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Just to clarify, we're talking about "Gaelic" games here not Irish, British or European games. Our native game predates the GAA, predates the concepts of nationalism and the British county & provincial systems of governance. However, that has changed and not all for the good - the next suggestion we'll hear from some of our colonised, Anglophile minds, obsessed with pleasing our colonisers, is that we sing God Save the King!
Óró, sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró, sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró, sé do bheatha 'bhaile
Anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh.
A Shéarlais Óig, a mhic Rí Shéamais
'Sé mo mhór-chreach do thriall ar Éirinn
Gan tuinnte bróig' ort, stoca nó leinidh
Ach do chascairt leis na Gallaibh
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Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here from County Cavan
Listening to Ireland call on Saturday evening and looking at the 100 % Irish participation in every word of it I wonder if iot was played before Gaa games instead of the National Anthem would it appeal to more people to participate from the wider community. The Gaa is somewhat lost to a large group of people in for instance Nothern IIreland .
It would be worth considering if we were / want to atrack people who have an allegiance to an non EEC Country" No,I'm Irish and proud,my god you put up alot but this one takes the biscuit,I'm proud that anyone that represents Ireland on the GAA circle sings our national anthem and stands for national flag.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 05/12/2023 16:46:57
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Replying To baire: "Just to clarify, we're talking about "Gaelic" games here not Irish, British or European games. Our native game predates the GAA, predates the concepts of nationalism and the British county & provincial systems of governance. However, that has changed and not all for the good - the next suggestion we'll hear from some of our colonised, Anglophile minds, obsessed with pleasing our colonisers, is that we sing God Save the King!
Óró, sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró, sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró, sé do bheatha 'bhaile
Anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh.
A Shéarlais Óig, a mhic Rí Shéamais
'Sé mo mhór-chreach do thriall ar Éirinn
Gan tuinnte bróig' ort, stoca nó leinidh
Ach do chascairt leis na Gallaibh" Baire as Co Galliagh
Ta sin aonta deas
But it does nothing for inclusion.
Lets face it after then Treaty we had Nothern Ireland and Southern Ireland .
What Tomsmith has proposed (And I always Post good quality posts) is for say atrial period of that at all Noothern Ireland games that Ireland call be played .
It needs to be something netural toentice the Noothern brethern to come / or to play our games
If you take for say 12th weekend it would be lovely to invite a Flute or pipe band in from a non Gaa area to play afew tunes,
In my opinion its a great suggestion
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 05/12/2023 20:14:50
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Replying To tomsmith: "Baire as Co Galliagh
Ta sin aonta deas
But it does nothing for inclusion.
Lets face it after then Treaty we had Nothern Ireland and Southern Ireland .
What Tomsmith has proposed (And I always Post good quality posts) is for say atrial period of that at all Noothern Ireland games that Ireland call be played .
It needs to be something netural toentice the Noothern brethern to come / or to play our games
If you take for say 12th weekend it would be lovely to invite a Flute or pipe band in from a non Gaa area to play afew tunes,
In my opinion its a great suggestion" I don't accept those "English" terms, Northern and Southern Ireland. I'm from the West of Ireland not Southern Ireland. Are you suggesting that Donegal, the most northerly county in Ireland is in southern Ireland? Is history or geography not taught in school anymore?
I'm all for inclusion but it has to be both ways. I don't see any effort from the largest unionist party to be anyway but exclusive, divisive and belligerently anti-gaelic.
There is great work done by Linda Ervine, a language rights activist from East Belfast. She is an Irish speaker and supporter of the language and is the project leader of the "Turas" Irish language project which aims to connect people from Protestant communities to their own history with the Irish language. I have great respect and regard for her and her community. That is where real change will happen, real action from the ground up.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 05/12/2023 23:59:38
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Replying To tomsmith: "Baire as Co Galliagh
Ta sin aonta deas
But it does nothing for inclusion.
Lets face it after then Treaty we had Nothern Ireland and Southern Ireland .
What Tomsmith has proposed (And I always Post good quality posts) is for say atrial period of that at all Noothern Ireland games that Ireland call be played .
