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Liam Sheedy: I'm very uneasy at clear signs that hurling is in trouble https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists/arid-41261515.html omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 03/11/2023 13:42:02 2511425 Link
Replying To omahant: "Liam Sheedy: I'm very uneasy at clear signs that hurling is in trouble https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists/arid-41261515.html" what does article say as cant read it without an examiner subscription? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 03/11/2023 14:08:38 2511434 Link
Having looked at him for years, its probably all 5 out of Munster and the Leinster champions into the All-Ireland series. Whatever he is proposing will be more of the same protectionism and looking out for each other that has held the game back from entering new territories. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 04/11/2023 13:14:10 2511489 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Having looked at him for years, its probably all 5 out of Munster and the Leinster champions into the All-Ireland series. Whatever he is proposing will be more of the same protectionism and looking out for each other that has held the game back from entering new territories." Maybe you should read the article before making wild assumptions about its content. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 583 - 04/11/2023 19:50:13 2511506 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Having looked at him for years, its probably all 5 out of Munster and the Leinster champions into the All-Ireland series. Whatever he is proposing will be more of the same protectionism and looking out for each other that has held the game back from entering new territories." Tipp are no closer to Limerick than Kilkenny or Galway, so he can hardly be arguing a Munster centric view and in fairness he is not usually. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 04/11/2023 20:20:33 2511509 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "what does article say as cant read it without an examiner subscription?" It's basically boils down to being a criticism of the Tipperary club championship structure, rather than anything else. Says 16 teams out of 32 across Senior & Premier Intermediate were finished after only three matches. Some of them, who lost their first two, were out of contention even sooner. And he "imagines" that it's the same in other counties. Doesn't have to be that way. We in Wexford guarantee every club at least five championship matches, and two-thirds of clubs (eight out of twelve in each grade) get at least six. We do the same in football. Looks to me like one of those times where a Tipp man with a certain Tipp attitude thinks the whole world should change to solve a Tipp problem that Tipp could actually solve themselves. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 04/11/2023 20:34:56 2511513 Link
Why not read the article rather than indulge in utterly nonsensical speculation? Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 04/11/2023 21:33:29 2511523 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Why not read the article rather than indulge in utterly nonsensical speculation?" Because it's behind a paywall. Have read it myself all right, but not everybody would have a subscription or have bought the paper itself that day. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 05/11/2023 10:43:43 2511541 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Why not read the article rather than indulge in utterly nonsensical speculation?" Because there is a paywall and I am not paying for it. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 05/11/2023 17:29:40 2511599 Link
Then don't comment on something you're only guessing about. If a ten year old did that he'd be reprimanded. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 05/11/2023 19:15:36 2511617 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Then don't comment on something you're only guessing about. If a ten year old did that he'd be reprimanded." I am guessing based on years of listening to him on TSG, which is fair as I doubt he has changed. Remember he wanted a new line on the pitch before an All-Ireland semi final one time. What are your own thoughts on it since you criticise everybody else yet have not said your own opinion? ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 05/11/2023 20:15:26 2511630 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "I am guessing based on years of listening to him on TSG, which is fair as I doubt he has changed. Remember he wanted a new line on the pitch before an All-Ireland semi final one time. What are your own thoughts on it since you criticise everybody else yet have not said your own opinion?" I think he's quite good as pundit and commentator. Whether its the nature of the competition or whatever, Tipp champions seem seldom that interested in anything after county final. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 05/11/2023 22:32:11 2511653 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "I am guessing based on years of listening to him on TSG, which is fair as I doubt he has changed. Remember he wanted a new line on the pitch before an All-Ireland semi final one time. What are your own thoughts on it since you criticise everybody else yet have not said your own opinion?" He's not criticizing everyone else, just you. Passing comment or giving an opinion on an article that you haven't read, rightly deserves such criticism! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 06/11/2023 00:08:47 2511661 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "It's basically boils down to being a criticism of the Tipperary club championship structure, rather than anything else. Says 16 teams out of 32 across Senior & Premier Intermediate were finished after only three matches. Some of them, who lost their first two, were out of contention even sooner. And he "imagines" that it's the same in other counties. Doesn't have to be that way. We in Wexford guarantee every club at least five championship matches, and two-thirds of clubs (eight out of twelve in each grade) get at least six. We do the same in football. Looks to me like one of those times where a Tipp man with a certain Tipp attitude thinks the whole world should change to solve a Tipp problem that Tipp could actually solve themselves." To be fair, Wexford's Championship probably goes against Croke Park's guidance at this stage. I think Wexford get it right but there actually isn't really time in the calendar to allow 8 rounds of club championship per code. Wexford would struggle to run theirs off if their hurling team made an All Ireland final. That is an issue and it's on Croke park. The inter-county window is too large. