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Replying To Formertownie:  "Think u hit the nail on the head there . Coaches are human too and like everyone else need a break to recharge. Train up the coaches in winter time f needs be but 12mths continuous training will mean some will walk away 9 to 10 mths is plenty .
possibly do something with the kids other than hurling football in those months . Any outdoor hurling in winter for young kids can be counter productive . The cold hands and limbs won't encourage them to keep coming and thats from experience . A break from mid november to mid feb is ideal . Wont harm them at all and maybe just encourage them to go to hurling wall or indoor facility if your club has them .
Schools shoukd be stepping in at these times ."
Is the break November to February? Of coaches need a break.

I thought someone said the clubs go from May to October in u8s to u12s and half of that is football. So 1 hurling and 1 football for the 5 months and nothing then for the rest of the year.

That can't be right can it?

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 311 - 04/07/2024 07:45:45    2556855

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Is the break November to February? Of coaches need a break.

I thought someone said the clubs go from May to October in u8s to u12s and half of that is football. So 1 hurling and 1 football for the 5 months and nothing then for the rest of the year.

That can't be right can it?"
April til mid October for inter club games 8s and 10z might be but shorter. but training and practice matches depending on club would be longer especially if facilities are available . Prob only chance do anything after evenjngs are shorter would be sundays as soccer takes mist saturdays and numbers would be small at training saturdays .
. my point was 2 mths in mid winter off would nt do much damage. And give everyone a break .
This year znd end last year was disaster due to weather .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 04/07/2024 10:28:40    2556873

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Is the break November to February? Of coaches need a break.

I thought someone said the clubs go from May to October in u8s to u12s and half of that is football. So 1 hurling and 1 football for the 5 months and nothing then for the rest of the year.

That can't be right can it?"
That's all some clubs are doing. Alot of clubs are doing end Feb to October. That's what we do. Then once a week over the winter for u12s, twice a week for those who are on the A.S.H. programme.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13859 - 04/07/2024 11:12:01    2556879

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Leinster hurling 2025 Could be very tough next year if this materialises

Galway - Micheal o donohoe
Dublin - Davy Fitzgerald
Kilkenny - Henry Shefflin

And then you of course have offaly

Jimbob96 (Wexford) - Posts: 13 - 05/07/2024 09:20:04    2557012

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Replying To Jimbob96:  "Leinster hurling 2025 Could be very tough next year if this materialises

Galway - Micheal o donohoe
Dublin - Davy Fitzgerald
Kilkenny - Henry Shefflin

And then you of course have offaly"
Shefflin wont be at Kilkenny Waterford a possibility.

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 310 - 05/07/2024 11:31:53    2557035

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Think u hit the nail on the head there . Coaches are human too and like everyone else need a break to recharge. Train up the coaches in winter time f needs be but 12mths continuous training will mean some will walk away 9 to 10 mths is plenty .
possibly do something with the kids other than hurling football in those months . Any outdoor hurling in winter for young kids can be counter productive . The cold hands and limbs won't encourage them to keep coming and thats from experience . A break from mid november to mid feb is ideal . Wont harm them at all and maybe just encourage them to go to hurling wall or indoor facility if your club has them .
Schools shoukd be stepping in at these times ."
I get that and as a coach I get it and if the break was only 3 months then yes.
But it can be just facilitating a game over the winter to keep players hurling.
It could be the time for the "babysitting service" coaches to just facilitate the games.
Could even bio band or something to mix it up.
Because at the moment soccer (which my boys play) and rugby are eating the GAA's lunch for 6+ months of the year.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 05/07/2024 11:47:31    2557040

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Replying To Jimbob96:  "Leinster hurling 2025 Could be very tough next year if this materialises

Galway - Micheal o donohoe
Dublin - Davy Fitzgerald
Kilkenny - Henry Shefflin

And then you of course have offaly"
Henry to Kilkenny?? Why would they

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 88 - 05/07/2024 11:56:04    2557043

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Replying To Jimbob96:  "Leinster hurling 2025 Could be very tough next year if this materialises

Galway - Micheal o donohoe
Dublin - Davy Fitzgerald
Kilkenny - Henry Shefflin

And then you of course have offaly"
Agree Jimbob96. It will be tough as always to get out of Leinster next year. That Offaly team will have matured a good bit following on from their successful u20 sides from the last two years. I wouldn't say they will get to a Leinster final just yet but they could cause us problems if we take them lightly.
Rumour has it that Donoghoe will wave goodbye to Dublin and get the Galway gig but maybe there's no truth in it. He did say that he would stay put for another year but you never know.
Davy will have his eye on managing the tribesmen or failing that he could go to Dublin. There might even be an opening in Clare if Lohan stepped away if they are beaten once again in the semi final against the cats.
I think Dereck Lyng is safe for at least another year regardless as to how they end their season.
It went down badly when King Henry threw in his lot with Galway. It left a sour taste in Kilkenny and it would be a big surprise if they forgave him.
My prediction would be Donoghoe to go to his home place Galway and Davy getting the Dublin job.
Interesting few weeks or months ahead.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 05/07/2024 12:11:42    2557045

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Replying To Jimbob96:  "Leinster hurling 2025 Could be very tough next year if this materialises

Galway - Micheal o donohoe
Dublin - Davy Fitzgerald
Kilkenny - Henry Shefflin

And then you of course have offaly"
I think it'll take a couple of years for galea to really get going again. They're in need of a shake up.

