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Replying To Pikeman96:  "And yes, I think the whole arrangement has gone far away from what it was originally supposed to be - a temporary arrangement to help Tara Rocks get back on their feet and field in their own right again.

I remember hearing that at the Co. Board meeting last year to review the arrangement, the Tara Rocks delegate was asked "what's your five-year plan?" - meaning "what do you plan to do in the next five years to get back to fielding by yourselves?"

His reply was just "to be playing senior hurling". Seems that's their main aim - to get up to senior with the help of all the Ballyfad players, rather than doing anything in their own right again, even if "only" at Junior B."
Should there be some sort of limit on the temporary arrangement? Like a certain increase every so many years in adult and underage players at each level? With a view to it ending in 5 years with either separation or full amalgamation?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 31/01/2024 15:06:05    2523518

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Am open to correction, but looking back on last year's programmes, I make it that out a panel of 30 named by Kilanerin for the senior football semi-final, just one player named to start was from Tara Rocks (Rhys Owley), and they had just two in the subs (Niall Breen and Brendan Hobbs).

Maybe even more telling is if you look at the "Tara Rocks" team that was named for the intermediate hurling quarter-final where they lost to Fethard -

Again a panel of 30, with just three starters named from Tara Rocks (the same three as mentioned above), and three more in the subs. The other 24 in the panel would all normally have been hurling for Ballyfad instead."
The funny thing is no players u24 would be played for Kilanerin and Tara Rocks as a single entity as there together at underage too and last played seperate at adult in 2016.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 31/01/2024 15:08:58    2523519

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'm from the other end of the county TFW so wouldn't know which club/parish all the players are actually from but just out of interest how many Rocks players, ie from Gorey parish, played for Kilanerin in last year's SF?"
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/transfer-requests-to-be-dealt-with/41374423.html

Seen this transfer list from 2 years ago this so this would be a good indicator anyway.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 31/01/2024 15:10:09    2523520

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The first year of the amalgamation there were 26/27 Tara Rocks players transferring to Kilanerin for football, hard to see how they couldnt field a team on there own that time

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 219 - 31/01/2024 15:23:23    2523526

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Replying To lefty:  "The first year of the amalgamation there were 26/27 Tara Rocks players transferring to Kilanerin for football, hard to see how they couldnt field a team on there own that time"
It's a strange set up from start to finish so.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 31/01/2024 15:44:03    2523533

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Replying To ontheball247:  "Hard to see it ever changing now. It might be semantics but really they should not be allowed to enter competitions named as Kilanerin / Tara Rock and they should be Ballynastragh Gaels."
That would be a full amalgamation of the clubs, which kicks off a whole different procedure under the Rule Book, and which might not be as straightforward as it seems. But that's not to say it shouldn't go that way!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 31/01/2024 15:54:34    2523537

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Replying To Viking66:  "Should there be some sort of limit on the temporary arrangement? Like a certain increase every so many years in adult and underage players at each level? With a view to it ending in 5 years with either separation or full amalgamation?"
Would be a good idea in principle to set targets all right, but there'd be all sorts of devil in the detail of how you'd implement and monitor it.

Could go into examples but it would just turn into one of my very long posts!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 31/01/2024 15:57:33    2523540

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/transfer-requests-to-be-dealt-with/41374423.html

Seen this transfer list from 2 years ago this so this would be a good indicator anyway."
17 transfers from Tara Rocks to Kilanerin that year, and 42 in the other direction.

So in the meantime, the Tara Rocks numbers have gone down, and the Kilanerin numbers have gone up.

Noticeable too that of this year's 14 requests from Tara Rocks to Kilanerin, two are listed as "new transfers".

Suppose there's a chance that they're players who haven't lined out at all for several years now, but far more likely that they're two young lads just out of minor, and who therefore wouldn't have been subject to transfers before now.

And that in turn would suggest Tara Rocks only had two final year players on the Ballynastragh Gaels minor team last year (or at least, only two who want to keep playing into adult competition). And only two final year minors means probably no more than four or five minor players overall.

It's getting increasingly difficult to see how they'll ever field on their own at adult level again.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 31/01/2024 16:02:00    2523541

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "17 transfers from Tara Rocks to Kilanerin that year, and 42 in the other direction.

So in the meantime, the Tara Rocks numbers have gone down, and the Kilanerin numbers have gone up.

Noticeable too that of this year's 14 requests from Tara Rocks to Kilanerin, two are listed as "new transfers".

