooded a lot of lads this year and we have to hope that Eoin Ryan, Conor Foley , Cian Byrne , Corey Byrne Dunbar , Tucker , Cian Molloy etc really push on next year now they have been exposed to senior inter county hurling.
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Replying To Viking66: "Offaly have produced one good team at underage in 20 years. Our minors won comfortably in Faithful Fields this year.
But I think you might be missing the point about development, and where we as a county are at with it. None of last years A.S.H. programme lads are going to be playing minor til 4 or 5 years time, and even if they do end up playing minor there's no guarantee that they will all play Senior. In fact it's guaranteed that they won't. The whole point though is that if you raise the general standard and increase the number of players with access to better, and more months, coaching, then statistically you increase the likelihood of developing more top hurlers down the line.
Another thing to bear in mind is that underage AI titles don't neccessarily lead to All Irelands, especially minor ones. None of the current Limerick side won an AI minor medal, while Galways minors won 4 in a row only from 8 to 4 years ago, and none of these lads look likely to win an AI anytime soon. In fact only 2 lads off those 4 teams were even on their Senior Championship 26 this year a friend involved with Galway told me.
At the same time I do think it's important we become more competitive at minor and u20. Some changes need to be made that are being prevented by the clubs, and schools to a lesser extent. For example our u16s only do 1 session a week on a pitch, and start back later than Limericks and Clares, nearly 2 months later in the year. Clare and Limerick also provide more winter hurling training to more different age groups than we do currently. We only started this last winter with the A.S.H. scheme for u12s. But to do this for more age groups we need more club coaches to volunteer their time. Not easy to get these. Even Wicklows u16 hurlers are together 3 times a week. U16 is an important lead in to minor, which is only common sense really.
Other changes which are being made include hopefully raising the standard of coaching we as a county can give our young lads, both at club and county level. County Board are subsidising coaching courses for club coaches, sadly these aren't oversubscribed tbh.
The most important change I feel needs to be made is the number of children who actually go around with their hurls the whole time. This has noticeably dwindled since the last time we were genuinely successful back in the 60s I've been told by older friends. Apart from parents encouraging their kids, the next best thing would be some sustained Senior success. We are caught in a vicious spiral as far as this goes though, as to get Senior success we need more top hurlers.
We have plenty more to do, and Rome wasn't built in a day. At times it feels like moving a mountain with a teaspoon, but if enough people get their teaspoons out, the faster the mountain will be moved." With regard to a few of your points Viking;
1. Senior team - I'm no fortune teller, but unless we win Leinster at some time in the next 2/3 years it will be very hard to see us even making the semi finals at any stage. There are too many inconsistencies in our play/results vs that of say Limerick,Clare, Cork. As I mentioned the other day to have success the capitulations vs Dublin and Antrim can't be accepted, I'd probably even throw the spell in the Kilkenny game in there after McDonalds goal til about the 55th min. When they all but took Chin and Rory out of the game we were fairly rudderless. I still think we're too small and not powerful enough from 5-12 compared to the top counties with Chin being the exception when he's out the field and Jack the odd day.
2. Underage - Minor and u16 are incredibly important in terms of development , but I think u20/21 is the age group where a person can really say if a player will be up to the standard of playing senior inter county.