Davy to Dublin would be a big worry for us. I'd question whether they have the talent but you can be sure Davy will get the absolute best out of what's there.

You're writing lyng off fairly quickly. They could win the all Ireland.

Offaly will be an interesting prospect. As great as their 20 team is they're not all going to be great seniors. It's a very different proposition as we know ourselves. We've had excellent teams at 21 who've massively under achieved at senior in my time.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 05/07/2024 13:31:51    2557060

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Replying To Jimbob96:  "Leinster hurling 2025 Could be very tough next year if this materialises

Galway - Micheal o donohoe
Dublin - Davy Fitzgerald
Kilkenny - Henry Shefflin

And then you of course have offaly"
Shefflin to Kilkenny? Is that a possibility, I am a long way removed from it now but is Derek Lyng not safe regardless in Kilkenny?
The tougher Leinster is for Wexford and each other the better. The only disgraceful anomaly is relegation in Leinster but none in Munster.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 05/07/2024 15:14:25    2557077

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Being honest how many different county teams can one manager manage in short enough time frame its only 11 years since clare won the all ireland spent 2014 in clare 3/4 years in waterford 4 in weford back to waterford for another 2 and still get the same response from players and the county iteslf I can't see too many counties looking for Davy .
Can't see Galway taking him on thats for sure .
Dublin possibly but will their Co board want a manager that hogs headlines and attention.
They seem to lean towards a more quiet get on with it kinda character who has the knowhow and does nt get involved in media circus . But hey that's only my opinion. Don't see any other county coming looking offaly laois . Offaly building not needing a manager at present . Would davy go to laois . Tipp Cork kilkenny Limerick not a Hope in hell ever. Clare ?? After lohan might happen some stage but not in immediate future . .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 06/07/2024 12:19:07    2557177

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Being honest how many different county teams can one manager manage in short enough time frame its only 11 years since clare won the all ireland spent 2014 in clare 3/4 years in waterford 4 in weford back to waterford for another 2 and still get the same response from players and the county iteslf I can't see too many counties looking for Davy .
Can't see Galway taking him on thats for sure .
Dublin possibly but will their Co board want a manager that hogs headlines and attention.
They seem to lean towards a more quiet get on with it kinda character who has the knowhow and does nt get involved in media circus . But hey that's only my opinion. Don't see any other county coming looking offaly laois . Offaly building not needing a manager at present . Would davy go to laois . Tipp Cork kilkenny Limerick not a Hope in hell ever. Clare ?? After lohan might happen some stage but not in immediate future . ."
Fitzgerald spent 5 years with Wexford

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 226 - 07/07/2024 12:02:24    2557368

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Watching Cork today would give everyone hope. Every team can be beaten if your attitude is right, you get a bit of luck and you absolutely empty the tank.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 07/07/2024 21:05:38    2557533

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Watching Cork today would give everyone hope. Every team can be beaten if your attitude is right, you get a bit of luck and you absolutely empty the tank."
Don't know about that Doyler! While I really enjoyed the game I was left wondering about the gap between where we are and they are now and overall I wasn't feeling so positive.

I'm convinced that a top class keeper is essential in today's era, puc out and not just shot stopping, its surely the most pivotal and difficult role on the pitch and if we didn't fully appreciate FitzHenry we should now.

Physically we're miles off, not all our lads but too many, this can be worked on but it takes 2+3 years really hard work to get to the level required.

Power, size, pace, I just don't see this in our team in the way Cork had it today, hard running, strong, direct, dangerous.

One thing I will say is, be slow to write off our experienced players, look at TJ and Patrick Horgan still doing it for their sides this weekend.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 88 - 08/07/2024 10:32:21    2557636

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Replying To wexford2012:  "Don't know about that Doyler! While I really enjoyed the game I was left wondering about the gap between where we are and they are now and overall I wasn't feeling so positive.

I'm convinced that a top class keeper is essential in today's era, puc out and not just shot stopping, its surely the most pivotal and difficult role on the pitch and if we didn't fully appreciate FitzHenry we should now.

Physically we're miles off, not all our lads but too many, this can be worked on but it takes 2+3 years really hard work to get to the level required.

Power, size, pace, I just don't see this in our team in the way Cork had it today, hard running, strong, direct, dangerous.

One thing I will say is, be slow to write off our experienced players, look at TJ and Patrick Horgan still doing it for their sides this weekend."
I was depressed by the disparity between ourselves and Corks forwards.

See the hard running, runs out to the corners and physicality of em yesterday. I love Chin and Mac but I just couldn't imagine em physically putting in a shift like that anymore. Absolute savage work rate yesterday.