Suppose there's a chance that they're players who haven't lined out at all for several years now, but far more likely that they're two young lads just out of minor, and who therefore wouldn't have been subject to transfers before now.

And that in turn would suggest Tara Rocks only had two final year players on the Ballynastragh Gaels minor team last year (or at least, only two who want to keep playing into adult competition). And only two final year minors means probably no more than four or five minor players overall.

It's getting increasingly difficult to see how they'll ever field on their own at adult level again."
Is the list of transfer requests for this year available anywhere?

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 31/01/2024 16:21:12    2523546

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so the format changed yet again, how long will this one stay in place? how long till its changed again? 2//3 years? course it swill last a bit if the hurling team do well, and they are not connected, how the local chip is run over a couple of years has no bearing on the standard of skill s county player, its just a lazy minds scapegoat

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2891 - 31/01/2024 17:37:49    2523566

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Is the list of transfer requests for this year available anywhere?"
Was circulated to clubs last night, so your Club Secretary would have it. Might be something about it in the local paper next week, but don't think it's usually published anywhere else.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 31/01/2024 17:46:27    2523569

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "so the format changed yet again, how long will this one stay in place? how long till its changed again? 2//3 years? course it swill last a bit if the hurling team do well, and they are not connected, how the local chip is run over a couple of years has no bearing on the standard of skill s county player, its just a lazy minds scapegoat"
I'll just say one thing....you don't let the facts get in the way of your rants.

Presume you mean our club championships format when you say it's changed "again". This year's change was the first since 2012.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 31/01/2024 23:26:00    2523601

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "so the format changed yet again, how long will this one stay in place? how long till its changed again? 2//3 years? course it swill last a bit if the hurling team do well, and they are not connected, how the local chip is run over a couple of years has no bearing on the standard of skill s county player, its just a lazy minds scapegoat"
Yep, yet again. First time in 11 years.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 01/02/2024 09:40:26    2523623

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One of the things I noticed about last nights draw was that Oulart haven't bothered entering a team in the junior A football. Back to same old same old. Very disappointing

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 11/02/2024 21:32:45    2525535

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "One of the things I noticed about last nights draw was that Oulart haven't bothered entering a team in the junior A football. Back to same old same old. Very disappointing"
They pulled it out after the draw I think. They were in the draw when it was drawn.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 11/02/2024 23:16:45    2525548

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "One of the things I noticed about last nights draw was that Oulart haven't bothered entering a team in the junior A football. Back to same old same old. Very disappointing"
Was always a likely outcome once it reverted to old system. Hopefully it's not a sign of more similar of players not playing both, a lot of clubs football gets minimal enough thought. Many clubs around here used to just train hurling during the football weeks pre split season anyways.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 277 - 12/02/2024 01:02:02    2525550

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I've heard over the last week or two of some clubs still looking to get a manager/coach on board. It's getting very late now to get sorted with the league starting in afew weeks. I don't blame coaches for being particular about who they get involved, it's a massive commitment (I know in some case they are well rewarded for this before anyone highlights it)

JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 49 - 14/02/2024 11:35:45    2526007

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Replying To JT22:  "I've heard over the last week or two of some clubs still looking to get a manager/coach on board. It's getting very late now to get sorted with the league starting in afew weeks. I don't blame coaches for being particular about who they get involved, it's a massive commitment (I know in some case they are well rewarded for this before anyone highlights it)"
I've heard one club complain that the move away from the split season is causing difficulties here. They say they're having trouble finding anybody for hurling because people now know they'll be needed through to the end of September instead of being finished by mid-August, and trouble for football because somebody will be needed all year through, instead of more or less being able to take time between the Football League finishing and then starting up football again when they're finished with the hurling.

My response to that would be to wonder how did the club manage for all those years before the split season was ever introduced in the first place?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 14/02/2024 13:07:04    2526023

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I've heard one club complain that the move away from the split season is causing difficulties here. They say they're having trouble finding anybody for hurling because people now know they'll be needed through to the end of September instead of being finished by mid-August, and trouble for football because somebody will be needed all year through, instead of more or less being able to take time between the Football League finishing and then starting up football again when they're finished with the hurling.

My response to that would be to wonder how did the club manage for all those years before the split season was ever introduced in the first place?"
Tbh I know of a few clubs who don't have a manager for one or either code yet.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 14/02/2024 13:36:28    2526029

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In relation to post above - somebody needed for hurling until at least the end of September

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 14/02/2024 13:38:36    2526031

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