I always felt that if we were to have any chance of winning a senior AI with the current crop, one of those Leinster title wins from 2013-15 would need to have yielded an All Ireland win at that grade, tbh both of those finals were all but over with 10 mins left, Clare have 4/5 players from Sunday that would have been the backbone of those teams from the 2010s and I believe 12 of the Limerick team that hammered us in 2015 are apart of their current set up a few of who won a title in 2017 also.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 144 - 23/07/2024 17:41:46
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Replying To Afinestick96: "A lot of work to be done but my thinking is if Clare can do it why cant we? We have a bigger population and one more all Ireland than them. Any time we play them its generally close barring this years sending off. The focus has to be producing 3 or 4 young hurlers in each age group that are good enough to become top quality inter county hurlers. We have blooded a lot of lads this year and we have to hope that Eoin Ryan, Conor Foley , Cian Byrne , Corey Byrne Dunbar , Tucker , Cian Molloy etc really push on next year now they have been exposed to senior inter county hurling." Exactly my point Afinestick.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 23/07/2024 19:40:28
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "With regard to a few of your points Viking;
1. Senior team - I'm no fortune teller, but unless we win Leinster at some time in the next 2/3 years it will be very hard to see us even making the semi finals at any stage. There are too many inconsistencies in our play/results vs that of say Limerick,Clare, Cork. As I mentioned the other day to have success the capitulations vs Dublin and Antrim can't be accepted, I'd probably even throw the spell in the Kilkenny game in there after McDonalds goal til about the 55th min. When they all but took Chin and Rory out of the game we were fairly rudderless. I still think we're too small and not powerful enough from 5-12 compared to the top counties with Chin being the exception when he's out the field and Jack the odd day.
2. Underage - Minor and u16 are incredibly important in terms of development , but I think u20/21 is the age group where a person can really say if a player will be up to the standard of playing senior inter county.
I always felt that if we were to have any chance of winning a senior AI with the current crop, one of those Leinster title wins from 2013-15 would need to have yielded an All Ireland win at that grade, tbh both of those finals were all but over with 10 mins left, Clare have 4/5 players from Sunday that would have been the backbone of those teams from the 2010s and I believe 12 of the Limerick team that hammered us in 2015 are apart of their current set up a few of who won a title in 2017 also." Agree u20 is the closest indicator of whether a player will make Senior or not. Most lads who hurl minor never hurl Senior, while others who don't hurl minor make good Senior players. Pretty sure Eoin Ryan and Shane Reck didn't start minor games for Wexford, although that's from memory so I could be wrong.
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "With regard to a few of your points Viking;
1. Senior team - I'm no fortune teller, but unless we win Leinster at some time in the next 2/3 years it will be very hard to see us even making the semi finals at any stage. There are too many inconsistencies in our play/results vs that of say Limerick,Clare, Cork. As I mentioned the other day to have success the capitulations vs Dublin and Antrim can't be accepted, I'd probably even throw the spell in the Kilkenny game in there after McDonalds goal til about the 55th min. When they all but took Chin and Rory out of the game we were fairly rudderless. I still think we're too small and not powerful enough from 5-12 compared to the top counties with Chin being the exception when he's out the field and Jack the odd day.
2. Underage - Minor and u16 are incredibly important in terms of development , but I think u20/21 is the age group where a person can really say if a player will be up to the standard of playing senior inter county.
I always felt that if we were to have any chance of winning a senior AI with the current crop, one of those Leinster title wins from 2013-15 would need to have yielded an All Ireland win at that grade, tbh both of those finals were all but over with 10 mins left, Clare have 4/5 players from Sunday that would have been the backbone of those teams from the 2010s and I believe 12 of the Limerick team that hammered us in 2015 are apart of their current set up a few of who won a title in 2017 also." I think our chance of a Leinster win went this year with this group of players to be honest. It was all there for us really, much better manager/coach, encouraging league, better squad and less injuries. Galway were rudderless this year, Dublin average at best, KK competitive as always but not outstanding. We still couldn't even make the final. Even after the shameful performance in Antrim, late collapse v Dublin, it was still there for us that day in KK. But when chips were down, too many wilted. Big knock out game v Clare and we were fortunate the game wasn't over after 20 mins. Huge problems down the spine of that team (3,6, 9,11,14) when the pace lifts in a knockout game and very hard for a young player to step into a key position.
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OpenStandWall has got it in one.
We HAVE to be winning Leinster because inevitably we'll be playing a top Munster team in Quarter Final. So we have to be beating Kilkenny or Galway in Leinster Final.
