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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Here's a scenario albeit borderline conspiracy theory.
Say Carlow and Galway beat Wexford. Us and Galway beat Antrim.
On the last day, if Antrim and Carlow are both out of contention for 3rd place they could agree to draw the game, sending Wexford down. Even if Wexford beat one of Galway or Kilkenny, they will only have 3 pts and would lose out to Carlow and Antrim on a head to head.
Winning v Carlow is non-negotiable for Wexford." You are always on here saying, oh I support wexford they're my second team etc...but you are no stop negative all the time. Why don't you worry more about your own county
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 960 - 01/05/2024 11:06:18
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Well we haven't played Limerick in any of those years so I wouldn't say we've ever played the no.1 ranked team in Munster. If that's the case Galway would be no.1 Leinster team for the last few years yet it is Kilkenny who've won the Leinster titles. You're some man to clutch at straws and pull positives out of it. Galway have been poor enough but they're still getting to all Ireland semi finals and Leinster finals. I'd gladly take their last few years over ours. I don't think it's a particularly great Kilkenny team but we've never played them in a Leinster final cus we don't get there. Galway's round robin record is they've never lost to Kilkenny but that amounts to nothing at the end of the day, as have our results v Kilkenny really…especially when you're loosing to Antrim and Westmeath. We haven't to a Leinster final since 2019, Kilkenny, Galway and Dublin have. We've been very stagnant and have gotten a whole lot worse since. Such a loser mentality in Wexford, "ah we didn't get hammered", we've become such an afterthought in the all Ireland series. I don't this generation of lads have ever gotten over 2019 and a lot of fans haven't either, should've been the start of something but became the peak. I think Rossiter is a good man and good manager in a lot of ways but I think this goes deeper than just who ever manages them. Do agree wholly with you with how psychologist is badly needed for teams in Wexford, used to be how couldn't win big games but now it seems to be games we should be winning are as big a problem or tbh just winning games at all." I didn't say the number one ranked team. I said the team who finished 1st or 2nd in the Round Robin. And we played the team that finished 1st on 2 occasions, and Clare finished 2nd in 2018 tied on 6 points with Cork who finished first. The point still stands that we haven't played any of the Munster teams who were poor in the same year since we beat Cork in 2016. And in 2014 2 Munster teams were poor and we beat both of them. We haven't played any poor Munster teams since because we didn't get the opportunity to play them.
I agree 100% our problem is our results against the smaller counties in the Round Robins the last couple of years. We would've been in the Leinster final in 2022 if we had of beaten Westmeath in Mullingar instead of drawing with them. And last year if we had of beaten Westmeath, and Dublin in Croke Park where we created over 50% more scoring chances, we would have been in the Final also.
Also agree a sports psychologist was needed. We got one. He doesnt seem to have made much difference so far........
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 11:18:27
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Here's a scenario albeit borderline conspiracy theory.
Say Carlow and Galway beat Wexford. Us and Galway beat Antrim.
On the last day, if Antrim and Carlow are both out of contention for 3rd place they could agree to draw the game, sending Wexford down. Even if Wexford beat one of Galway or Kilkenny, they will only have 3 pts and would lose out to Carlow and Antrim on a head to head.
Winning v Carlow is non-negotiable for Wexford." Why are you still going on about Carlow? We aren't playing them this weekend.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 11:22:52
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Replying To wexford2012: "Irrespective of support the team have to deliver, even long time supporters are struggling to stay the course as its just so bloody painful, like you have to question why we do this to ourselves! If they have anything in them now is the time to show it, step up and deliver, supporters have pumped significant money into this team and Wexford GAA as whole and we need to see some return. Getting beaten last week was one thing, but getting outworked and beaten is sickening/unacceptable. Seeing the same failings again and again is too, bombing long balls down lost us the 2019 AI semi final and here we are 5 years later same players doing the same thing - how/why?? I'll be there but hope the team turn up too. In Chin, Cian Byrne, ROC and Mac we have some sensational forwards but have we ever played where each had come near to their potential (in the same game).