I just don't think we have that and if we do then I've never seen it.

If we are to skin a cat so to speak it'll have to be done our own way whatever that is because we can't or won't match that yesterday

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 311 - 08/07/2024 12:39:09    2557679

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Watching Cork today would give everyone hope. Every team can be beaten if your attitude is right, you get a bit of luck and you absolutely empty the tank."
Attitude is one thing. Having a strong 15 and strong bench is another. For me we don't have the same class of hurler as cork. Miles off them if we are been honest.

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 117 - 08/07/2024 13:10:14    2557685

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Replying To wexford2012:  "Don't know about that Doyler! While I really enjoyed the game I was left wondering about the gap between where we are and they are now and overall I wasn't feeling so positive.

I'm convinced that a top class keeper is essential in today's era, puc out and not just shot stopping, its surely the most pivotal and difficult role on the pitch and if we didn't fully appreciate FitzHenry we should now.

Physically we're miles off, not all our lads but too many, this can be worked on but it takes 2+3 years really hard work to get to the level required.

Power, size, pace, I just don't see this in our team in the way Cork had it today, hard running, strong, direct, dangerous.

One thing I will say is, be slow to write off our experienced players, look at TJ and Patrick Horgan still doing it for their sides this weekend."
Absolutely agree with this.

Powers, size, pace, we are way off for a start.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1427 - 08/07/2024 13:32:21    2557691

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Replying To Yellowhelmet:  "Attitude is one thing. Having a strong 15 and strong bench is another. For me we don't have the same class of hurler as cork. Miles off them if we are been honest."
Yeah, hate saying it but we are quite simply not at the races when it comes to knockout championship hurling. Looking at Cork v Limerick yesterday and its plain to see where we are compared to them. I'm afraid that we have a long long way to go before we are anyway close to their standard.
Our problem at present is that we don't have lads that have the x factor with the exception of Chin and Rory. But even they have had bad days and lack consistency.
It's grand winning a few league games and giving Kilkenny a rattle in leinster but that's really it.
We have some good players coming through the u20 grade but yet untested at senior so it remains to be seen whether they make the step up.
I've been disappointed with some of our newer lads although I would have high hopes for Eoin Ryan and Conor Hearne but after that I'm not so sure.
As Rory Jacob said on the Wexford podcast last week that he was concerned by the lack of talent coming through and that he is worried for our prospects in the future. He said that the once strong clubs like the alley and Rathnure have no players on our senior team and our schools and colleges are falling back.
Tackling underage is the key. That's where it all starts. People will say that we done well at u20 last year and the year before but we failed to win silverware each year.
I'm sure managers and coaches are doing everything possible to get us competive and the players don't lack effort but maybe we need to reexamine the way we do things and start building in every way from the bottom up.
Staying as we are and hoping for a better year or years ahead will get us nowhere.
Nothing easy in all of the above I will accept but with hard graft, total commitment, proper coaching and improving skills will bring success, eventually.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 08/07/2024 17:09:33    2557779

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To be fair, no-one was going on about how great Cork were after the AIQF so whilst not trying to suggest that they're not a great team or that they didn't play to an exceptionally high level yesterday, I think people can get a bit carried away by extreme performances

If you take our performance against Galway (Which represented an extreme on our end as did the Antrim game which represented the other extreme), I think we would've been competitive yesterday but would've ended up losing by in or around 6 points

This isn't me suggesting that we're that close to All-Ireland glory because we're not but at the same time, I don't think we're a millions mile off, put Paudie Foley into this year's side and we would've been as good if not better than 2019 and that 2019 team were not far off winning an All-Ireland

It's just that when you're at the level we're at now, you're depending on almost every single little thing breaking your way whereas if you have talent like Cork, Clare, or Limerick, you can afford a few little things to go against you throughout the campaign and still have a good chance at winning Liam McCarthy

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 353 - 08/07/2024 18:49:28    2557806

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Watching Cork today would give everyone hope. Every team can be beaten if your attitude is right, you get a bit of luck and you absolutely empty the tank."
Looking back on this year we're still miles behind the top 3 in Munster still as was proven in Thurles a few weeks back and as much as I'd like to be in proven wrong I can't see that changing next year either . Cork have speed size and power and a savage work rate, as well as a good scoring spread amongst their forwards- Cork are consistently year on year for the past 5/6 seasons putting up enormous scores in games.

The closest I've seen us match that intensity was vs Tipp in 2019 and we were simply out on our feet by the 55th minute.

Also, look at the size of the player's yesterday in comparison to ours and the same with Clare, nearly every team we play we're outmatched physically, Coleman and Fitzgibbon are an exception those two did not stop yesterday and are simply fantastic hurlers.

The games vs Cork in the league and Clare a few weeks ago were pretty much mirror images of each other, yes we missed key players in both but I don't think any Wexford fan can honestly say that the result would've been different had missing players played.

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 144 - 08/07/2024 18:55:06    2557810

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