I don't agree with you at all Viking66 that club championship doesn't matter to county teams. Ballyhale show the value of being the top club hurling team over the last couple of decades. Hurling at a higher level makes better players across the board. Galway have played in multiple All-Irelands in the 28 years since we have been there. Yes they lost, but they were in them. A higher standard of club hurling generates a higher standard of championship which generates a higher standard of county player. The best club championship I ever played in was in Boston.
Somebody said Offaly had a lot of 18 year olds v Wexford last year, we had a lot underage again this year and the whole setup was a disgrace to everybody involved and I hope this disaster is examined by the county board, warts and all.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "OpenStandWall has got it in one.
We HAVE to be winning Leinster because inevitably we'll be playing a top Munster team in Quarter Final. So we have to be beating Kilkenny or Galway in Leinster Final.
I don't agree with you at all Viking66 that club championship doesn't matter to county teams. Ballyhale show the value of being the top club hurling team over the last couple of decades. Hurling at a higher level makes better players across the board. Galway have played in multiple All-Irelands in the 28 years since we have been there. Yes they lost, but they were in them. A higher standard of club hurling generates a higher standard of championship which generates a higher standard of county player. The best club championship I ever played in was in Boston.
Somebody said Offaly had a lot of 18 year olds v Wexford last year, we had a lot underage again this year and the whole setup was a disgrace to everybody involved and I hope this disaster is examined by the county board, warts and all." Agree 100% about your last paragraph. Posted that at the time. Lads who did OK last year at u20 went backwards this year.
I didn't say club championship doesn't matter, our local club championship standard is hugely important. What I said was that winning club all irelands doesn't mean your county will win county all irelands. If it did why haven't Antrim ever won one, and why aren't Waterford regularly competing in them and winning the odd one, when they have one of the best club sides in Ireland at the minute? St Thomas have been one of the best club sides in Ireland the last few years, and won the ladt AI club title, but in that time Galway have failed to get out of the Leinster Championship Round Robin twice, and were woeful in 2021 as well.
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Galway and Kilkenny both rebuilding. Dublin depends on who takes them over but I'm fairly sure we've better hurlers.
We'll probably lose 3 experienced players who didn't play a huge role this year anyway.
I also think our forward unit functioned much better without Chinner although he is amazing we're looking for him all the time when he's there which probably cost us a few times.
Byrne, Byrne Dunbar, Foley, Ryan etc. Have a full year at the top level now. Molloy unlucky to miss out but he's a proper talent. One of the best we've had in a while potentially.
Next year you could have
Duggan (best keeper we have followed by lawlor)
E Ryan
L Ryan
S Reck
C Foley
P Foley
D Reck
Hearne
Carty
Jacko
Chin
O Foley
Byrne
Mac
Rory
Molloy, flood, lawlor, Murphy, Mahoney, doran, tucker, Byrne Dunbar, Dunbar, Cullen, Charlie, Devitt, Darragh Carley o Hagan possibly in the mix.
Add the likes of oisin Moore, Sean o Brien, Jack Dunne, Luke Murphy, Darragh kehoe, Sean Rowley in around the panel too.
Obviously not picking out best team at this stage but in theory it's a stronger panel than last year, and one certainly capable of being in a Leinster final for 25 depending on the cards we're dealt. We were very patchy this year and missed out by one score.
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I think it is overly negative as well DoyleWex.
Wexford just need to get the knack of seeing out matches, not conceding 2 goals like they did v us. And just beating the likes of Antrim because they are better hurlers.
And as someone said above, start standing up for yourselves. Nobody has your back in competitive sport. Demand answers as to why their request months in advance of the quarter final fell on deaf ears. Demand answers to the questionable refereeing decisions. Demand answers as to why the linesman didn't tell Johnny Murphy the players were encroaching at the start of the Clare game. Demand answers about the u20 farce. Figure out the schools hurling situation
and find out HOW a combined colleges SHOULD be structured to work. Find out how Offaly made it work.