No more excuses, they have to believe, to want it more, to work harder, we're at home, its championship, the year is NOT over, time to preform. Up Wexford." Cian Byrne was only coming out of national school the last time Mac probably had an outstanding game in a Wexford shirt. Tbh it's been so long that I can't even remember it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 11:25:15
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Thought further about a team for the weekend-
Duggan- (we need a keeper who can distribute)
S Reck, Ryan, Murphy
D Reck, O Hanlon, Devitt
Conor Foley, Kevin Foley(sitting MF)
Hearne, Dwyer, Chin, Rory(we need lads who will hunt and scrap for the ball in the middle 3rd)
Mogie, Cian Byrne
Bench should have good options then for the 2nd half.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 11:31:46
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Replying To Viking66: "Thought further about a team for the weekend-
Duggan- (we need a keeper who can distribute)
S Reck, Ryan, Murphy
D Reck, O Hanlon, Devitt
Conor Foley, Kevin Foley(sitting MF)
Hearne, Dwyer, Chin, Rory(we need lads who will hunt and scrap for the ball in the middle 3rd)
Mogie, Cian Byrne
Bench should have good options then for the 2nd half." Wouldnt be against a team like this. I really hope they give Duggan a chance but cant see it. If Fanning is in goal he has to be instructed to stop the one two's and hitting aimless skyscrapers Galway will clean us out if he does that again. Jippo starting is crucial at the back he will give more confidence to lads around him.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 161 - 01/05/2024 11:48:09
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Replying To wexford2012: "Irrespective of support the team have to deliver, even long time supporters are struggling to stay the course as its just so bloody painful, like you have to question why we do this to ourselves! If they have anything in them now is the time to show it, step up and deliver, supporters have pumped significant money into this team and Wexford GAA as whole and we need to see some return. Getting beaten last week was one thing, but getting outworked and beaten is sickening/unacceptable. Seeing the same failings again and again is too, bombing long balls down lost us the 2019 AI semi final and here we are 5 years later same players doing the same thing - how/why?? I'll be there but hope the team turn up too. In Chin, Cian Byrne, ROC and Mac we have some sensational forwards but have we ever played where each had come near to their potential (in the same game).
No more excuses, they have to believe, to want it more, to work harder, we're at home, its championship, the year is NOT over, time to preform. Up Wexford." Yep, couldn't agree more.
Support goes beyond how many go to games, in terms of what's required our teams want for nothing.
No more excuses, time to man up, if we are beaten and go down fighting then so be it but that's not what has happened.
Rather than asking will the fans turn up I'd be asking will the team turn up, does that sound harsh? Maybe but we have the hurlers, we have the ability so what's left?
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1354 - 01/05/2024 11:48:39
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Here's a scenario albeit borderline conspiracy theory.
Say Carlow and Galway beat Wexford. Us and Galway beat Antrim.
On the last day, if Antrim and Carlow are both out of contention for 3rd place they could agree to draw the game, sending Wexford down. Even if Wexford beat one of Galway or Kilkenny, they will only have 3 pts and would lose out to Carlow and Antrim on a head to head.
Winning v Carlow is non-negotiable for Wexford." By jaysus there is one... you might be on to something here.... if we completely ignore the fact that if 3 teams end up on the same points head to head counts for fudge all. As it has for considerable time.
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Replying To hunting: "You are always on here saying, oh I support wexford they're my second team etc...but you are no stop negative all the time. Why don't you worry more about your own county" How is what I posted negative?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1141 - 01/05/2024 12:41:48
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Replying To Viking66: "Why are you still going on about Carlow? We aren't playing them this weekend." Harsh reality Viking lose against Carlow we are more than likely relegated. I know we've games against Kilkenny and Galway but I honestly cannot see us winning even one of those two.
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 489 - 01/05/2024 12:44:54
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Replying To Wexican55: "By jaysus there is one... you might be on to something here.... if we completely ignore the fact that if 3 teams end up on the same points head to head counts for fudge all. As it has for considerable time." "For the second year running, in the event multiple Leinster SHC sides are tied at the end of the competition score difference in the games involving those counties only will be the first determining factor followed by highest total score for, highest total goal for and failing that a play-off."
JOHN FOGARTY, Irish Examiner.
If Wexford lost to both Carlow and Antrim who draw with each other, how do you think Wexford are faring in that? BTW, I am not counting any chickens regarding Dublin winning another game but I do think home advantage for Antrim is huge.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1141 - 01/05/2024 12:51:43
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Replying To Viking66: "I didn't say the number one ranked team. I said the team who finished 1st or 2nd in the Round Robin. And we played the team that finished 1st on 2 occasions, and Clare finished 2nd in 2018 tied on 6 points with Cork who finished first. The point still stands that we haven't played any of the Munster teams who were poor in the same year since we beat Cork in 2016. And in 2014 2 Munster teams were poor and we beat both of them. We haven't played any poor Munster teams since because we didn't get the opportunity to play them.
I agree 100% our problem is our results against the smaller counties in the Round Robins the last couple of years. We would've been in the Leinster final in 2022 if we had of beaten Westmeath in Mullingar instead of drawing with them. And last year if we had of beaten Westmeath, and Dublin in Croke Park where we created over 50% more scoring chances, we would have been in the Final also.
Also agree a sports psychologist was needed. We got one. He doesnt seem to have made much difference so far........" Ah Viking, every time I read your posts I immediately think 'clasping at straws'. While I admire your knowledge on the game, you do seem a bit blinkered when it comes to where Wexford are actually at. You dismissed the loss to Cork in the league as not really important, when in reality, that's when the alarm bells should have been ringing...