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 06/11/2023 10:23:17 2511689 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "To be fair, Wexford's Championship probably goes against Croke Park's guidance at this stage. I think Wexford get it right but there actually isn't really time in the calendar to allow 8 rounds of club championship per code. Wexford would struggle to run theirs off if their hurling team made an All Ireland final. That is an issue and it's on Croke park. The inter-county window is too large." The inter county window is too large? It is obvious that the telescoping of the inter county championship and the surrender of prime air time to rival sports has made little or no difference to the club championships at senior level. Those involved at lower levels who think that it was done for the benefit of the Junior Cs were sold a pup. All of the problems at club level were capable of resolution regardless, Some of done so, and the incompetent country boards - many of whose county teams are gone by early Summer anyway - are still incompetent The two are not unrelated clearly... BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 06/11/2023 10:38:50 2511693 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "The inter county window is too large? It is obvious that the telescoping of the inter county championship and the surrender of prime air time to rival sports has made little or no difference to the club championships at senior level. Those involved at lower levels who think that it was done for the benefit of the Junior Cs were sold a pup. All of the problems at club level were capable of resolution regardless, Some of done so, and the incompetent country boards - many of whose county teams are gone by early Summer anyway - are still incompetent The two are not unrelated clearly..." If we extend the intercounty window clubs will have to have access to their players for training and club championship games during the intercounty season again. That was one of the big problems the split season was designed to solve, the other being to provide certainty for club players of when exactly their championship games would be. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 06/11/2023 10:53:52 2511700 Link
Liam Sheedy has a fair point in his article and I have also seen some other articles of the lack of motivation for a club player where their championship is starting in August and for most clubs the groups stages have to be played within 6-7 weeks. In Limerick for example group stages were over after 7 weeks. In fairness to the Limk County Board they did a great job in scheduling with all Hurling finals played before end of Oct. I think the initial gain for the club player knowing when championship starts has been outweighed by lack of meaningful match earlier in the year. What motivation has a club player to train in Jan\Feb when you are not playing championship in August. journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 06/11/2023 11:15:08 2511707 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "The inter county window is too large? It is obvious that the telescoping of the inter county championship and the surrender of prime air time to rival sports has made little or no difference to the club championships at senior level. Those involved at lower levels who think that it was done for the benefit of the Junior Cs were sold a pup. All of the problems at club level were capable of resolution regardless, Some of done so, and the incompetent country boards - many of whose county teams are gone by early Summer anyway - are still incompetent The two are not unrelated clearly..." I don't like the split season but there are too many inter-county fixtures to allow for good club championship competitions and it's gotten worse with the split season. The Intercounty football season lasted 27 weeks from the National League starting to the All Ireland final. There needs to be 11 weeks available to run off Club provincial and All Ireland championships. Leaves only 14 weeks in the year and no breaks to be able to play club championships across to codes and is why 4 groups of 4 moving to quarterfinals is a popular format but only guarantees 3 or 4 club championship games a season. The club players are getting sold down the river. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 06/11/2023 11:30:06 2511712 Link
The thrust of Sheedy's argument is that most clubs, outside the most successful ones, do not have a lengthy meaningful schedule of games. There is more emphasis put on finishing existing game schedules rather than providing a longer programme of games for all club players - his own Portroe ending their Tipp Championship run after two games within 14 days. Current conditions discourage player participation in the GAA, and drive them to play other codes instead. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 07/11/2023 04:53:17 2511841 Link
Replying To omahant: "The thrust of Sheedy's argument is that most clubs, outside the most successful ones, do not have a lengthy meaningful schedule of games. There is more emphasis put on finishing existing game schedules rather than providing a longer programme of games for all club players - his own Portroe ending their Tipp Championship run after two games within 14 days. Current conditions discourage player participation in the GAA, and drive them to play other codes instead." Yes I think that's a real issue in football and hurling but varies between counties as to the extent of the problem. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 08/11/2023 14:52:01 2512116 Link