It needs to be something netural toentice the Noothern brethern to come / or to play our games
If you take for say 12th weekend it would be lovely to invite a Flute or pipe band in from a non Gaa area to play afew tunes,
In my opinion its a great suggestion" Why? why would anyone want an organsiation membership from a group that detests the GAA? Ireland's Call!!!
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4942 - 06/12/2023 00:50:23
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Replying To baire: "I don't accept those "English" terms, Northern and Southern Ireland. I'm from the West of Ireland not Southern Ireland. Are you suggesting that Donegal, the most northerly county in Ireland is in southern Ireland? Is history or geography not taught in school anymore?
I'm all for inclusion but it has to be both ways. I don't see any effort from the largest unionist party to be anyway but exclusive, divisive and belligerently anti-gaelic.
There is great work done by Linda Ervine, a language rights activist from East Belfast. She is an Irish speaker and supporter of the language and is the project leader of the "Turas" Irish language project which aims to connect people from Protestant communities to their own history with the Irish language. I have great respect and regard for her and her community. That is where real change will happen, real action from the ground up." What's mad about that is most of the "planters" came from Scotland. Scottish and Irish are the 2 closest gaelic languages.
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Replying To Viking66: "What's mad about that is most of the "planters" came from Scotland. Scottish and Irish are the 2 closest gaelic languages." They were mostly low lands Scots. Very very few Gaels.
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "They were mostly low lands Scots. Very very few Gaels." Alot of Macs all the same.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 06/12/2023 17:17:52
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Replying To tomsmith: "Baire as Co Galliagh
Ta sin aonta deas
But it does nothing for inclusion.
Lets face it after then Treaty we had Nothern Ireland and Southern Ireland .
What Tomsmith has proposed (And I always Post good quality posts) is for say atrial period of that at all Noothern Ireland games that Ireland call be played .
It needs to be something netural toentice the Noothern brethern to come / or to play our games
If you take for say 12th weekend it would be lovely to invite a Flute or pipe band in from a non Gaa area to play afew tunes,
In my opinion its a great suggestion" No one on this forum is disputing that you post good quality posts Tomsmith
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 06/12/2023 18:58:25
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Replying To tomsmith: "No other countries are so obsessed with watering down their identity to accommodate people who for the most part have no interest in any part of it. And not just talking about the unionist population.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 17/10/2023 12:42
Barney Tomsmith here from the Home of Ulster football ie Cavan
Barney of 2007 posts you make good sense most of the time but I am afraid you are stuck in a rut this time.
Barney we are in changing time and we are under attack from sevaeral sports for the services of our young people.
We have to be attractive to all shades of our community.
If you take the position in Belfast would it not be lovely to have Shankhill Road Gaels play Ardoyne in a Gaa game . Sure that is what sports is all about.
It is well worth considering when you see the venom that the Irish supporters belted out Irelands call in Paris before the Rugby game.
Everyone was so so proud to sing every word of it, you could hear a pin drop .
I say give it a try for a few years" Is it two Ulster titles in 54 Seasons??. Living on old glories Tom.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 06/12/2023 20:33:16
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Replying To Viking66: "Alot of Macs all the same." Not really. MacSweeneys and others were part of Gaelic interchange in Ulster before the plantation.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3136 - 07/12/2023 09:08:13
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Replying To Galway9801: "No one on this forum is disputing that you post good quality posts Tomsmith" You must mean bad.
One of wost trolls on here
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Replying To tomsmith: "No other countries are so obsessed with watering down their identity to accommodate people who for the most part have no interest in any part of it. And not just talking about the unionist population.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 17/10/2023 12:42
Barney Tomsmith here from the Home of Ulster football ie Cavan
Barney of 2007 posts you make good sense most of the time but I am afraid you are stuck in a rut this time.
Barney we are in changing time and we are under attack from sevaeral sports for the services of our young people.
We have to be attractive to all shades of our community.
If you take the position in Belfast would it not be lovely to have Shankhill Road Gaels play Ardoyne in a Gaa game . Sure that is what sports is all about.
It is well worth considering when you see the venom that the Irish supporters belted out Irelands call in Paris before the Rugby game.
Everyone was so so proud to sing every word of it, you could hear a pin drop .
I say give it a try for a few years" Yeah, it's amazing when thousands of people sing so loud you can hear a pin drop......