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Harsh reality Viking lose against Carlow we are more than likely relegated. I know we've games against Kilkenny and Galway but I honestly cannot see us winning even one of those two." Far away cows grow long horns. If the team thinks like you they deserve to be playing Joe Mac next year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 12:58:03
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Harsh reality Viking lose against Carlow we are more than likely relegated. I know we've games against Kilkenny and Galway but I honestly cannot see us winning even one of those two." We need to take it one game at a time. A win against galway could give us a huge lift although it is a big task. Then we would have 2 weeks to prepare for Carlow where which would be another must win game.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 161 - 01/05/2024 12:59:31
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Replying To ExiledInWex: ""For the second year running, in the event multiple Leinster SHC sides are tied at the end of the competition score difference in the games involving those counties only will be the first determining factor followed by highest total score for, highest total goal for and failing that a play-off."
JOHN FOGARTY, Irish Examiner.
If Wexford lost to both Carlow and Antrim who draw with each other, how do you think Wexford are faring in that? BTW, I am not counting any chickens regarding Dublin winning another game but I do think home advantage for Antrim is huge." It is huge. Antrim play better in Corrigan. But at the same time I don't think Antrim fear Dublin. That is huge too. And aside from Burke and O Donnell I think Antrim have better hurlers in general. Years ago their S and C let them down but I don't think that's the case any more.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 13:01:58
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "Ah Viking, every time I read your posts I immediately think 'clasping at straws'. While I admire your knowledge on the game, you do seem a bit blinkered when it comes to where Wexford are actually at. You dismissed the loss to Cork in the league as not really important, when in reality, that's when the alarm bells should have been ringing..." It's not clasping at straws. The reality is I'm a Wexford supporter. I've seen more bad days than good. Alot more. Disappointment has haunted my dreams so to speak. But I really don't see any point getting depressed about a result before it has even happened.
As regards the Cork game the alarm bells that should be ringing, and ringing even louder now after the Antrim game, are that there are players who started that game, and the first 2 round robin games, who are playing below the level required. These lads need to be dropped. Hence the team I named above. Also in that game we went away from the general set up we had all year. We aren't making space up front. We are leaving gaps at the back. This hasn't changed in the 1st 2 round robin games and also needs to be addressed.
I'm not 100% certain we will win our last 3 games, but I am 100% certain we haven't lost them yet.
Finally I suppose its a good thing Munster and Leinster are unequal or unfair as you keep saying, or you too could have been looking at Joe Mac hurling for next year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12196 - 01/05/2024 13:13:24
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "Ah Viking, every time I read your posts I immediately think 'clasping at straws'. While I admire your knowledge on the game, you do seem a bit blinkered when it comes to where Wexford are actually at. You dismissed the loss to Cork in the league as not really important, when in reality, that's when the alarm bells should have been ringing..." I think you're reading too much into that Wexford-Cork game, Wexford had half a team out
And you should never put that much stock in one game, look what Antrim did in the league and against Kilkenny before they played us
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We've only won 1 out of 11 one-score Championship games since the 2019 Leinster Final which is a big issue, it gets a little bit more worrying when you dig deeper into it
2019: Lost to Tipperary by 2, had been 5 up and a man up
2021: Drew with Kilkenny, nip and tuck game all the way; Lost to Clare by 3, had been behind pretty much all the way
2022: Drew with Galway, had been behind most of the way; Lost to Dublin by 1, been behind most of the way; Drew with Westmeath, had been ahead all the way (Lost to Clare by 4, had been 6 points up with 20 minutes to go)
2023: Lost to Dublin by 2, had been narrowly behind most of the way; Lost to Westmeath, had been 17 up at HT; Beat KK by 2, had been 8 points down at one stage (Beat Antrim by 4 having been 9 points up at HT)
2024: Drew with Dublin having been 5 points up with a minute left; Lost to Antrim by 2 having been 7 up after 45 minutes
Even if you look at our league performances, our best performances came against KK, Clare, and Waterford and we had been behind at stages in all three games
We play better against the bigger teams and when we are behind, we seem to have no interest in kicking on versus teams we are in the lead against and/or the teams we are expected to beat
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 284 - 01/05/2024 13:53:25
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Replying To Viking66: "Far away cows grow long horns. If the team thinks like you they deserve to be playing Joe Mac next year." I am only stating fact. Some posters on here are
are still talking about Wexford and Leinster finals. Whilst still mathematically possible I just don't see it. Just my opinion. Hope I'm wrong and sorry to have upset you.
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 489 - 01/05/2024 14:13:42
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Replying To Viking66: "It is huge. Antrim play better in Corrigan. But at the same time I don't think Antrim fear Dublin. That is huge too. And aside from Burke and O Donnell I think Antrim have better hurlers in general. Years ago their S and C let them down but I don't think that's the case any more." Some of them were training for 3-4 weeks from a training camp in Portugal, does that not validate my point regarding the excess training done by inter county teams?
I don't think Antrim have better hurlers than Dublin or us. Kilkenny proved how good they are. We just don't have the mindset against teams we need to be beating. We just don't show the same effort v the lesser counties but put black and amber in front of us and we are a different animal. Why is that?
Nickey Brennan on OurGame this week, I listened to it this evening. He said he hopes Kilkenny play Limerick again. In Wexford people want to avoid them.
Mindset is everything.
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