Because if you tolerate this, then your children will be next as the song goes.
But I am adamant the whole of Leinster is trailing Munster so everybody in the whole province and Galway need to up our game. Only Kilkenny can hold their head high and even they would view the year as a disappointment with their 2nd half display v Clare. If Wexford got that far and lost it would be "great year, won Leinster, fell short in semi" but Kilkenny bar is on one thing. "Did we bring home Liam McCarthy"? And anything else is a failure.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 24/07/2024 11:40:06
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Replying To Doylerwex: "That's a pretty pessimistic outlook I think. It was very much there for the taking and we've both called out what's wrong but I'd be very hopeful that we'll come on next year. Rossi will have learned a lot.
Galway and Kilkenny both rebuilding. Dublin depends on who takes them over but I'm fairly sure we've better hurlers.
We'll probably lose 3 experienced players who didn't play a huge role this year anyway.
I also think our forward unit functioned much better without Chinner although he is amazing we're looking for him all the time when he's there which probably cost us a few times.
Byrne, Byrne Dunbar, Foley, Ryan etc. Have a full year at the top level now. Molloy unlucky to miss out but he's a proper talent. One of the best we've had in a while potentially.
Next year you could have
Duggan (best keeper we have followed by lawlor)
E Ryan
L Ryan
S Reck
C Foley
P Foley
D Reck
Hearne
Carty
Jacko
Chin
O Foley
Byrne
Mac
Rory
Molloy, flood, lawlor, Murphy, Mahoney, doran, tucker, Byrne Dunbar, Dunbar, Cullen, Charlie, Devitt, Darragh Carley o Hagan possibly in the mix.
Add the likes of oisin Moore, Sean o Brien, Jack Dunne, Luke Murphy, Darragh kehoe, Sean Rowley in around the panel too.
Obviously not picking out best team at this stage but in theory it's a stronger panel than last year, and one certainly capable of being in a Leinster final for 25 depending on the cards we're dealt. We were very patchy this year and missed out by one score." Sean O Brien won't be. He will still be minor next year.
Lads I'd be expecting to step up are Darragh Kehoe and Eoin Whelan. Rowley and Simon Roche are still u20 next year. Think it's unreasonable to expect a lad like Oisin Moore or Jack Dunne to step up from Minor to Senior. Hopefully they can step up to u20.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 24/07/2024 12:01:38
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Replying To Doylerwex: "That's a pretty pessimistic outlook I think. It was very much there for the taking and we've both called out what's wrong but I'd be very hopeful that we'll come on next year. Rossi will have learned a lot.
Galway and Kilkenny both rebuilding. Dublin depends on who takes them over but I'm fairly sure we've better hurlers.
We'll probably lose 3 experienced players who didn't play a huge role this year anyway.
I also think our forward unit functioned much better without Chinner although he is amazing we're looking for him all the time when he's there which probably cost us a few times.
Byrne, Byrne Dunbar, Foley, Ryan etc. Have a full year at the top level now. Molloy unlucky to miss out but he's a proper talent. One of the best we've had in a while potentially.
Next year you could have
Duggan (best keeper we have followed by lawlor)
E Ryan
L Ryan
S Reck
C Foley
P Foley
D Reck
Hearne
Carty
Jacko
Chin
O Foley
Byrne
Mac
Rory
Molloy, flood, lawlor, Murphy, Mahoney, doran, tucker, Byrne Dunbar, Dunbar, Cullen, Charlie, Devitt, Darragh Carley o Hagan possibly in the mix.
Add the likes of oisin Moore, Sean o Brien, Jack Dunne, Luke Murphy, Darragh kehoe, Sean Rowley in around the panel too.
Obviously not picking out best team at this stage but in theory it's a stronger panel than last year, and one certainly capable of being in a Leinster final for 25 depending on the cards we're dealt. We were very patchy this year and missed out by one score." I think Mogie and O'Hanlon did play a huge role this year to be fair
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