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Not really. MacSweeneys and others were part of Gaelic interchange in Ulster before the plantation." "Presbyterians and the Irish Language, originally published in 1996, is the first to establish the rightful place of the Irish language in the Presbyterian heritage in Ireland. It traces the Presbyterian Irish-speaking tradition from its early roots in Gaelic Scotland through the Plantation and Williamite War periods to its successive revivals in the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
There are biographies of influential Irish-speaking Presbyterians, clerical and lay, whose love of the language helped to ensure its survival. The author contends that the origins of the Gaelic League are as likely to be found in Presbyterian Belfast as in Catholic Dublin. At a time when the Irish language was losing ground to a combination of forces, it was Presbyterians who were to the fore in saving valuable manuscripts, in teaching through the language and in publishing works in Irish. The result is an absorbing account of an integral but little-known strand in the fabric of Presbyterianism. It adds significantly to the mutual understanding between the main traditions on our island and provides evidence for the view that we share more than divides us."
You won't hear the DUP quoting any of this!
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Replying To baire: ""Presbyterians and the Irish Language, originally published in 1996, is the first to establish the rightful place of the Irish language in the Presbyterian heritage in Ireland. It traces the Presbyterian Irish-speaking tradition from its early roots in Gaelic Scotland through the Plantation and Williamite War periods to its successive revivals in the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
There are biographies of influential Irish-speaking Presbyterians, clerical and lay, whose love of the language helped to ensure its survival. The author contends that the origins of the Gaelic League are as likely to be found in Presbyterian Belfast as in Catholic Dublin. At a time when the Irish language was losing ground to a combination of forces, it was Presbyterians who were to the fore in saving valuable manuscripts, in teaching through the language and in publishing works in Irish. The result is an absorbing account of an integral but little-known strand in the fabric of Presbyterianism. It adds significantly to the mutual understanding between the main traditions on our island and provides evidence for the view that we share more than divides us."
You won't hear the DUP quoting any of this!" Thug Breandán Ó Buachalla léiriú roimhe sin ar ról na bPreispitéireach i gcothú na teanga agus an chultúir ina leabhar "I mBéal Feirste Cois Cuain", 1968.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 07/12/2023 12:04:55
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Replying To streaker: "Yeah, it's amazing when thousands of people sing so loud you can hear a pin drop......" The only team in the WC who never played their National Anthem. Not the other dirge.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 07/12/2023 13:45:07
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Replying To baire: ""Presbyterians and the Irish Language, originally published in 1996, is the first to establish the rightful place of the Irish language in the Presbyterian heritage in Ireland. It traces the Presbyterian Irish-speaking tradition from its early roots in Gaelic Scotland through the Plantation and Williamite War periods to its successive revivals in the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
There are biographies of influential Irish-speaking Presbyterians, clerical and lay, whose love of the language helped to ensure its survival. The author contends that the origins of the Gaelic League are as likely to be found in Presbyterian Belfast as in Catholic Dublin. At a time when the Irish language was losing ground to a combination of forces, it was Presbyterians who were to the fore in saving valuable manuscripts, in teaching through the language and in publishing works in Irish. The result is an absorbing account of an integral but little-known strand in the fabric of Presbyterianism. It adds significantly to the mutual understanding between the main traditions on our island and provides evidence for the view that we share more than divides us."
You won't hear the DUP quoting any of this!" But they should be Baire!
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Replying To baire: "Thug Breandán Ó Buachalla léiriú roimhe sin ar ról na bPreispitéireach i gcothú na teanga agus an chultúir ina leabhar "I mBéal Feirste Cois Cuain", 1968." Agus bhí sé ag caint faoi mionlach an-bheag. Ní raibh aon Gaeilige ag aon duine i ceannsaíocht na hÉA, ach b'feidir Russell an duine amháin, -agus ní raibh ach mionlach Protasúnaigh mar de hÍde gniomhnach i gConradh
Finscéal eile.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3136 - 07/12/2023 15:07:42
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Playing Irelands call would encourage me into (long overdue) retirement
The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 735 - 07/12/2023 15:12:12
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Replying To The_DOC: "Playing Irelands call would encourage me into (long overdue) retirement" Yep. As I said previously, it would encourage me to go for my pre-match cigarette and **** a lot later than before...
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